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Stork: "There needs to be a Players Council." - Page 22
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
AND DONT QUOTE ME SAYING EVERY BIG COMPANY IS ALL ABOUT MONEY ! | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:07 Veldril wrote: What? Where did I say KesPa does not train their players? I wrote that "... how KesPa abuse their players (training, etc)". That's mean one thing that KesPa abuses their players is how they make them train too hard without considering their physical and mental health. If you are going to say that "KesPa doesn't involve in players' trainings" then that's understandable that I don't know about it. Hmm you shouldn't be blaming kespa rather it is the way system works for players who just started to join the B team for example in Action case according to him “I couldn’t eat meals properly. Because, I was a practice partner without a salary. I think some days I ate ramen the entire day. But I did not struggle because of food. Because during time, playing the game was so enjoyable” . Some times becoming a pro gamer isn't about the money rather it's the passion inside you that drives you to play the game . B teamers are usually not treated as well as A teamers and that's why most of them want to break out from that environment to play on tv . Eating ramen and not getting paid was taken from ------------> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331217 | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:21 Sawamura wrote: Hmm you shouldn't be blaming kespa rather it is the way system works for players who just started to join the B team for example in Action case according to him “I couldn’t eat meals properly. Because, I was a practice partner without a salary. I think some days I ate ramen the entire day. But I did not struggle because of food. Because during time, playing the game was so enjoyable” . Some times becoming a pro gamer isn't about the money rather it's the passion inside you that drives you to play the game . B teamers are usually not treated as well as A teamers and that's why most of them want to break out from that environment to play on tv . Eating ramen and not getting paid was taken from ------------> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331217 I don't care if he enjoyed it, those are abusive and unfair conditions. Players like Flash make 6 figures. The practice partners should be able to eat food On May 25 2012 00:53 blamous wrote: Why don't the players just DO it... form their own advisory council, get all the prominent players to join up, both Korean and Foreign, and make their conditions known. And if Kespa wont get on board, you DON'T PLAY, and be absolutely firm in that. THAT is the risk (and it is certainly a risk) that needs to be taken and held fast to for change to take place. There is no Proleague/GSL/MLG/IPL/etc/etc without the PLAYERS. And not just any players... without the best players no one will watch. We have all proven that... There's no shortage of practice partners eating Ramen looking to replace Stats and Action, and players like Flash are treated well. The switch gives good players the chance to threaten going to a GOM team, but the only players who'd be missed are the ones who have the least reason to complain. | ||
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Ryo
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:18 xsnac wrote: what a monster is kespa .. only care about money .... poor players .. AND DONT QUOTE ME SAYING EVERY BIG COMPANY IS ALL ABOUT MONEY ! Oddly enough, it's actually the opposite. IF Kespa truly cared about money, they'd think a bit more about the players. We're not talking about Foxconn or some other 3rd world factories where workers are dime a dozen. These are players being put on TV and selling them to an audience. And Kespa's existence depends on these players looking like stars in front of said audiences. Even huge faceless corporations give employees benefits and other things to keep up morale so they become more productive. If anything, worker productivity has always been key in company success. This is even more important if the company tries to sell its employees as products. So why won't Kespa consult the most important assets they have? To me, this smells like failed management rather than greedy corporations. The situation needs to be win-win. The players make the smoothest, transition, happy to play the new game, and start pwning in SC2 and make Kespa lots and lots of money. If the players all get depressed and start retiring, then Kespa is not going to be able to compete against the current SC2 scene and hoarde the foreign money they so desperately seek. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:56 baubo wrote: Oddly enough, it's actually the opposite. IF Kespa truly cared about money, they'd think a bit more about the players. We're not talking about Foxconn or some other 3rd world factories where workers are dime a dozen. These are players being put on TV and selling them to an audience. And Kespa's existence depends on these players looking like stars in front of said audiences. Even huge faceless corporations give employees benefits and other things to keep up morale so they become more productive. If anything, worker productivity has always been key in company success. This is even more important if the company tries to sell its employees as products. So why won't Kespa consult the most important assets they have? To me, this smells like failed management rather than greedy corporations. The situation needs to be win-win. The players make the smoothest, transition, happy to play the new game, and start pwning in SC2 and make Kespa lots and lots of money. If the players all get depressed and start retiring, then Kespa is not going to be able to compete against the current SC2 scene and hoarde the foreign money they so desperately seek. Yup, at the end of the day, it's just incompetence. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
even the financial analogy was stupid. as far as i know most of the current rich top finance people bust their ass so much that they don't even have time to enjoy their money because they're always working. owners should have complete control because they know what's best? give me a break. what is this, the 1900's? | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
much love to stork for taking up the mantle of standing up for players when boxer took his expertise to sc2. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:16 kainzero wrote: the comments from FXO are wildly unrelated and therefore, stupid. all Stork was talking about was having a players committee to express grievances. there was nothing where he mentioned sweatshop conditions or that he was whining because he didn't get what he wanted. even the financial analogy was stupid. as far as i know most of the current rich top finance people bust their ass so much that they don't even have time to enjoy their money because they're always working. owners should have complete control because they know what's best? give me a break. what is this, the 1900's? Considering that he own FXOpen (http://www.fxopen.com) or at least is a higher up in management, I would say he has a lot experience in finance  But yeah, it's not totally related to the interview. I guess he just wanted to use the interview to demonstrate his point (not ok with how KesPa treat their players in general but understand why sometimes they chose to do what they do). | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On May 23 2012 07:10 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I think I just became a Stork fan.... never thought I would say that. I think I did too..... never thought I would quote that and agree. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339912#13 | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 25 2012 05:49 Veldril wrote: Good news for Stork fans. He will be at MLG Anaheim on June 8-10th. Detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339912#13 Clearly, someone needs to ask him off the record for his opinions. And give him a copy of Brood War as a gift Man, I so want to find a BW strategy guide, drive out to Anaheim, and give it to Stork as a troll gift. | ||
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rift
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On May 25 2012 05:49 Veldril wrote: Good news for Stork fans. He will be at MLG Anaheim on June 8-10th. Detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339912#13 Why is this good news? lol | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
At least you get to meet him, tell how much you appreciate his work and cheer him on whether what he decides to do in a future? Or isn't a good news for a fan to meet his idol? | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
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Brobe
United States75 Posts
He always wins silver because he was born with a heart of gold | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6230 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:16 kainzero wrote: the comments from FXO are wildly unrelated and therefore, stupid. all Stork was talking about was having a players committee to express grievances. there was nothing where he mentioned sweatshop conditions or that he was whining because he didn't get what he wanted. even the financial analogy was stupid. as far as i know most of the current rich top finance people bust their ass so much that they don't even have time to enjoy their money because they're always working. owners should have complete control because they know what's best? give me a break. what is this, the 1900's? Didn't bisu say he didn't even have time for a gf in an interview? That's pretty sad really when you work so much you can't even get a gf.... | ||
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