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Naoned
Profile Joined April 2011
France19 Posts
March 12 2012 19:03 GMT
#141
Well, I only need an average price, how much were the last finals ?
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
March 12 2012 19:06 GMT
#142
SKT gogogog
Liquid | SKT
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 12 2012 19:30 GMT
#143
WoOooooooOOOOo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1d9jHEeudM&list=FLNZl_usdoJ_-yatKL23Wdiw&index=1&feature=plpp_video
KTY
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3397 Posts
March 12 2012 20:08 GMT
#144
Are KT and CJ locked in 3rd/4th right now? Or can Woongjin take one of those spots?
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
March 12 2012 20:09 GMT
#145
On March 13 2012 05:08 Gescom wrote:
Are KT and CJ locked in 3rd/4th right now? Or can Woongjin take one of those spots?


if cj loses to ace, stars are in.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
March 12 2012 20:21 GMT
#146
I hope the weather is nice enough for them to use the beach again, that was the best pro league finals location I have seen to date.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
lisherwin
Profile Joined June 2009
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 20:29:07
March 12 2012 20:28 GMT
#147
Bo7 with ace match cannot help KT and probably hurts them ... not sure why people think otherwise.
bo5 without ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to win
bo7 with ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to be able to play Flash (which is somewhat a guaranteed win but this means that bo5 without ace match and bo7 with ace match are at best equivalent for KT)
#1 fanboy of Sayle, the hero of Broodwar! Sayle Hwaitiiing!!
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
March 12 2012 23:35 GMT
#148
On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?

No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.

This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
Writer:o
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
March 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#149
On March 13 2012 08:35 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?

No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.

This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^

Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now.
ppp
KT s0ng
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)88 Posts
March 13 2012 15:39 GMT
#150
My sister is flying to Korea that weekend. Sorry sis, Starcrafts is happening.
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
March 13 2012 15:52 GMT
#151
WOOOOOOOOT ! this is good :D
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
interestingman222
Profile Joined March 2012
3 Posts
March 15 2012 07:23 GMT
#152
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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
March 15 2012 08:37 GMT
#153
On March 09 2012 15:41 alypse wrote:
SKT for the third consecutive silver gogogo.


That will be an epic award!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
March 15 2012 08:51 GMT
#154
Have they shortened the seasons?
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
March 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#155
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:
ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans



Not true. Any time we can watch Flash play it's a good time. We just don't always want him to win.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 09:10:54
March 15 2012 09:07 GMT
#156
On March 15 2012 17:51 Demand2k wrote:
Have they shortened the seasons?


Yes. Only 3 rounds and 8 teams.

On March 13 2012 09:47 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 08:35 Kiett wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?

No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.

This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^

Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now.


Rofl, I'm living in Shanghai and was so disappointed not to see the finals last season... I've just booked my flight to Busan, they'd better not try to make it happen in Shanghai again :|


edit : nvm, Ryo just updated us : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320896
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
March 15 2012 09:31 GMT
#157
On March 13 2012 02:41 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 02:26 Simplistik wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:13 HopLight wrote:
On March 12 2012 04:24 Simplistik wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:
ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans

The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.


I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.

I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.


I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:

On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote:
I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...

Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.

This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.

In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:

1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others
2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win
3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon
4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results


So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made?

Ok, let me break it down:

KT vs SKT1

KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu)
KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun)
However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2)

What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)


I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3)

To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess".
Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats.
Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs.

What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz.

If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 15 2012 09:36 GMT
#158
Guys. Flash is not an automatic win. Seriously, this is the play-offs. The team with the best snipers (Khan) is playing.

GOGOGOKHAN
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 15 2012 09:55 GMT
#159
On March 15 2012 18:31 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 02:41 HopLight wrote:
On March 13 2012 02:26 Simplistik wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:13 HopLight wrote:
On March 12 2012 04:24 Simplistik wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:
ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans

The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.


I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.

I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.


I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:

On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote:
I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...

Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.

This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.

In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:

1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others
2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win
3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon
4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results


So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made?

Ok, let me break it down:

KT vs SKT1

KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu)
KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun)
However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2)

What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)


I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3)

To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess".
Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats.
Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs.

What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz.

If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.

Stats and Flash both have a winning record over Bisu and Fantasy, Crazy-hydra has the best % record of the proleague

What will decide the finals is not wether stats bisu flash and fantasy will perform, they will be at their best as they allways have they are THAT kind of players and historically those 4 have allways played their best in playoffs (even when stats was 0-2'd by bogus last playoff).
What, however, is interesting is:
Do, Action, Sun, Hoejja, Best, Crazy-hydra, Mind and Soo perform to their best?
All players have the potential to be awesome, factors like
Does action dodge SKT zergs? Does Crazy-hydra keep up his form? Does Soo get a protoss? Does Best go into a form where he can hope to threaten flash again? I could keep going on.

And Stats is as relieable of a ACE on outlier as Bisu is, mind you.
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