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sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#81
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol

It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
jeffvip
Profile Joined June 2011
211 Posts
January 02 2012 11:21 GMT
#82
GO BW go! Flash to dominate again!
Marine is Terran strongest unit but it might be Terran's biggest weakness. Bcos of Marine so OP, other Terran unit regrettably have to be weak..
nodnod
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand172 Posts
January 02 2012 11:46 GMT
#83
kudos for taking the time to write this article, it's a good read.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:00:52
January 02 2012 11:57 GMT
#84
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 02 2012 12:29 GMT
#85
Thanks for the article have a great year !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
January 02 2012 13:17 GMT
#86
I'm sad. Not enough EffOrt in your article.
But the Legend of the fall made up for the series of bad news. (Ummm, not really...)

Thank you for all BW fans like you who devoted their time to serve the community!

2012 will be a better year for BW!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
January 02 2012 16:13 GMT
#87
this is the first time that i really feel that the bw community is really like the underdog in tl, seeing the sc2 reviews makes me sad, but whatever, ill be loyal to bw till the end (:, great writeup ! always nice to read something bw-related, the jangbi's osl really made me very very happy ^^ now ill keep organizing the vods of the current pl in my hdd xd
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
January 02 2012 17:20 GMT
#88
Wow, you put a lot off effort into this. Very nice. Thanks!
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#89
Great read for someone who didn't follow as closely as they would have liked to.
Filled in a lot of facts about things I had only heard of and reminded me of a few things I told myself I wanted to search.
Thanks for all the time you put into this.

Cheering for Bisu in 2012!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#90
BW4LYFE!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
January 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#91
Great write-up. Sad, but still.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#92
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
[quote]
Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1790 Posts
January 02 2012 18:34 GMT
#93
sorry for the stupid question, but can any1 tell me which event the very first picture is from again and what the amount of attandees was? I cannot remember hence not find anything about it right now;/
LML
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#94
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
[quote]

lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.
Stork[gm]
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
January 02 2012 21:26 GMT
#95
When could you even say there was a large influx of new players anyway... it's always been like this honestly. The level of skill required for regular A-team play is massive; a lot of players peak below the level and never even make it out of B-team. The disbanded teams hurt somewhat but there's still players making it through; Dear, Shy, Wooki, Where, Perfective... then you had a generation before that roughly including Reality, TurN, Brave, Grape, Ssak, Classic, By.Sun.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 02 2012 21:32 GMT
#96
That KT video was so, so, so good.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
January 02 2012 23:31 GMT
#97
On January 03 2012 06:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
That KT video was so, so, so good.

I watched it at least three times in a row :D
BW
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
January 03 2012 00:09 GMT
#98
On January 03 2012 04:19 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
[quote]

you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.

I think everyone has seen Best and Jaedong (2010) and Bisu try to macro against him. I think everyone has seen how they consistently get overrun by him.
Look at effort vs Flash G2 and Flash vs Hydra: both of them got 3 base before pool and still lost.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#99
Great write up
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
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Last Edited: 2012-01-03 00:24:55
January 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#100
On January 03 2012 04:19 bgx wrote:
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On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
[quote]

you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.


Exactly my point. Take a look at his game vs Light for example. I do not know if it's earhax but Flash have been starsensing almost every cheese the other players throw at him like it is some sort of normal.


On January 03 2012 03:34 LML wrote:
sorry for the stupid question, but can any1 tell me which event the very first picture is from again and what the amount of attandees was? I cannot remember hence not find anything about it right now;/


I think it was taken from an interview. BBC I think. I could be wrong.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
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