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TheOdMan
Profile Joined March 2003
Sweden238 Posts
July 22 2005 14:56 GMT
#101
o m g... haha man I acually had shivers down my spine, Imagine to be in the crowd when that happends.. jeez
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28923 Posts
July 22 2005 16:10 GMT
#102
sfydjklm if you're referring to nal_ra's recall+hallusination then I gotta say I felt that should have been common sense too.

but I guess I'd gain more from watching bw if my impressometer wasn't tuned so highly
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
July 22 2005 20:17 GMT
#103
On July 22 2005 21:32 k3fka wrote:
it was chojjas fault going so many revourers , he shoulda gone hardcore hydra instead considering he had queens for the high temps.

-_-~

DA + Sair > queen.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-22 20:22:13
July 22 2005 20:21 GMT
#104
On July 22 2005 16:16 Mouriner wrote:
Why col_ra will get banned??

He re-created a topic which rekrul locked ., Only a two day ban.

Anyhow, I DON'T think he should have been banned at all because he was only re-creating it because - I think - he thought his first one got closed because he was editing it (he edited in the video link but it was completely empty for a while), so he made a second one to set it right ;O That's what I think at least.
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
July 22 2005 21:47 GMT
#105
On July 23 2005 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
sfydjklm if you're referring to nal_ra's recall+hallusination then I gotta say I felt that should have been common sense too.

but I guess I'd gain more from watching bw if my impressometer wasn't tuned so highly


bah... common sense....... nobody really had a clue wtf he was doing with those arbs when he knew goodfriend had defense for it. Common sense would have been to think of hallucination as some idiotic spell that never works and changed strategy....but he didn't.

And since when is it so common sense to get like 4+ dark archons =o, even in that situation.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28923 Posts
July 22 2005 21:53 GMT
#106
I'm not saying it *is* common sense, I'm saying among progamers, it should be. everyone who plays brood war for a living should be damn well aware of the fact that maelstrom seriously rapes the shit out of mass zerg air. they should also know that hallusination allows you to get through turret walls.

guess I couldve phrased myself better earlier on tho
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
July 22 2005 21:56 GMT
#107
i think they know that, but is hard to avoid~
if he dont do devourers??
would die anyway~
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 22 2005 22:45 GMT
#108
Regardless of the debate about how innovative (or not) the move was, it undenyable that his execution was incredible.

I have a question though. Was that 4 maels or 8? They all happened simultaneously so I couldn't follow it. And how did those devs at the bottom get caught? Weren't they too far away from his closest DA?

Seriously, I couldn't believe it happened. It seemed like he had magical DAs or something. Eri, somebody, explain to me how the fuck that happened because I've watched the clip 100 times now and I can't figure out the mechanics of how he pulled that off.
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Spegel
Profile Joined February 2005
Sweden96 Posts
July 22 2005 22:48 GMT
#109
Thats Reach's spellcasting for you!!
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
July 22 2005 23:31 GMT
#110
--- Nuked ---
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
July 23 2005 00:32 GMT
#111
Maelstrom is only really usefull for 2 things. Ultralisk and HUGE amounts of Zerg Air. I have a 2v2 replay were one of my opponents go pure muta, so I add 3 DA's to my army.
Due to the fact that I suck, we still lost (8 k minerals in the bank... Who said macro?) !

I will upload on request.. (if I can figure out how)

Awesome move by Reach anyhow! Someone should go seed those vod... We're all stuck at 395 mb.

Regds

Hans-Titan
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RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
July 23 2005 02:43 GMT
#112
go to yaoyuan.com it may be .rm but the quality is pretty good and it downloads fast
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
July 23 2005 05:08 GMT
#113
On July 23 2005 07:45 ManaBlue wrote:
Regardless of the debate about how innovative (or not) the move was, it undenyable that his execution was incredible.


I deny that. It was a standard clone, nothing incredible here.

The thing that makes me hard to find this impressive is that they didn't have anything else to be doing. Impressive plays are impressive because somewhere in the middle of macroing their base and controlling all their units, someone finds time to do an impressive micro move.

This was like playing MicroWars. ChoJJa can't kill Reach's base, and vice versa, so they end up just looking directly at their units. This is why I don't find this impressive. ChoJJa should have been babying those Devourers like none other, instead of leaving them at a major intersection of the map.

Then, Reach has about 2 full seconds to cast 3 Maelstroms. That's not that difficult to do. It's also not hard to figure out that Maelstrom is going to be the most effective spell to cast on those - you're not going to cast Psi and you're not going to try to surrounds them with Archons or something.

The move was cool to watch. I would say Reach was behind the entire game and ended up winning with that single move. However, when you look that:
1. ChoJJa was retarded for letting this situtation exist.
2. Reach had nothing else to do but micro his ~20 units.
3. Reach had Dark Archons because ChoJJa was pure air.
4. He cloned 3 Dark Archons in 2 seconds.

It's really not THAT impressive.
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HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
July 23 2005 05:14 GMT
#114
On July 23 2005 14:08 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2005 07:45 ManaBlue wrote:
Regardless of the debate about how innovative (or not) the move was, it undenyable that his execution was incredible.


I deny that. It was a standard clone, nothing incredible here.

The thing that makes me hard to find this impressive is that they didn't have anything else to be doing. Impressive plays are impressive because somewhere in the middle of macroing their base and controlling all their units, someone finds time to do an impressive micro move.

This was like playing MicroWars. ChoJJa can't kill Reach's base, and vice versa, so they end up just looking directly at their units. This is why I don't find this impressive. ChoJJa should have been babying those Devourers like none other, instead of leaving them at a major intersection of the map.

Then, Reach has about 2 full seconds to cast 3 Maelstroms. That's not that difficult to do. It's also not hard to figure out that Maelstrom is going to be the most effective spell to cast on those - you're not going to cast Psi and you're not going to try to surrounds them with Archons or something.

The move was cool to watch. I would say Reach was behind the entire game and ended up winning with that single move. However, when you look that:
1. ChoJJa was retarded for letting this situtation exist.
2. Reach had nothing else to do but micro his ~20 units.
3. Reach had Dark Archons because ChoJJa was pure air.
4. He cloned 3 Dark Archons in 2 seconds.

It's really not THAT impressive.


Agreed
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r3dox
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Germany261 Posts
July 23 2005 06:54 GMT
#115
why did chojja not get in drones for his defense in the last game? he saw a lot of probes coming along with the lots....

i think he lost on purpose.. :D
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
July 23 2005 07:41 GMT
#116
We're all stuck at 395 mb.

no we are not
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 23 2005 08:36 GMT
#117
Personally, I enjoyed it because it was such a rare thing to see in a televised game. In fact the entire game was a rarity simply because it lasted so long.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
July 23 2005 15:17 GMT
#118
On July 22 2005 07:35 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
It's not the creativity that made this move so awesome, it's the execution. Pretty much like Nal_Ras recall against goodfriend. I think the best part is when the last maelstrom gets the fleeing devourers that you didnt even know were there before the observer scrolled down



I agree with this post in its entirety. I've seen dozens and dozens of last second heroics and highlight reel plays in professional sports my entire life (football, baseball, basketball, etc.). I still enjoy watching such dramatics unfold.

Same deal with SC. Nothing in this game can truly be called "surprising" or "creative" anymore. This game has been played and studied to death. But it's all in the execution. Ra's Arbiter Reloaded move and Reach's Mudang Maelstrom are, for me, the two single greatest moments I've seen in professional gaming (and I've seen quite a few).

I think taking a "ho-hum-been-there-done-that-seen-it-before" approach to either of these moments because they were not "creative" enough misses the point (this means you Eri + Nazgul).
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 23 2005 15:23 GMT
#119
Like drone sais, it's a pretty obvious move to make, and reach did it before, and had DA's most of the game, but it's still art when he succeded doing it on all of those devs. Really looked cool.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
July 23 2005 17:07 GMT
#120
On July 23 2005 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
but I guess I'd gain more from watching bw if my impressometer wasn't tuned so highly


That's because you're just too cool for school yo~
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