Hacker still playing on WGT? - Page 7

On June 29 2005 23:05 SW)HellBoY wrote:
Revolve I come from a country where a criminal, even if guilty, is entitled to a defence. I explained why I had the program. After a while it became clear the admins and the community weren't buying it(I don't blame them) so my defence strategy had to change. It then became a matter of even if I indeed used the maphack, I never did on WGTour, ever. That is something you admins can prove and agree with me since my clean history of BWS loggs during my ladder games and Nation War events prove it. I encourage anyone to examine any existing WGTour ladder or NationWar/ClanWar replay of mine for physical or non-physical but seemingly obvious evidence of maphack. I guarantee and can bet everything I'm worth for that they will never find anything. All my games are 100% clean. While I understand WGTour policy, I question if it should apply for an offence that never actually took place on WGTour itself. Long ago it was understandable that if someone was caught maphacking anywhere they'd be banned on WGTour since there was no 100% anti-hack and who was to say they weren't doing the same on WGTour. However, now there is. With the mandatory and unescapable use of BWS(since it is incorporated into the bot) there shouldn't be any worry should there?

Its pretty silly that this topic has evolved into an issue that is so old and has me so fed up since its been discussed on WGTour forums dozens of times. Those of you still crying about the SW)28 deal, get over it. I'm not him. I know who it is and actually more than one person has played on it.

On June 29 2005 22:39 littlechava wrote:
What if someone does the same thing as him, except admits+apologizes for it straight out?

On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.

On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.

On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.