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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 29 2005 12:26 GMT
#121
WE ALL LOVE THE E-DRAMA
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Faith
Profile Joined March 2004
Norway88 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-29 13:12:38
June 29 2005 12:56 GMT
#122
Idiots!
Noobish legend!
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-29 13:02:08
June 29 2005 13:01 GMT
#123
nm, you're not even worth insulting.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7216 Posts
June 29 2005 13:07 GMT
#124
I know it's stupid that people still get banned for hacking on bwscanner, you'd have to be pretty stupid to run a hack with it on etc. but if there was a surefire way to see if they are/aren't still hacking I don't see why they could get a second chance. Like the thread creator said, these guys weren't hacking when they were at the cafe, honestly I could careless if I was playing a ladder game with a guy who was banned for hacking in the past if he wasn't still hacking. Those examples of rapists or murderers going back into society with the excuse that they aren't still raping/murdering are retarded, since they're completely different situations.
P.S. Faith quit making irrelevant posts, nobody cares.
Entusman #12
()utlaW...
Profile Joined June 2005
United States7 Posts
June 29 2005 13:14 GMT
#125
If only it was as simple to say...i'm sorry. I believe hellboy said on WGT forums that he apologized for doing what he did (few days back). Each should be given a second shot..and I would say the same for anyone of you if you were caught cheating (after a period of punishment). The reason why people are creating smurfs is because WGT admins completely shoot down anything they have to say..you can see this daily on hellboy threads on WGT.
Ramble On~
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
June 29 2005 13:17 GMT
#126
mmm the old policy was a 3 month penality AFTER apologies -.0

I dont know if it is still being used -.0
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
June 29 2005 13:28 GMT
#127
()utlaw, it's because he flat out denied it over and over again. After I explained a bit about the offsets he said something like, he was using the color function. And later on it became, it wasn't wgt? He kept changing his story, also it was wgt policy, he was caught with maphack offsets and was banned for maphack, end of discussion, doesn't matter how many posts he makes it would get locked or ignored.

Mario, no it is no longer used.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7216 Posts
June 29 2005 13:39 GMT
#128
What if someone does the same thing as him, except admits+apologizes for it straight out?
Entusman #12
SW)HellBoY
Profile Joined October 2004
United States14 Posts
June 29 2005 14:05 GMT
#129
Revolve I come from a country where a criminal, even if guilty, is entitled to a defence. I explained why I had the program. After a while it became clear the admins and the community weren't buying it(I don't blame them) so my defence strategy had to change. It then became a matter of even if I indeed used the maphack, I never did on WGTour, ever. That is something you admins can prove and agree with me since my clean history of BWS loggs during my ladder games and Nation War events prove it. I encourage anyone to examine any existing WGTour ladder or NationWar/ClanWar replay of mine for physical or non-physical but seemingly obvious evidence of maphack. I guarantee and can bet everything I'm worth for that they will never find anything. All my games are 100% clean. While I understand WGTour policy, I question if it should apply for an offence that never actually took place on WGTour itself. Long ago it was understandable that if someone was caught maphacking anywhere they'd be banned on WGTour since there was no 100% anti-hack and who was to say they weren't doing the same on WGTour. However, now there is. With the mandatory and unescapable use of BWS(since it is incorporated into the bot) there shouldn't be any worry should there?

Its pretty silly that this topic has evolved into an issue that is so old and has me so fed up since its been discussed on WGTour forums dozens of times. Those of you still crying about the SW)28 deal, get over it. I'm not him. I know who it is and actually more than one person has played on it.
Suggest you stand barefoot on an iceblock with a noose around your neck. Then think about your newb life while the ice melts.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 29 2005 14:08 GMT
#130
On June 29 2005 23:05 SW)HellBoY wrote:
Revolve I come from a country where a criminal, even if guilty, is entitled to a defence. I explained why I had the program. After a while it became clear the admins and the community weren't buying it(I don't blame them) so my defence strategy had to change. It then became a matter of even if I indeed used the maphack, I never did on WGTour, ever. That is something you admins can prove and agree with me since my clean history of BWS loggs during my ladder games and Nation War events prove it. I encourage anyone to examine any existing WGTour ladder or NationWar/ClanWar replay of mine for physical or non-physical but seemingly obvious evidence of maphack. I guarantee and can bet everything I'm worth for that they will never find anything. All my games are 100% clean. While I understand WGTour policy, I question if it should apply for an offence that never actually took place on WGTour itself. Long ago it was understandable that if someone was caught maphacking anywhere they'd be banned on WGTour since there was no 100% anti-hack and who was to say they weren't doing the same on WGTour. However, now there is. With the mandatory and unescapable use of BWS(since it is incorporated into the bot) there shouldn't be any worry should there?

Its pretty silly that this topic has evolved into an issue that is so old and has me so fed up since its been discussed on WGTour forums dozens of times. Those of you still crying about the SW)28 deal, get over it. I'm not him. I know who it is and actually more than one person has played on it.


Want me to do it? or should i leave to someone else?
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SW)HellBoY
Profile Joined October 2004
United States14 Posts
June 29 2005 14:11 GMT
#131
Sure you may check my replays. You might learn a thing or two.
Suggest you stand barefoot on an iceblock with a noose around your neck. Then think about your newb life while the ice melts.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
June 29 2005 15:22 GMT
#132
On June 29 2005 22:39 littlechava wrote:
What if someone does the same thing as him, except admits+apologizes for it straight out?


He still woulnd't have been unbanned, like I said no one is getting unbanned if there where banned since the start of season 12, but they might have perhaps not been treated so bad.

"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
June 29 2005 15:27 GMT
#133
Hellboy, I understand. But it is WGT Policy, (I know it's outdated, that's why we're working on changing it) you and a few others were unfortunate enough to get stung by it.

It's just changing stories and smurfing doesn't help you out. (If we decide to let some people back after new policy)
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
ronhaak
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada98 Posts
June 29 2005 15:31 GMT
#134
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.
babodak!
Profile Joined March 2005
Greece50 Posts
June 29 2005 15:48 GMT
#135
On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.


*hear hear*
SW)HellBoY
Profile Joined October 2004
United States14 Posts
June 29 2005 16:38 GMT
#136
On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.


One of the few intellectual posts I’ve seen in this whole topic. Its simply too bad that just a few posts before yours, which I’m sure you read, I summarized pretty much why I was actually banned and reminded everyone once again that I am not SW)28, therefore rendering your post nothing but a biased hateful opinion instead of a misinformed one.
Suggest you stand barefoot on an iceblock with a noose around your neck. Then think about your newb life while the ice melts.
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
June 29 2005 16:44 GMT
#137
On June 30 2005 00:31 ronhaak wrote:
For those complaining about the difference between situations, one being a game, the other "real life" are missing the point entirely. It is in the rules, and one will agree to following them, and any attempt to break them willingly and knowingly deserves a life ban. There is no accidental way this can go about. They took the time to download hacks, and use them regardless of what the rules clearly state. That is defiance. We do not play broodwar to give every defiant person a second chance. We play to enjoy ourselves in a community with honost players. Your claims of real life opposed to online are absurd. We are talking in the world of Starcraft, on these forums and on WGT all that matters is starcraft. Here...starcraft is the real world. Thus the Rules governing it should be followed and acted out accordingly. I guarentee that if the 2 players in question hacked against you, your 2nd chance debate would be tossed right out the window.

The other fact was that one of the players in question then proceeded to threaten an individuals safety in his own place of occupation, and followed that up with more online threats and insults. Why would you back such useless scum? These are the people you are willing to give second chances to? How many chances does it take before you click in and realize these sorts of things destroy the game you play. Why are you advocating such behavior? To me, it seems like you are "pro" on the destruction of starcraft, in the fact that you are backing and defending those who are ruining it for the rest of us. Hack once, and thats it. You mess up, you pay for it. This 2nd chance crap is sickening. Rules are meant to be aheared to.


wow u must be real old or like one of those psycothic dudes that everything has to be perfect and doesn't have any tolerance toward others... really scary
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
June 29 2005 20:30 GMT
#138
Hellboy you were banned for life for rigging maps in about 30 of your WGT games in season 5. Wgtour gave you your second chance already, then you go about and use a map hack.

Who do you think you are trying to fool here? "I have a map hack on my computer but I don't use it" This is just from your own word and you expect WGT admins to trust somebody that previously abused the system in the past.

You are the scum of broodwar, and I really hope that you are really banned for life this time!

PrincessLeila
Profile Joined October 2004
France170 Posts
June 29 2005 22:22 GMT
#139
I'm sure few good up-to-date hacks aren't caught by BWS.
And why are people so nice with (ex?)-hackers ?
ronhaak
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada98 Posts
June 29 2005 22:45 GMT
#140
having the guilty party come forth with an explanation on a forum does not render my previous post useless, unless of course by default everything that you type can never be a lie, then in that case.....you are correct. BUT....until that is actually true, I hold in my mind that a haste-filled response from the accused party has little to no meaning without an abundant source of evidence backing you up. Get your evidence, and I will certainly retract my statements.

P.S im not old and evil, I am just appaled and rather upset in a sense that 1)people continue to ruin something many work hard at and enjoy. and 2)People defend such abusers like what they did had some real validation, and they were not wrong for doing it. I dont see how following the rules is something really scary, moreso than it is something really honost.....
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