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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
August 06 2011 09:35 GMT
#241
My guess on the timeline of events.

Chinese gov't decides that the event shouldn't go on (unexpected size of crowd, weather forecast, or some other reason) -> contacts chinese contractors to refund the tickets etc. (initial newsflash about the event being cancelled) -> korean reporters/ogn wasn't quite given the message and continued with event preparation -> seeing this and the weather (only overcast), korean reporters tweeted that the event will definitely happen (sighs of relief at TL) -> ogn/kespa finds out that the chinese gov't is forcing the event to be delayed and cancelled and attempts to convince them otherwise (few minutes of confusion and possible "delays") -> this proves unsuccessful and OGN airs their official announcement of cancellation
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 06 2011 09:36 GMT
#242
On August 06 2011 18:32 Sawamura wrote:
so who are we to blame ? Typhoon ? Weather ? China gov ???? ><


chinese govt wants 0 risk. but koreans dont seem to have a backup plan so they tried to negociate and drag this as long as possible but it seems ot didnt work out. really have no idea of whats going on
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
August 06 2011 09:37 GMT
#243
On August 06 2011 18:34 SkyLegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:24 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:19 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:58 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:52 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:18 hmmm... wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:15 phosphorylation wrote:
wtfff conspiracy of cancellation? who is trying to undermine BW!


possibly the chinese government. they have many reasons for not wanting foreign culture disseminating further in their country and also given the fact how they're against the mass internet/gaming culture in china.

similar to how the chinese government censored a lot of the korean wave

User was warned for this post

Here we go again. Blame the big bad Chinese government for every little thing.

Grow the hell up.

Haha, yea. Like, I know that's true in many cases, but use your brain a bit. Why would they host the tournament only to turn around and cancel it? herpderp.
Why don't you use your brain a bit and think of other potential reasons, such as scheduling conflicts of the rented arena, duration of the typhoon, accommodations for SKT and KT at Shanghai (5-star hotel anyone?) before you take the easy route and point fingers at the gov't. We are talking about 102mph winds that are bound to intensify as it hits the mainland with who knows how many casualties and how much money in damages, not a little light drizzle passing by overnight.

If the CCP wanted to block the Korean Wave, they don't need to bet on a timing of a typhoon to do so. Wake up.

Did you even read my post, or just see that I quoted you and immediately enter Internet Defense Mode?
I read your post well enough to realize you lack any concrete understanding of how China works whatsoever. Keep living in the bubble created by the Western media, buddy.

Well, you might want to read it a third time. I was agreeing with you, and calling the other guy out.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 06 2011 09:38 GMT
#244
Well the pages of pissed off Korean netizen comments are rolling in the Korean communities - Mostly comments going, "Omfg they should have just held it in Korea" and "Lololol epic failllll" etc.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 06 2011 09:38 GMT
#245
On August 06 2011 18:34 SkyLegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:24 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:19 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:58 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:52 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:18 hmmm... wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:15 phosphorylation wrote:
wtfff conspiracy of cancellation? who is trying to undermine BW!


possibly the chinese government. they have many reasons for not wanting foreign culture disseminating further in their country and also given the fact how they're against the mass internet/gaming culture in china.

similar to how the chinese government censored a lot of the korean wave

User was warned for this post

Here we go again. Blame the big bad Chinese government for every little thing.

Grow the hell up.

Haha, yea. Like, I know that's true in many cases, but use your brain a bit. Why would they host the tournament only to turn around and cancel it? herpderp.
Why don't you use your brain a bit and think of other potential reasons, such as scheduling conflicts of the rented arena, duration of the typhoon, accommodations for SKT and KT at Shanghai (5-star hotel anyone?) before you take the easy route and point fingers at the gov't. We are talking about 102mph winds that are bound to intensify as it hits the mainland with who knows how many casualties and how much money in damages, not a little light drizzle passing by overnight.

If the CCP wanted to block the Korean Wave, they don't need to bet on a timing of a typhoon to do so. Wake up.

Did you even read my post, or just see that I quoted you and immediately enter Internet Defense Mode?
I read your post well enough to realize you lack any concrete understanding of how China works whatsoever. Keep living in the bubble created by the Western media, buddy.


He was agreeing with you in his original post. Then he told you to re-read his original post and you still got it wrong. This is very hard to do and I am kind of impressed.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
August 06 2011 09:40 GMT
#246
On August 06 2011 18:38 Spica wrote:
Well the pages of pissed off Korean netizen comments are rolling in the Korean communities - Mostly comments going, "Omfg they should have just held it in Korea" and "Lololol epic failllll" etc.

So, it's an internet forum?
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
August 06 2011 09:41 GMT
#247
This is very bad. Neither side can afford to lose money/time like this. I feel bad for BW

Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 06 2011 09:41 GMT
#248
On August 06 2011 18:40 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:38 Spica wrote:
Well the pages of pissed off Korean netizen comments are rolling in the Korean communities - Mostly comments going, "Omfg they should have just held it in Korea" and "Lololol epic failllll" etc.

So, it's an internet forum?

Why yes. Yes it is.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
August 06 2011 09:43 GMT
#249
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
ranma1202
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Vietnam62 Posts
August 06 2011 09:43 GMT
#250
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Life is a game, and when things dont work out, dont unplug, just reset and restart from last checkpoint.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#251
On August 06 2011 18:36 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:32 Sawamura wrote:
so who are we to blame ? Typhoon ? Weather ? China gov ???? ><


chinese govt wants 0 risk. but koreans dont seem to have a backup plan so they tried to negociate and drag this as long as possible but it seems ot didnt work out. really have no idea of whats going on


Shouldn't they as a government at least introduce some sort of unused hall for the pro league finals to continue after all they ordered the cancellation of the event ? . I felt quite terrible for the organizers who paid for that venue to be held at and yet has to pay all the money despite not being able to show the game .

Seriously who would have expected a typhoon to becoming launching its storms at shanghai today ? Despite earlier warning I don't think it is in kespa budget to hire another stadium just to ensure a plan b .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
SkyLegenD
Profile Joined February 2010
United States304 Posts
August 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#252
On August 06 2011 18:37 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:34 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:24 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:19 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:58 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:52 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:18 hmmm... wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:15 phosphorylation wrote:
wtfff conspiracy of cancellation? who is trying to undermine BW!


possibly the chinese government. they have many reasons for not wanting foreign culture disseminating further in their country and also given the fact how they're against the mass internet/gaming culture in china.

similar to how the chinese government censored a lot of the korean wave

User was warned for this post

Here we go again. Blame the big bad Chinese government for every little thing.

Grow the hell up.

Haha, yea. Like, I know that's true in many cases, but use your brain a bit. Why would they host the tournament only to turn around and cancel it? herpderp.
Why don't you use your brain a bit and think of other potential reasons, such as scheduling conflicts of the rented arena, duration of the typhoon, accommodations for SKT and KT at Shanghai (5-star hotel anyone?) before you take the easy route and point fingers at the gov't. We are talking about 102mph winds that are bound to intensify as it hits the mainland with who knows how many casualties and how much money in damages, not a little light drizzle passing by overnight.

If the CCP wanted to block the Korean Wave, they don't need to bet on a timing of a typhoon to do so. Wake up.

Did you even read my post, or just see that I quoted you and immediately enter Internet Defense Mode?
I read your post well enough to realize you lack any concrete understanding of how China works whatsoever. Keep living in the bubble created by the Western media, buddy.

Well, you might want to read it a third time. I was agreeing with you, and calling the other guy out.
My apologies :3

It's hard to pick up rhetorical questions on the Internet


My guess on the timeline of events.

Chinese gov't decides that the event shouldn't go on (unexpected size of crowd, weather forecast, or some other reason) -> contacts chinese contractors to refund the tickets etc. (initial newsflash about the event being cancelled) -> korean reporters/ogn wasn't quite given the message and continued with event preparation -> seeing this and the weather (only overcast), korean reporters tweeted that the event will definitely happen (sighs of relief at TL) -> ogn/kespa finds out that the chinese gov't is forcing the event to be delayed and cancelled and attempts to convince them otherwise (few minutes of confusion and possible "delays") -> this proves unsuccessful and OGN airs their official announcement of cancellation
Can you tell me when exactly did the Chinese government come into this?
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." - Napoleon Bonaparte
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
August 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#253
I think it's Kespa's fault for not having any contingencies given the obvious scenario of holding a massive outdoor event in the middle of one of the busiest metropolitan areas on the planet during typhoon season.

Like, even if it was a rescheduling, I think they could've and should've handled this a lot better than the frantic yes/no/maybe as we're all scrambling on all fours to figure out what the flying hell is going on.

In other news there's a massive storm here where I'm at as well - seems like the entire planet is pretty pissed tonight.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#254
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

Oh boy, how little you know.... Korean forums are much much worse than sites like TL. They're merciless!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
August 06 2011 09:45 GMT
#255
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD


In real life koreans may have a reputation of being very mannered, korean netizens surprisingly fail to live up to that reputation. I believe the korean 4chan is even worse than our 4chan.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 09:46:32
August 06 2011 09:45 GMT
#256
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

Oh helllllllllzzz no. Korean forums are worse than 4chan.

In fact, the words "forum moderation" probably don't even exist in Korean.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
August 06 2011 09:45 GMT
#257
On August 06 2011 18:44 SkyLegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:37 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:34 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:24 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:19 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:58 Cedstick wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:52 SkyLegenD wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:18 hmmm... wrote:
On August 06 2011 17:15 phosphorylation wrote:
wtfff conspiracy of cancellation? who is trying to undermine BW!


possibly the chinese government. they have many reasons for not wanting foreign culture disseminating further in their country and also given the fact how they're against the mass internet/gaming culture in china.

similar to how the chinese government censored a lot of the korean wave

User was warned for this post

Here we go again. Blame the big bad Chinese government for every little thing.

Grow the hell up.

Haha, yea. Like, I know that's true in many cases, but use your brain a bit. Why would they host the tournament only to turn around and cancel it? herpderp.
Why don't you use your brain a bit and think of other potential reasons, such as scheduling conflicts of the rented arena, duration of the typhoon, accommodations for SKT and KT at Shanghai (5-star hotel anyone?) before you take the easy route and point fingers at the gov't. We are talking about 102mph winds that are bound to intensify as it hits the mainland with who knows how many casualties and how much money in damages, not a little light drizzle passing by overnight.

If the CCP wanted to block the Korean Wave, they don't need to bet on a timing of a typhoon to do so. Wake up.

Did you even read my post, or just see that I quoted you and immediately enter Internet Defense Mode?
I read your post well enough to realize you lack any concrete understanding of how China works whatsoever. Keep living in the bubble created by the Western media, buddy.

Well, you might want to read it a third time. I was agreeing with you, and calling the other guy out.
My apologies :3

It's hard to pick up rhetorical questions on the Internet

Show nested quote +

My guess on the timeline of events.

Chinese gov't decides that the event shouldn't go on (unexpected size of crowd, weather forecast, or some other reason) -> contacts chinese contractors to refund the tickets etc. (initial newsflash about the event being cancelled) -> korean reporters/ogn wasn't quite given the message and continued with event preparation -> seeing this and the weather (only overcast), korean reporters tweeted that the event will definitely happen (sighs of relief at TL) -> ogn/kespa finds out that the chinese gov't is forcing the event to be delayed and cancelled and attempts to convince them otherwise (few minutes of confusion and possible "delays") -> this proves unsuccessful and OGN airs their official announcement of cancellation
Can you tell me when exactly did the Chinese government come into this?

Per official OGN announcements and news from fomos etc.
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hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
August 06 2011 09:46 GMT
#258
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
August 06 2011 09:47 GMT
#259
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they announced the games to be held at a time I can't possibly watch T_T
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 06 2011 09:47 GMT
#260
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
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