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Sweden1368 Posts
yeah and i played 10+ games a day with NTT when he was still playing bw seriously, which he didn't at that time iirc.
Yes, slayer probably was the best non-korean when it was played, but still he only started practicing because he heard about the nordic wcgs (which was announced VERY late).
And it's not like Sven was a walk-over, Sven reached a level of play which matched the best koreans, something i would only say goes for Grrr/Slayer/NTT and PERHAPS saft after Korea conquered bw. However you are right that the koreans created that spot 100% because they wanted Slayer in the tournament.
Apart from the tournament in Copenhagen which probably was the strongest european tournament arranged, saft won the gathering or whatever it was in oslo, split the money for 1st with jesse some year in prague i was on vacation so i missed it but i think you were there? Believe that was the tournament where he played you some very nice TvP's. He also won the championships here in sweden 2001, and that year we probably had 7-8 of Top20 in Europe. That players like Daaman and Kovax didn't even reach the offline finals should show the competitions class.
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I think winning that tournament was more impressive than placing well in all the tourneys elky placed well in. elky was never really close to winning any of them, while slayer was the best player in the world.
it's just more impressive to me.
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Sweden1368 Posts
On February 06 2005 17:35 Breavman wrote:
I don't see how some people can not have Elky at second place. Starleague is the greatest tournament and he did really well for a long period of time. Didn't he even have the record for most wins in a row at some time? I can understand putting someone like Slayer ahead of him if going by talent or skill, but not in accomplishments. One tournament win vs top competition just isn't enough when looking at Elky's record.
Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder? 
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On February 06 2005 17:39 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think winning that tournament was more impressive than placing well in all the tourneys elky placed well in. elky was never really close to winning any of them, while slayer was the best player in the world.
it's just more impressive to me.
100% agreed.
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Starleague is way, way harder than KBK, which is harder than WCG.
Elky qualified for Starleague 5 times in a row, held the record for most consecutive wins - 9/10 wins according to himself, and finished top 4 once. These are MERELY his Starleague results. There is absolutely no way Slayers or ANYONE else's (Grrrr excluded) results come even close to being as impressive as Elky's.
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1 Grrrr...
2 Elky
3 Slayer
4 Nazgul
5 NTT
Maynard, Blackman, Smuft, Saft = great players that could have even pulled out Elky, Nazgul or NTT, but couldn't be able to accomplish with facts the greatness of their play, specially Blackman and I guess almost everyone agrees on this.
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Can someone list what elky has done? I mean, I really don't know of anything other than second in WCG..and everyone seems to think he's super super deserving of second after grrrr.
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oh and btw sorry and I don't want to hurt anyone but...
Fisheye ?? Leggionare ?? Assem ?? Froz ??
geez give me a break you guys, but we're talking about the top 5 foreigners here...
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On February 06 2005 17:40 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2005 17:35 Breavman wrote:
I don't see how some people can not have Elky at second place. Starleague is the greatest tournament and he did really well for a long period of time. Didn't he even have the record for most wins in a row at some time? I can understand putting someone like Slayer ahead of him if going by talent or skill, but not in accomplishments. One tournament win vs top competition just isn't enough when looking at Elky's record. Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder?
Well, if we talk about skill I agree with you. (Or actually I wouldn't know.) But you only reach accomplishments when you are actually there trying.
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you all forget......ME
LOL no, just grrr... smuft elky slayer and testie in no particular order
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On February 06 2005 16:47 k3fka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2005 16:16 TreK[cF] wrote:eVERLAST was the first foreign progamer in korea but he wasnt anything special and couldnt compete at a higherlevel over there and became more of a commentatoryguy and did other various things i think... Skillwise SaFT was one of the best in his time but he didnt get many chances to prove himself but the GAME-Q tournament which was cancelled and in WCG he kind of blew it. Id say sweden was the best gaming nation at one time...-99 or -00 with daaman multi straylight and 5th clan and a little later )Si( nd ~yyr so i could easily place 10 swedes in top 20 world on an early stage and i think daaman could agree on that :p (atleast his personal favourite multifaith). I dont think Elky accomplished much either he was simply not good enough for the koreans altho he got 2nd in wcg once which probably was his greatest performance. Maynard the same he was an awesome gamer but these 2 couldnt compete with the games per day the koreans were doing. Whoever DONT place slayer as 2nd after GRRR is pretty ignorant...slayer was probably the worlds best player when he played ACTIVE and he learned the game fast...as daaman did but im pretty sure everyone agrees that GRRR has had most achevements and also had the coolest playstyle ... so 1. GRRR 2. Slayer other than that we have nobody who has shown themself outside korea that can win on a regular basis vs koreans. So id rather have top 5 cool gamingstyles (of foreigners) ! 1. NTT ( nobody can disagree on that ) 2. Grrr ( the grrr exp was awesome when u saw old mpegs of it on bw.com ) 3. Tsunami ( he could easily win games with units that nobody used and played really different ) 4. Satanik ( satanik is a do or die strategy user very often and has really funny strategies too ) 5. Smuft ( id say smufts canon mannering made me laugh alot of times when watching -.-V ) id say these 5 have a natural talent and creativity that makes broodwar fun too watch....everyone else, including me, are pretty much mainstream and its kinda boring that ppl like us can catch up to these players so fast with alot of games per day or replays per day that talent doesnt mean as much....cause seriously we all know...boxer and yellow are the most "TALENTED" broodwar players ~ trek , elky is 2nd without doubt , ur arrogance is pretty high. he also got 4th in an ongamenet starleague , he won more progamers live than probably grrr himself. He owned hot forever and made him look like a newbie z vs t. and for the idiots that said testie , lets check hes accomplishments: -2nd in wcg canada after like 3000050606932950249509982945 tries -top 16 i think in wcg. (considering there were 4 wcgs before this , there are 40 more players with more accomplishments than him) -Caught hacking various times , and him , like mr trek , denied it to dead till the proves showed it. in contrast Grrr elky Slayer fisheye NTT nazgul and leg (it was roxxor when he owned the entire pantel curichel or something liek that proteam).
why so angry? and why bringing up maphacking stuff? if ppl think testie is top5 ever foreigners let them have that opinion...if ur only "re-argument" is that "hey testie hacked 2 years ago...he cant ever be a top player " then ur wrong...cause this was about skill and accomplishments...and wcg was offline so nobody could have cheated in that...who can blaim testie for losing against a korean in the wcg? : P
also..i didnt say elky was bad or that i was better or saying anyone was better than elky but GRR and SLAYER hence...would make me arrogant...simply saying elky was never the koreanslayer that slayer and GIYOM was .... if u dont agree on that u should go sob some more that sweden won unfair against ur argentinian soccer team.
if u HAVE to make a top5 list (thats like saying u have to make a top 200 iraqian american football ranking) yes then elky definatly goes 3rd in the list....but simply he wasnt good enuff and yes i agree he could sometimes do well but where is the consistancy ? id rather pick legionnaires slaying of a whole proteam all by himself...i think that is more awesome 
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On February 06 2005 17:40 Dealer wrote:Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder?
That's such a cheap shot it's ridiculous. Elky's time came later and this is not about who learned what the fastest. When Elky was ready for it he was beating every foreigner that qualified (including Sven at WCG 2001 who you just put at the level of the best Koreans at that time) for any WCG.
His WCG finishes and Starleague results crush anyone but Grrrr's =[
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Sweden1368 Posts
On February 06 2005 17:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Starleague is way, way harder than KBK, which is harder than WCG.
Elky qualified for Starleague 5 times in a row, held the record for most consecutive wins - 9/10 wins according to himself, and finished top 4 once. These are MERELY his Starleague results. There is absolutely no way Slayers or ANYONE else's (Grrrr excluded) results come even close to being as impressive as Elky's.
In what way? A best of 1 tournament with 115 or so of the top koreans, including players that did VERY well in starleagues (IntoTheRain comes to mind) should be just as hard?
I don't doubt you are right but wouldn't 9-10 straight wins in actual Starleagues be enough to advance, at least to the final?
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1.) Grrrr...
2.) Elky
3.) Slayer
4.) Nazgul
5.) Legionnaire
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btw in my not-so-humble opinion NTT is by far the most overrated bw player of all time. no way does he deserve to be in top 5 of all time list, MAYBE top 50. maybe it was just something about my style vs his but i played him many times in his prime and he never impressed me. he reminds me of hovz more than someone like slayer - his mouth faster than his mouse.
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On February 06 2005 17:43 hasuwar wrote:
Can someone list what elky has done? I mean, I really don't know of anything other than second in WCG..and everyone seems to think he's super super deserving of second after grrrr.
Man... not sure about his whole achievements but back in 2001 early 2002 elky was a fucking terran killing machine. I watched his games religiously he was nails behind of being missplaced for a korean if you wouldn't tell me he was actually elky.
Strange no one has mentioned his liquibition streak on crystal, blackman, beast and rekrul, ending only to also powerful but threw away his talent and bw career to drugs Smuft
Elky swept the hell out of everybody in WCG2001 not just that he got 2nd but the way he easly destroyed his opponents, plus he was in starleague every time, he won I don't remember how many consecutve matches but it was a good streak.
As I said Smuft and specially Blackman would have had a great career but drugs destroyed them.
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On February 06 2005 17:50 Famouzze wrote:
btw in my not-so-humble opinion NTT is by far the most overrated bw player of all time. no way does he deserve to be in top 5 of all time list, MAYBE top 50. maybe it was just something about my style vs his but i played him many times in his prime and he never impressed me. he reminds me of hovz more than someone like slayer - his mouth faster than his mouse.
The only play faster than NTT outside of Korea was Slayer, so he certainly didn't fail on mousespeed.
Though, you know nothing about what you speak.
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On February 06 2005 17:50 soundwave wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2005 17:43 hasuwar wrote:
Can someone list what elky has done? I mean, I really don't know of anything other than second in WCG..and everyone seems to think he's super super deserving of second after grrrr. Man... not sure about his whole achievements but back in 2001 early 2002 elky was a fucking terran killing machine. I watched his games religiously he was nails behind of being missplaced for a korean if you wouldn't tell me he was actually elky. Strange no one has mentiones his liquibition streak on crystal, blackman, beast and rekrul, ending only to also powerful but threw away his talent and bw career to drugs Smuft Elky swept the hell out of everybody in WCG2001 not just that he got 2nd but the way he easly destroyed his opponents, plus he was in starleague every time, he won I don't remember how many consecutve matches but it was a good streak. As I said Smuft and specially Blackman would have had a great career but drugs destroyed them.
haha blackman druguser? i thought he went to some vampiric underground club and semi died or something :o
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On February 06 2005 17:52 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2005 17:50 Famouzze wrote:
btw in my not-so-humble opinion NTT is by far the most overrated bw player of all time. no way does he deserve to be in top 5 of all time list, MAYBE top 50. maybe it was just something about my style vs his but i played him many times in his prime and he never impressed me. he reminds me of hovz more than someone like slayer - his mouth faster than his mouse. The only play faster than NTT outside of Korea was Slayer, so he certainly didn't fail on mousespeed. Though, you know nothing about what you speak.
maybe at hitting the S key. but even if he was as fast as Nada it wouldn't be able to keep up with his mouth.
like i said i played NTT numerous times in his prime, so i'd like to know on what basis you say I know nothing of what i speak?
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On February 06 2005 17:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2005 17:40 Dealer wrote:Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder? That's such a cheap shot it's ridiculous. Elky's time came later and this is not about who learned what the fastest. When Elky was ready for it he was beating every foreigner that qualified (including Sven at WCG 2001 who you just put at the level of the best Koreans at that time) for any WCG. His WCG finishes and Starleague results crush anyone but Grrrr's =[
yea -.- V ur right in a way but...when elkys time was comming it was already too late cuz the koreans were too good, elky was a monster and would probably rape any non korean when he was at best....um its a shame elky wasnt as good some years earlier instead and he would have won more
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