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CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
May 28 2011 01:37 GMT
#121
I dunno I think this decision hurts them more... I understand where they come from, but I don't really agree with it at the same time.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
May 28 2011 01:41 GMT
#122
On May 28 2011 10:37 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno I think this decision hurts them more... I understand where they come from, but I don't really agree with it at the same time.


hmmm. this is my analogy; TL was contracted with a korean site to translate all the featured news to korean, but fomos copy pastes and translates it too on their website. would it help expand BW community? yes. would TL and especially its partner be happy? hell no.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
May 28 2011 01:51 GMT
#123
Would everyone here know what Fomos is if it weren't for those translations? It's not like TL is some other competition community site like DES. Like I said, I guess it's something that they had to do, but I'm not going to agree that it was a good decision :s
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NukeTheStars
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States277 Posts
May 28 2011 01:53 GMT
#124
If TL didn't have ads, you could probably still post credited translations and photos here under the protection of fair use, seeing as though it benefits the public. But, ads make it copying for commercial gain, so there's not really anything anyone can do. Kind of a shame.
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
May 28 2011 01:56 GMT
#125
Pretty lame, see where they are coming from though. Hopefully they translate articles constantly on their own time since they are taking away the option for people here to do it.
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rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 01:57:51
May 28 2011 01:57 GMT
#126
On May 28 2011 06:06 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 06:04 gogogadgetflow wrote:
I'm having trouble imagining how english translations hosted on this site negatively affect Fomos... unless they plan to start doing some translating themselves.


they recently partnered with a chinese media site to publish English content

What do the Chinese care about copyright infringement?

Also, if photos are straight up copyright infringement, then this site (not to mention every other site on the intertubes) is in so much deep shit.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 28 2011 02:02 GMT
#127
Disclaimer, the stuff you're about to read is pretty radical sounding and is mere conjecture, if I cross the line anywhere, just tell me:

I'm actually pretty dam sure that Paul Samshit, or whatever his name is, is behind this.
Call me crazy and a conspirator but I wouldn't be surprised if Paul secretly asked FOMOS to forbid using their material as a secret, backwater condition in agreeing to the IP rights for BW. In his interview he stated that he would literally kill the BW scene after all.

Although it doesn't explain why DES hasn't done the same, he must've realized the majority of BW content came from FOMOS. Unfortunately, if my theory holds true, DES may or may not do the same.

I'm doing my best to control my anger and prevent it form clouding my judgement but even amidst all this, it seems hard to consider otherwise. Ok, maybe it isn't but even if there were some tensions between English translations and copy pasting material on their own site, it's not at all zero sum for FOMOS.

I mean, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put in some delay between negotiations and the banning to dispel any suspicion. In addition, without the "care" of the Korean public as Wax stated, I'm sure it was thought out. After all, FOMOS or the Korean public as a whole would've easily agreed to letting TLPD out of the loop - it doesn't hurt them as much as bowing out to another more direct concession.
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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
May 28 2011 02:05 GMT
#128
On May 28 2011 11:02 Taekwon wrote:
Disclaimer, the stuff you're about to read is pretty radical sounding and is mere conjecture, if I cross the line anywhere, just tell me:

I'm actually pretty dam sure that Paul Samshit, or whatever his name is, is behind this.
Call me crazy and a conspirator but I wouldn't be surprised if Paul secretly asked FOMOS to forbid using their material as a secret, backwater condition in agreeing to the IP rights for BW. In his interview he stated that he would literally kill the BW scene after all.

Although it doesn't explain why DES hasn't done the same, he must've realized the majority of BW content came from FOMOS. Unfortunately, if my theory holds true, DES may or may not do the same.

I'm doing my best to control my anger and prevent it form clouding my judgement but even amidst all this, it seems hard to consider otherwise. Ok, maybe it isn't but even if there were some tensions between English translations and copy pasting material on their own site, it's not at all zero sum for FOMOS.

I mean, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put in some delay between negotiations and the banning to dispel any suspicion. In addition, without the "care" of the Korean public as Wax stated, I'm sure it was thought out. After all, FOMOS or the Korean public as a whole would've easily agreed to letting TLPD out of the loop - it doesn't hurt them as much as bowing out to another more direct concession.


I think you're reaching a bit too far there...
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
May 28 2011 02:05 GMT
#129
On May 28 2011 08:00 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 07:56 Taekwon wrote:
I suggest negotiations of awesomeness!


we've spoken with Fomos, things just didn't work out.


We need KeSPA lawyers. So we can carry on as we please and about half a year later have it all dismissed.

On a real note, this is rather disappointing. This more or less kills their foreign fan base, at least we can watch the starcraft streams.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 28 2011 02:08 GMT
#130
On May 28 2011 11:05 LegendaryZ wrote:

I think you're reaching a bit too far there...


It's certainly farfetched but nothing disproves it either. Wax said that Chinese media were now working with FOMOS - thus they decided to prevent TLPD from having their material. It all just seems fishy.

Nothing proves the theory, but nothing disproves it either... either way, it seems nothing can be done. So I'll leave it at that. I mean no harm.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
May 28 2011 02:09 GMT
#131
On May 28 2011 11:05 Chimpalimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 08:00 Waxangel wrote:
On May 28 2011 07:56 Taekwon wrote:
I suggest negotiations of awesomeness!


we've spoken with Fomos, things just didn't work out.


We need KeSPA lawyers. So we can carry on as we please and about half a year later have it all dismissed.

On a real note, this is rather disappointing. This more or less kills their foreign fan base, at least we can watch the starcraft streams.

Don't even jinx that...
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
May 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#132
I do not see how you can promote eSports if they are unwilling to get foreign countries translate Korean news. Fomos is not only a Korean company like it was, but it is acting like one too. Do they let Chinese forums (PlayXP, etc.) translate their articles?
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Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
May 28 2011 02:12 GMT
#133
So, are these people expecting us to learn korean in order to read player interviews?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#134
On May 28 2011 10:53 NukeTheStars wrote:
If TL didn't have ads, you could probably still post credited translations and photos here under the protection of fair use, seeing as though it benefits the public. But, ads make it copying for commercial gain, so there's not really anything anyone can do. Kind of a shame.


Pretty much. As soon as you guys entered this realm, they had no option. x-x
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
May 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#135
I cant believe someone pulled in Paul Sams into this discussion. WTH? Is there no end to how much you can twist things around?

It's like xiaolin monks washing clothes by twisting it so much that it rips.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
May 28 2011 02:22 GMT
#136
On May 28 2011 11:12 Amaranthine wrote:
So, are these people expecting us to learn korean in order to read player interviews?


no they expect us to use DES which is better than fomos in most if not all situations..
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ShinySleepy
Profile Joined February 2011
Philippines80 Posts
May 28 2011 02:25 GMT
#137
Great. No more JD interviews -.-
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
May 28 2011 02:26 GMT
#138
This was bound to happen, especially with fomos global.
Could someone start saving all Fomos stuff (esp interview and fan stuff) and archive them and post them for everyone to save
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
May 28 2011 02:31 GMT
#139
On May 28 2011 11:08 Taekwon wrote:

I'm actually pretty dam sure that Paul Samshit, or whatever his name is, is behind this.

....

Nothing proves the theory, but nothing disproves it either...


Are you serious? If I said Al-qaeda was behind this, can you disprove that?
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 02:35:08
May 28 2011 02:33 GMT
#140
On May 28 2011 10:53 NukeTheStars wrote:
If TL didn't have ads, you could probably still post credited translations and photos here under the protection of fair use, seeing as though it benefits the public. But, ads make it copying for commercial gain, so there's not really anything anyone can do. Kind of a shame.

Well, we'd need someone more familiar with copyright law to really be sure, but I remember this from my experiences in recovering copyrighted videos.
"Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use."
I'd say interviews and such are for news reporting and comment purposes, so it may be allowed.

That being said, I'm not sure on the copyright laws of non-US countries. That may be a problem.
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