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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 28 2004 07:50 GMT
#101
On September 28 2004 16:47 Gryffindor_us wrote:
Damnit FA, don't lie about Boxer vs NaDa record. Their record is like 16-18 or 17-19, in favor of NaDa. ==;


Yes how different is that? Or did I say that boxer was in the lead ;D?
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 28 2004 08:01 GMT
#102
On September 28 2004 15:53 bigMommA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2004 15:41 Cambium wrote:
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote:
i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was..
don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again


I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.


Boxer's style just isn't efficient enough these days. Time has catch up to him, you're right: the skill levels now are much higher than it is 2-3 years ago.

Here's one of Boxer's major flaw: He uses the damn arrow keys.

If you watch that multi-angle VOD of him, you can see that he takes his left hand off and bring it all the way across to the arrow keys just to move his screen. That's about 1 to 1.5 seconds wasted every time he moves his hand back and forth. This is so inefficient, and the majority of players that can play at the same multi-task speed as him can most of the time beat him.


If Boxer didn't do this from BEFORE he became a progamer, you wouldn't be talking about him and no one would know him for his micro.

What a sad world we would be in.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 28 2004 08:04 GMT
#103
On September 28 2004 16:43 Dangster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2004 14:37 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote:
Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.

NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.


What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.

There are other reasons though.


its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it
and also that he has a huge adams apple
just admit it


Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.

Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
September 28 2004 08:08 GMT
#104
Uck, my fault I thought I read it, "boxer vs nada 17-15" lol :D.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51611 Posts
September 28 2004 08:10 GMT
#105
kingdom used to be in hanbit and he followed boxer to orion. while after the collapse of IS turning into K-Tec Plus, rainbow decided to follow boxer. then boxer started his "recruiting camp" and got oov, zerglee, kos and them 3 amatuers. but, ideally, if IS was in this time, it would be virtually invincible, i think mumyung went to t1 because boxer and mumyung are friends or something? or it probably wasnt boxer's idea to get mumyung? maybe the mananger.
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
September 28 2004 08:42 GMT
#106
boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.

Just thought I had to inform 'bigmomma' of that.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 28 2004 08:49 GMT
#107
On September 28 2004 17:42 Element)FrEaK wrote:
boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.

Just thought I had to inform 'bigmomma' of that.


Yes and more specifically he's one of the only famous players who uses it extensively during his micro.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
September 28 2004 09:02 GMT
#108
On September 28 2004 17:04 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2004 16:43 Dangster wrote:
On September 28 2004 14:37 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote:
Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.

NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.


What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.

There are other reasons though.


its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it
and also that he has a huge adams apple
just admit it


Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.

Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.


its like that thing where you have a fear of the unknown -_-;;;
like you are scared of that one neighbor down the street who never comes out and the house is always dark word yo
but i hit it on the spot cause i know everything -_-;
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 28 2004 09:10 GMT
#109
I might get killed for this, this is just MY opinion on Boxer.

I think he focus too much on 'tricks' (which is his style) to win the game, rather than hardcore macroing.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17067 Posts
September 28 2004 09:23 GMT
#110
I always thought it was so endearing the way mumyung looked when he played
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Make7UpYours
Profile Joined October 2003
893 Posts
September 28 2004 09:24 GMT
#111
On September 28 2004 16:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Btw.. Sudaboy and Rumble are newcomers, IMPRESSIVE newcomers, didn't both make into challenge league? ON THEIR FIRST TRY AFTER JOINING KTF, THAT IS FUCKING GOOD !

When boxer picked out OOv, oov had done NOTHING beyond 2000 gamei with all races.. NOTHING.


Hasn't Sudaboy been around for quite awhile now? I remember that he was in the Challenge League prelims or something when Boxer's new Orion team first debuted.
Make7UpYours
Profile Joined October 2003
893 Posts
September 28 2004 09:26 GMT
#112
kOs was a monster in the 4th KPGA tour during the group rounds. I think his final group score put him at the top, was close to undefeated, and he looked like a huge favorite to win the thing (or as much of a favorite as one could look when playing in a league with an unstoppable Nada). His TvZ just failed him when he played Chojja in the semifinals.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 28 2004 09:32 GMT
#113
On September 27 2004 22:21 ManaBlue wrote:
Mumyung was once a prized punching bag of the community here at tl.net, until one day a wonderous and strange thing happened...

Boxer the great decided that he wanted this tub of goo to play for SKT1.

Then all of a sudden, no one was insulting him anymore. The pot shots had ceased. The frenzy was over.

And now, no one ever talks about him anymore (except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play).

SO, I ask you now. Where do YOU stand on this gamer.

Is your love for SKT1 greater than your hate of his years of mediocrity?

I for one still hate Mumyung. He's a boring macro player that has embarassingly crappy micro and multi-task. In his recent game vs. TheMarine, the Terran built ONE rine, allowing Yung to pop his cherry and take the game for free. But no my friends, this is Mumyung we're talking about. He allowed TheMarine to drag his death out another 15 minutes!!!! Fighting EXCLUSIVELY with wraiths and sci-vessels TheMarine kill wave after wave of attack-moved (or it seemed like it) hydras. Each one of those wraiths must've had 25 kills. Irradiates filled the air.

Fine, Yung won...eventually. With no grace, art or pro-level control at all. It was a disgrace to pro-gaming. For god-sakes, even I could've taken the map and thrown units until I won and I suuuuuuuuuck at this game.

I hate Mumyung, and what's worse, I hate the fact that he's getting sudden respect for having a small winning streak and joining a popular team. He sucks, and though I love SKT1 I'm not afraid to say it.

Now what do you guys think?


Neutral...But I think he's alright. No reason to be a hater.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 28 2004 10:13 GMT
#114
On September 28 2004 17:04 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2004 16:43 Dangster wrote:
On September 28 2004 14:37 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote:
Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.

NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.


What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.

There are other reasons though.


its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it
and also that he has a huge adams apple
just admit it


Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.

Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.

He's like 21 or 23 o_O
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
September 28 2004 10:17 GMT
#115
Go TerAto!! Make TerAto thread.

I'm praying that kid gets his act together. Mumyung too. MuMyung is good but acts really dumb in heated situations (or any game period).

Does BoxeR train the new comers? Or do they just all game each other (they being the team).
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17067 Posts
September 28 2004 10:31 GMT
#116
Hmm, maybe they help each other? I don't know, I'm pub level hahaha -.-p
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 28 2004 10:44 GMT
#117
On September 28 2004 19:17 worst.player wrote:
Go TerAto!! Make TerAto thread.

I'm praying that kid gets his act together. Mumyung too. MuMyung is good but acts really dumb in heated situations (or any game period).

Does BoxeR train the new comers? Or do they just all game each other (they being the team).


They practise together for like 10 hours (?) a day.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
September 28 2004 10:50 GMT
#118
On September 28 2004 15:02 mensrea wrote:
haha good thread! :D

Look at what you've done! Curse you mensrea...
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 28 2004 10:51 GMT
#119
This should've been a vote -_-, it'd be much more interesting.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
bigMommA
Profile Joined March 2003
1985 Posts
September 28 2004 11:22 GMT
#120
On September 28 2004 17:01 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2004 15:53 bigMommA wrote:
On September 28 2004 15:41 Cambium wrote:
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote:
i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was..
don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again


I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.


Boxer's style just isn't efficient enough these days. Time has catch up to him, you're right: the skill levels now are much higher than it is 2-3 years ago.

Here's one of Boxer's major flaw: He uses the damn arrow keys.

If you watch that multi-angle VOD of him, you can see that he takes his left hand off and bring it all the way across to the arrow keys just to move his screen. That's about 1 to 1.5 seconds wasted every time he moves his hand back and forth. This is so inefficient, and the majority of players that can play at the same multi-task speed as him can most of the time beat him.


If Boxer didn't do this from BEFORE he became a progamer, you wouldn't be talking about him and no one would know him for his micro.

What a sad world we would be in.


On September 28 2004 17:42 Element)FrEaK wrote:
boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.

Just thought I had to inform 'bigmomma' of that.


What's amazing about him is that he's a pioneer, doing stuff that people wouldn't have imagined, and not because of his uber micro. Why?

Because his micro(Lockdown, blind, irradiate cloning, mm microk, dropships) can be easily replicated by other pros such as Nada and Xellos once it has been shown.

That is why I still see there's a flaw in using arrow keys:
Players such as Nada and Xellos can pull the same tricks (but of course they're not inventive as Boxer) w/o a single touch on those arrow keys and have better macro than Boxer.

Also Abyss, it seems like from your comment, that you're implying Boxer discovered all these great tricks with the use of arrow keys.

I think differently and that he could probably be just as creative regardless if he started out using arrow keys or not.
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