Mumyung was once a prized punching bag of the community here at tl.net, until one day a wonderous and strange thing happened...
Boxer the great decided that he wanted this tub of goo to play for SKT1.
Then all of a sudden, no one was insulting him anymore. The pot shots had ceased. The frenzy was over.
And now, no one ever talks about him anymore (except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play).
SO, I ask you now. Where do YOU stand on this gamer.
Is your love for SKT1 greater than your hate of his years of mediocrity?
I for one still hate Mumyung. He's a boring macro player that has embarassingly crappy micro and multi-task. In his recent game vs. TheMarine, the Terran built ONE rine, allowing Yung to pop his cherry and take the game for free. But no my friends, this is Mumyung we're talking about. He allowed TheMarine to drag his death out another 15 minutes!!!! Fighting EXCLUSIVELY with wraiths and sci-vessels TheMarine kill wave after wave of attack-moved (or it seemed like it) hydras. Each one of those wraiths must've had 25 kills. Irradiates filled the air.
Fine, Yung won...eventually. With no grace, art or pro-level control at all. It was a disgrace to pro-gaming. For god-sakes, even I could've taken the map and thrown units until I won and I suuuuuuuuuck at this game.
I hate Mumyung, and what's worse, I hate the fact that he's getting sudden respect for having a small winning streak and joining a popular team. He sucks, and though I love SKT1 I'm not afraid to say it.
uh, no one stopped talking shit about mumyung.. he loses every game he plays, he just hasn't been playing for anyone to talk about.. somehow he won that one, if it was how you said, whoopty doo
he gets in a league and loses EVERY game..that's why everyone talked shit on him
He sucks, but when you look at him, you can't help but root for the poor guy. I mean, hunched over like that, he just looks like the smelly kid from elementary school or something.
I'll typically root for him, but he doesn't belong in the Starleagues.
He has qualified for most major leagues. Just because he doesn't win doesn't mean he's worthless. Hell, look at Boxer. Even when Boxer qualified and dropped out early, he still had 49804298234 fans cheering him on. People are just reluctant to cheer for a guy who has never won a major event.
On September 27 2004 22:47 DJEtterStyle wrote: He sucks, but when you look at him, you can't help but root for the poor guy. I mean, hunched over like that, he just looks like the smelly kid from elementary school or something.
I'll typically root for him, but he doesn't belong in the Starleagues.
Since I know analogies (note that the word "anal" is in there; that's important, because it's the only sex you'll ever have) help people of sub-par intelligence, think of Mumyung as an average guy who barely managed to get into a really good college, then flunked out. Did he belong there in the first place?
I don't really like him, I felt really bad for Goodfriend when he lost to him recently on Nostalgia... Mumyung really didn't play with exceptional micro or macro play. It was more like he was just defending with defiler the whole game and eventually secured 3 gas for ultra, yay. As I recall he also managed to qualify for like 3 Starleagues in a row and never won a game(Maybe won a game but never made it out of groups), so it seemed like sort of a waste because you just knew he was gonna lose every time. Something about his play is just so blatantly average and his strategies are never interesting and control never fun to watch. Just a boring high level player.
On September 27 2004 23:10 DJEtterStyle wrote: Since I know analogies (note that the word "anal" is in there; that's important, because it's the only sex you'll ever have)
Thats like the worst attempt at an insult ever.
Anyways... I got nothing against Mumyung... I actually voted for him his last game and he got me a point.
Well, whatever, if he has made three StarLeagues in a row, what do you think about the players he beat? Sure, it doesn't negate the fact the he gets blown up in every StarLeague but he still makes the cut, so... what?
mumyung DID win something. He won KPGA tour once. Dont recall which tho. and i dont see no reason on why to hate a player because he loses games in starleague.
The only reason why anyone has ever hated mumyung is because of mensrea. Go read some of mensrea's reports that involve mention mumyung and you'll figure out why people have grown to hate him. I've always liked mumyung (especially for his amazing ZvZ abilities), despite the hate compaign.
i hate mumu-yung since i watched my first vods... i don't know, his look is just forbidding. he always holds his head high as hes saying 'you are a low life creature and i will own you badly'.
Well, i don't know, maybe it's not like hate, i just always make fun of him, like 'even mumu-yung can do better than that'
But i never ever felt sympathy for him, istead when i see doggi play and his face looks so sad - then i want him to do better
On September 27 2004 22:21 ManaBlue wrote:(except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play)
and i thought its all about the hair T_T
@ mumyung: i never flamed him and i wont until he shows some really bm
On September 27 2004 23:34 FY-Forever wrote: mumyung ? nothing to say about him who i do hate is V-Gundam
How the hell can anybody hate Gundam oO? To keep on topic, I have no strong feelings either way about Mumyung - but, I feel that if he qualifies he should be there, that is the point in having qualifiers.
Chris u could fight for the peace and justice of the world, to vanquish evil! anywayz i personally hate MuMyung coz he's just a stupid fatboy who losses nearly every single game... but somehow qualifies for the starleagues... it's a free world dude... if i don't like him don't flame me... coz this topic is just about how do u like/hate him
I was watching some of Mumyung's VODs, he's not a great player but he's pretty cute the way he looks when he plays, keke, the one person who I don't like is ogogo, in his game for reach he was like near tears in desperation and frustration, he was like aaaaaaaaaaa
its as if you guys act like he has the ability to do well (like in the college example) but he chooses not to, yeah, i'm sure he likes being made fun of by the ogn announcers and NOT beating the matches he's in...yeah...
who cares , he's just another one of those players that is good enough to beat good players to advance but when he meets real pros he isn't good enough , he would still beat 99% of people here
i like him if you guys diss his skill then you must really hate mondragon a lot!
mensrea started saying mumyung sucked and people just jumped on the bandwagon without even knowing anything about this player at all, i think he's really good & really cool, who cares if he didn't win a starleague.
On September 27 2004 23:46 SoMuchBetter wrote: The only reason why anyone has ever hated mumyung is because of mensrea. Go read some of mensrea's reports that involve mention mumyung and you'll figure out why people have grown to hate him. I've always liked mumyung (especially for his amazing ZvZ abilities), despite the hate compaign.
agreed. I have been rooting for mumyung since tl.net's the hate mumyung campaign.
SKT1 > You I always always cheer for SKT1 unless it's vs reach, yellow, nal_ra [ and I think I'm forgetting one] or if it's boxer/oov/rainbow against the other SKT1 players
I dunno why ppl would hate someone cos they qualify for an elite league and then get beaten by other pros, even if it happens alot, you should be feeling sorry for them T.T
Did you see the Boxer vs. Mumyung Challenge league VOD, where Boxer goes double port? I really liked, that Boxer won, but anyone who didn't feel kind of bad for Mumyung, when even the commentators were laughing at him, because he took like 15 overlords to fight off Boxers wraiths, you just have no heart .
1)i think he ows u easy like rambo would own a little nice bitch k? 2) did you saw him vs artofterran : full muta vs 195/200 golitahs 2-2 ?? that was great.. 3) his face seems maybe not really cool, but how can u consider someone without knowing him or at least without having talk even once with him whereas you would not be a stupid teenager?
On September 28 2004 04:00 RjMandNjW[FyM] wrote: the facts are ... if you were in the same channel as mumyang .. you'd be drooling on him and asking him so many ?'s you'd think it was an interview
I remember a league (don`t remebere witch one like 3 or more years ago) some unknown guy owning boxer in semis and yellow in final without losing a game this unknown guy was mumyung i was wondering who this guy is and thought he will be one of the big ones. Ok he never came big in progaming but u cant say he never won an important game I dont cheer for him except he play some teamleague for skt1
I didnt see any sort of displeasure with him when he was rocking WGTour. This is definately a wierd phenomenon on TL.net. I wouldnt be suprised if mensrea has bamboozled you dopes into hating him for no reason. Or you hate people because they arent physically attractive, in which case, your point of view is ignored anyway.
Like several others have mentioned, he still beats up on 99% of the BW community.
I've probably defended mumyung more than anyone anywhere :O
The kid is consistent as HELL! He 3-0ed yellow ZvZ in the first KPGA Winners Championship He's been in SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many starleagues, not quite boxer level but not far off!
If boxer thinks he's get potential I'm not going to argue with him-_-
On September 28 2004 08:59 striker wrote: 1)i think he ows u easy like rambo would own a little nice bitch k? 2) did you saw him vs artofterran : full muta vs 195/200 golitahs 2-2 ?? that was great.. 3) his face seems maybe not really cool, but how can u consider someone without knowing him or at least without having talk even once with him whereas you would not be a stupid teenager?
Congrats Striker! That is the most incoherant jumbled mush I've ever read.
Let's get one thing straight. I don't hate Mumyung PERSONALLY. I've never met the guy.
I hate his playing style (or lack thereof) and I have a fucking right to. Just because Vince Carter is a better basketball player than me, doesn't mean I can't say that he's a worthless gimp and he's costing my fav team money and not delivering. In the heat of the moment I might even say I hate Vince Carter. Why? Because I can...
That's the way professional sports are and SC is no different. Mumyung being in the 90th percentile of players has nothing to do with me thinking he sucks at a pro level.
That is not what this topic is about. I want to know how you guys feel about Mumyung.
Funny thing is, everyone is so fast to insult him in measrea's topics, but most are defending him now.
Am I to assume that the next time he goes on a 10,000 game losing streak you won't all start dissing him again?
On September 27 2004 22:21 ManaBlue wrote: Mumyung was once a prized punching bag of the community here at tl.net, until one day a wonderous and strange thing happened...
Boxer the great decided that he wanted this tub of goo to play for SKT1.
Then all of a sudden, no one was insulting him anymore. The pot shots had ceased. The frenzy was over.
And now, no one ever talks about him anymore (except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play).
SO, I ask you now. Where do YOU stand on this gamer.
Is your love for SKT1 greater than your hate of his years of mediocrity?
I for one still hate Mumyung. He's a boring macro player that has embarassingly crappy micro and multi-task. In his recent game vs. TheMarine, the Terran built ONE rine, allowing Yung to pop his cherry and take the game for free. But no my friends, this is Mumyung we're talking about. He allowed TheMarine to drag his death out another 15 minutes!!!! Fighting EXCLUSIVELY with wraiths and sci-vessels TheMarine kill wave after wave of attack-moved (or it seemed like it) hydras. Each one of those wraiths must've had 25 kills. Irradiates filled the air.
Fine, Yung won...eventually. With no grace, art or pro-level control at all. It was a disgrace to pro-gaming. For god-sakes, even I could've taken the map and thrown units until I won and I suuuuuuuuuck at this game.
I hate Mumyung, and what's worse, I hate the fact that he's getting sudden respect for having a small winning streak and joining a popular team. He sucks, and though I love SKT1 I'm not afraid to say it.
Now what do you guys think?
sounds like u can get in starleague with ease.
It is, really, no shame in losing in starleague.. ....gogo mummyung!!
On September 27 2004 22:21 ManaBlue wrote: Mumyung was once a prized punching bag of the community here at tl.net, until one day a wonderous and strange thing happened...
Boxer the great decided that he wanted this tub of goo to play for SKT1.
Then all of a sudden, no one was insulting him anymore. The pot shots had ceased. The frenzy was over.
And now, no one ever talks about him anymore (except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play).
SO, I ask you now. Where do YOU stand on this gamer.
Is your love for SKT1 greater than your hate of his years of mediocrity?
I for one still hate Mumyung. He's a boring macro player that has embarassingly crappy micro and multi-task. In his recent game vs. TheMarine, the Terran built ONE rine, allowing Yung to pop his cherry and take the game for free. But no my friends, this is Mumyung we're talking about. He allowed TheMarine to drag his death out another 15 minutes!!!! Fighting EXCLUSIVELY with wraiths and sci-vessels TheMarine kill wave after wave of attack-moved (or it seemed like it) hydras. Each one of those wraiths must've had 25 kills. Irradiates filled the air.
Fine, Yung won...eventually. With no grace, art or pro-level control at all. It was a disgrace to pro-gaming. For god-sakes, even I could've taken the map and thrown units until I won and I suuuuuuuuuck at this game.
I hate Mumyung, and what's worse, I hate the fact that he's getting sudden respect for having a small winning streak and joining a popular team. He sucks, and though I love SKT1 I'm not afraid to say it.
Now what do you guys think?
sounds like u can get in starleague with ease.
It is, really, no shame in losing in starleague.. ....gogo mummyung!!
ManaBlue, im more confused why you would dislike someone who hasnt done anything to fail you (referring to your Vince Carter analogy). Considering your disfavor of him, youve never lost liquibet points to him, and well, i see no further reason to dislike him except for immature reasons.
Mensrea is just eccentric imo, so hes allowed leway. Not to mention his position is most likely sarcastic or exagerated.
Regarding playing style, dont blanket him with a bad playing style until you consider that alot of people play like him. Some of which are notoriously favorable in the public eye. i.e T.3)Zergboy.
On September 28 2004 10:29 Waxangel wrote: he's better than zerglee at least, which makes him useful to T1
He can do typical ZvP when needed in team league.
His ZvZ is up there with the best.
His TvZ can be sad at times, but he's on fucking T1 now ;o
Mmm I'd argue about Zerglee but then again, I dont' know much about him or Kos, it just seems like these two are kinda on the team for no reason - _-v
Don't get me wrong though, even if they put Nada [ You all know I hate that bastard ] on SKT1 I would CONSIDER cheering for him. SK is da shit~!
Also the only really ' useful ' zerg right now would be having Yellow, July [ to a certain degree ], or max on your team. Actually, I think Boxer could help Chojja some too. ^_^
Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
IS = Ideal Space I think they are now known as Plus :o
Oh and boxer played pretty bad in those series -.- Seriously the last game in the series...
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
IS = Ideal Space I think they are now known as Plus :o
Oh and boxer played pretty bad in those series -.- Seriously the last game in the series...
Or NaDa just played like he usually does, and ran circles around Boxer.
Yeah IS was Ideal Space and I didn't know they were Plus lol. IS had Boxer, NaDa, Yellow and Rainbow or at least that's all of the people I remember.
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote: i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was.. don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again
I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.
On November 14 2002 06:18 mensrea wrote: Mumyung's established himself as a regular in OGN Starleagues and his skills have improved even more since joining the IS ("Ideal Space") pro team. He's a mean Zerg capable of beating anyone, anytime - ChRh and Yellow are on the long list of lambs who have been on Mumyung's sacrificial altar. Also, Bifrost (Neo or not) is a Zerg map, as any HOT fan will tell ya.
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote: i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was.. don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again
I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.
Boxer's style just isn't efficient enough these days. Time has catch up to him, you're right: the skill levels now are much higher than it is 2-3 years ago.
Here's one of Boxer's major flaw: He uses the damn arrow keys.
If you watch that multi-angle VOD of him, you can see that he takes his left hand off and bring it all the way across to the arrow keys just to move his screen. That's about 1 to 1.5 seconds wasted every time he moves his hand back and forth. This is so inefficient, and the majority of players that can play at the same multi-task speed as him can most of the time beat him.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
IS = Ideal Space I think they are now known as Plus :o
Oh and boxer played pretty bad in those series -.- Seriously the last game in the series...
Or NaDa just played like he usually does, and ran circles around Boxer.
Yeah IS was Ideal Space and I didn't know they were Plus lol. IS had Boxer, NaDa, Yellow and Rainbow or at least that's all of the people I remember.
**Also: What other reasons?
Hehe well considering nada and boxer are like 17-15 or something all time TV games.. "As usual" is a bit harsh
On September 28 2004 15:53 worst.player wrote: BoxeR picked oov, and oov became a monster. He also picked ZergLee and Rainbow (if i'm not mistaken), and they're decent progamers, nothing amazing.
I still have faith in Boxer's judgement of players. At least for TerAto..
Boxer picked kingdom (kingdom was already good though), kingdom won a starleague and became one of the best tosses.
Boxer picked kos, kos qualified for a starleague (nada and boxer used to say kos had the best metal in the world). Kos has made it into 2 starleagues, he got fucking INSANE groups both times.. Like one time was Xellos, Zeus, Kos and someone, and the first time he had to play yellow and another couple of good players O_O
kos is in the tier of doggi and mumyung. zerglee is the shittiest pro-gamer.
btw, Boxer also picked up Hiroko(Z). I highly doubt Mumyung will turn out to be a good player. Boxer has a tendency to pick up some of the worst zerg players around like Zerglee, Hiroko, and Sudaboy.
Although Hiroko and Sudaboy are amateurs, there were still better choices for him like zergman and ipxzerg.
On September 28 2004 15:59 bigMommA wrote: kos is in the tier of doggi and mumyung. zerglee is the shittiest pro-gamer.
btw, Boxer also picked up Hiroko(Z). I highly doubt Mumyung will turn out to be a good player. Boxer has a tendency to pick up some of the worst zerg players around like Zerglee, Hiroko, and Sudaboy.
Although Hiroko and Sudaboy are amateurs, there were still better choices for him like zergman and ipxzerg.
-- Hiroko is zerglee. Kos is WAY above doggi.
No.7 (7th ranked zerg) Seong Hak Seung 2990 296 Games 150 Wins 146 Losses 50.7 % (MUMYUNG)
No.14 Kim Hyeon Jin 2061 209 Games 102 Wins 107 Losses 48.8 % (KOS)
No.16 Choi Su Beom 1933 203 Games 96 Wins 107 Losses 47.3 % (Doggi)
Now, doggi has been around TWICE as long as kos and as far as I know his biggest accomplishment is WCG 2001 and a starleague..
Kos has been in 2 starleagues, a KPGA where he did good iirc and a winners championship I think (beating yellow, no wait - dominating yellow IIRC)
Btw.. Sudaboy and Rumble are newcomers, IMPRESSIVE newcomers, didn't both make into challenge league? ON THEIR FIRST TRY AFTER JOINING KTF, THAT IS FUCKING GOOD !
When boxer picked out OOv, oov had done NOTHING beyond 2000 gamei with all races.. NOTHING.
FA, here's some old pics of Orion: Hiroko's at far right, Zerglee's on top of him
Hiroko's at top left, Zerglee's at bottom right
IIRC, Sudayboy joined Boxer's team awhile, when they still have all those frantic name changes. Hadn't heard much of Sudayboy in any minor/challenge leagues, only in prelims.
btw, Boxer picking up oov was still impressive, but what i said was he has a tendency to pick up shitty Zerg players, not terran.
also, I'm surprise that's some really close ratios of Doggi and Kos.
"No.14 Kim Hyeon Jin 2061 209 Games 102 Wins 107 Losses 48.8 % (KOS)
No.16 Choi Su Beom 1933 203 Games 96 Wins 107 Losses 47.3 % (Doggi)"
I figure Kos has probably been around as long as Doggi since Kos was in IS also Don't know the exact date but quite sure IS has been for the longest time since Boxer's establishment of his own team rise through that. IS was made up of Boxer, Yellow, sir@soni, combl, kos, rainbow, salmosa, etc.., something like that.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it and also that he has a huge adams apple just admit it
On September 28 2004 16:47 Gryffindor_us wrote: Damnit FA, don't lie about Boxer vs NaDa record. Their record is like 16-18 or 17-19, in favor of NaDa. ==;
Yes how different is that? Or did I say that boxer was in the lead ;D?
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote: i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was.. don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again
I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.
Boxer's style just isn't efficient enough these days. Time has catch up to him, you're right: the skill levels now are much higher than it is 2-3 years ago.
Here's one of Boxer's major flaw: He uses the damn arrow keys.
If you watch that multi-angle VOD of him, you can see that he takes his left hand off and bring it all the way across to the arrow keys just to move his screen. That's about 1 to 1.5 seconds wasted every time he moves his hand back and forth. This is so inefficient, and the majority of players that can play at the same multi-task speed as him can most of the time beat him.
If Boxer didn't do this from BEFORE he became a progamer, you wouldn't be talking about him and no one would know him for his micro.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it and also that he has a huge adams apple just admit it
Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.
Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.
kingdom used to be in hanbit and he followed boxer to orion. while after the collapse of IS turning into K-Tec Plus, rainbow decided to follow boxer. then boxer started his "recruiting camp" and got oov, zerglee, kos and them 3 amatuers. but, ideally, if IS was in this time, it would be virtually invincible, i think mumyung went to t1 because boxer and mumyung are friends or something? or it probably wasnt boxer's idea to get mumyung? maybe the mananger.
boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.
On September 28 2004 17:42 Element)FrEaK wrote: boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.
Just thought I had to inform 'bigmomma' of that.
Yes and more specifically he's one of the only famous players who uses it extensively during his micro.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it and also that he has a huge adams apple just admit it
Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.
Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.
its like that thing where you have a fear of the unknown -_-;;; like you are scared of that one neighbor down the street who never comes out and the house is always dark word yo but i hit it on the spot cause i know everything -_-;
On September 28 2004 16:09 FrozenArbiter wrote: Btw.. Sudaboy and Rumble are newcomers, IMPRESSIVE newcomers, didn't both make into challenge league? ON THEIR FIRST TRY AFTER JOINING KTF, THAT IS FUCKING GOOD !
When boxer picked out OOv, oov had done NOTHING beyond 2000 gamei with all races.. NOTHING.
Hasn't Sudaboy been around for quite awhile now? I remember that he was in the Challenge League prelims or something when Boxer's new Orion team first debuted.
kOs was a monster in the 4th KPGA tour during the group rounds. I think his final group score put him at the top, was close to undefeated, and he looked like a huge favorite to win the thing (or as much of a favorite as one could look when playing in a league with an unstoppable Nada). His TvZ just failed him when he played Chojja in the semifinals.
On September 27 2004 22:21 ManaBlue wrote: Mumyung was once a prized punching bag of the community here at tl.net, until one day a wonderous and strange thing happened...
Boxer the great decided that he wanted this tub of goo to play for SKT1.
Then all of a sudden, no one was insulting him anymore. The pot shots had ceased. The frenzy was over.
And now, no one ever talks about him anymore (except FA, but honestly he would have an opinion on the colour of yellows shoes and how it effects his game play).
SO, I ask you now. Where do YOU stand on this gamer.
Is your love for SKT1 greater than your hate of his years of mediocrity?
I for one still hate Mumyung. He's a boring macro player that has embarassingly crappy micro and multi-task. In his recent game vs. TheMarine, the Terran built ONE rine, allowing Yung to pop his cherry and take the game for free. But no my friends, this is Mumyung we're talking about. He allowed TheMarine to drag his death out another 15 minutes!!!! Fighting EXCLUSIVELY with wraiths and sci-vessels TheMarine kill wave after wave of attack-moved (or it seemed like it) hydras. Each one of those wraiths must've had 25 kills. Irradiates filled the air.
Fine, Yung won...eventually. With no grace, art or pro-level control at all. It was a disgrace to pro-gaming. For god-sakes, even I could've taken the map and thrown units until I won and I suuuuuuuuuck at this game.
I hate Mumyung, and what's worse, I hate the fact that he's getting sudden respect for having a small winning streak and joining a popular team. He sucks, and though I love SKT1 I'm not afraid to say it.
Now what do you guys think?
Neutral...But I think he's alright. No reason to be a hater.
On September 28 2004 14:35 Gryffindor_us wrote: Their manager is abusive, but I guess when you're a whore for money it doesn't matter :D.
NaDa was in IS when it collapsed, that was during Panasonic OGN. Then he joined KTF with Yellow and they stayed until January 2003, and left together to Toona SG. Then Yellow left and went back to KTF.
What is this IS you speak of? I think I know it by another name. I started hating Nada after he started becoming good and the major turning point is when he embarassed Boxer at the 1st KT-KTF finals.
There are other reasons though.
its the fact that he looks like a kid in pictures yet hes beating a man aka boxer isnt it and also that he has a huge adams apple just admit it
Dangster pretty much hit it on the spot, I never liked Nada because he looks sickly [ Kinda like Salmosa ] and what I've seen of him [ Whilst in Korea and in VODS ] is what I think is alot of bm, although he does have a reputation of having the opposite. He's alot younger [ I believe ] than the other progamers yet I've seen him act kinda laid back around them, so that kinda bothers me.
Idk, it's one of those rare cases when you just don't like somebody even if you haven't said anything to each other. Just by looking at him in real person my feelings were further affirmed.
On September 28 2004 15:14 SpiriT-DemoN- wrote: i get the feeling BoxeR isn't as committed to being the best gamer as he once was.. don't think we'll ever see the old limyh again
I think other players are getting better, and boxer simply isn't improving fast enough.
Boxer's style just isn't efficient enough these days. Time has catch up to him, you're right: the skill levels now are much higher than it is 2-3 years ago.
Here's one of Boxer's major flaw: He uses the damn arrow keys.
If you watch that multi-angle VOD of him, you can see that he takes his left hand off and bring it all the way across to the arrow keys just to move his screen. That's about 1 to 1.5 seconds wasted every time he moves his hand back and forth. This is so inefficient, and the majority of players that can play at the same multi-task speed as him can most of the time beat him.
If Boxer didn't do this from BEFORE he became a progamer, you wouldn't be talking about him and no one would know him for his micro.
What a sad world we would be in.
On September 28 2004 17:42 Element)FrEaK wrote: boxer uses both mouse scroll and keyboard scroll. He only uses his key scroll when his mouse is busy, since he is a mouse player instead of a keyboard player.
Just thought I had to inform 'bigmomma' of that.
What's amazing about him is that he's a pioneer, doing stuff that people wouldn't have imagined, and not because of his uber micro. Why?
Because his micro(Lockdown, blind, irradiate cloning, mm microk, dropships) can be easily replicated by other pros such as Nada and Xellos once it has been shown.
That is why I still see there's a flaw in using arrow keys: Players such as Nada and Xellos can pull the same tricks (but of course they're not inventive as Boxer) w/o a single touch on those arrow keys and have better macro than Boxer.
Also Abyss, it seems like from your comment, that you're implying Boxer discovered all these great tricks with the use of arrow keys.
I think differently and that he could probably be just as creative regardless if he started out using arrow keys or not.
I see lockdown, blind, yamato, and SV clonings are all the same stuff.
Boxer choosing to use lockdown and blind cloning is his own daring artistic style. He knows the risk of using them, and he knows the payoff as well (Not just because they are somewhat effective *referring to blind, but it's eye-candy for the fans).
But seeing yamato & SV cloning is much more common in that i think because it's a relatively safer/ideal choice for the majority of Terran pros.
Xellos cloning his SCV's is a good example as he is known to play by the book. It's safe, but the micro lvl is insane to pull that off as fast and accurate as he can.
This is awesome. My little thread, taking on a life of it's own. Digress I say!!! Digress until we eventually leave the topic of SC behind! For one day my friends, we will eventually discover the meaning of life in this thread...one day...
On September 28 2004 20:36 bigMommA wrote: I see lockdown, blind, yamato, and SV clonings are all the same stuff.
Boxer choosing to use lockdown and blind cloning is his own daring artistic style. He knows the risk of using them, and he knows the payoff as well (Not just because they are somewhat effective *referring to blind, but it's eye-candy for the fans).
But seeing yamato & SV cloning is much more common in that i think because it's a relatively safer/ideal choice for the majority of Terran pros.
Xellos cloning his SCV's is a good example as he is known to play by the book. It's safe, but the micro lvl is insane to pull that off as fast and accurate as he can.
Definately... I was watching Boxer vs Didi earlier today (the mass blind game) for no particular reason other than being bored...
I mean, Boxer died with like 4k min 3k gas or something crazy like that, he had plenty of time to build appropriately, but he had to play cute, which is fine, though he lost that game when he shouldn't have. Boxer is far from the best player nowadays, but people absolutely love him, because frankly, he's entertaining as hell to watch, you never know what he's gonna do.
The reason, why Boxer isn't invincible anymore isn't that he didn't improve anymore or anything, it's because when he was winning everything, one group of people started copying him and the other half started figuring out some counterstrats for his style of playing.
It's the same reason, why Oov isn't winning everyhing anymore, people realized that for example a aggressive Z could beat his 3 marine ex and so forth.
Now there will be more new players good at countering a macro-style game, because those players are on top right now. Which means that Boxer will be more successive in the future with his micro.
On September 29 2004 04:15 Orome wrote: The reason, why Boxer isn't invincible anymore isn't that he didn't improve anymore or anything, it's because when he was winning everything, one group of people started copying him and the other half started figuring out some counterstrats for his style of playing.
It's the same reason, why Oov isn't winning everyhing anymore, people realized that for example a aggressive Z could beat his 3 marine ex and so forth.
Now there will be more new players good at countering a macro-style game, because those players are on top right now. Which means that Boxer will be more successive in the future with his micro.
aka i beat u, u beat me, he beat u, she beat him, i beat her
as a rule I always cheer for the ugly gamers because if they can't dominate in video games what can they dominate at. So I always end up cheering for mumyung or thewind. Not ogogo though, I dont even fuck with that kind of ugly
the winner is the ruler. 100 years later, people who are crazy for soccer will say that,great team in the world?its brazil, argentina,germany, italy or something, but may not be neitherland, they are skilled, loved by thousands of people, but they are not the champion. there s no real type of art in gaming, the winner is the ART,REALITY, TRUTH or some other names.
I don't know him so why should I hate him? I don't like to watch his vods but IMHO we should blame the ones who lost to him and allowed him to play in the leagues. I don't like his style, I don't like BlackMan style either. But it is NOT a reason to hate them!
On September 29 2004 04:15 Orome wrote: The reason, why Boxer isn't invincible anymore isn't that he didn't improve anymore or anything, it's because when he was winning everything, one group of people started copying him and the other half started figuring out some counterstrats for his style of playing.
It's the same reason, why Oov isn't winning everyhing anymore, people realized that for example a aggressive Z could beat his 3 marine ex and so forth.
Now there will be more new players good at countering a macro-style game, because those players are on top right now. Which means that Boxer will be more successive in the future with his micro.
aka i beat u, u beat me, he beat u, she beat him, i beat her
On September 29 2004 11:24 gogogobomb wrote: the winner is the ruler. 100 years later, people who are crazy for soccer will say that,great team in the world?its brazil, argentina,germany, italy or something, but may not be neitherland, they are skilled, loved by thousands of people, but they are not the champion. there s no real type of art in gaming, the winner is the ART,REALITY, TRUTH or some other names.
A large pillar of literary fecal matter? Or me being dense?
On September 29 2004 11:03 racebannon wrote: as a rule I always cheer for the ugly gamers because if they can't dominate in video games what can they dominate at. So I always end up cheering for mumyung or thewind. Not ogogo though, I dont even fuck with that kind of ugly
That has to be the funniest post i've read in a while.
I think the kids who talk trash about MuMyung because he's ugly need an extra hug from mommy tonight...
What a cool reason to be a douche.
"Boxer is far from the best player nowadays, but people absolutely love him, because frankly, he's entertaining as hell to watch, you never know what he's gonna do."
Yes. He (and other pro gamers) are entertainers after all..
On September 29 2004 11:03 racebannon wrote: as a rule I always cheer for the ugly gamers because if they can't dominate in video games what can they dominate at. So I always end up cheering for mumyung or thewind. Not ogogo though, I dont even fuck with that kind of ugly
That has to be the funniest post i've read in a while.
On September 29 2004 11:24 gogogobomb wrote: the winner is the ruler. 100 years later, people who are crazy for soccer will say that,great team in the world?its brazil, argentina,germany, italy or something, but may not be neitherland, they are skilled, loved by thousands of people, but they are not the champion. there s no real type of art in gaming, the winner is the ART,REALITY, TRUTH or some other names.
A large pillar of literary fecal matter? Or me being dense?
On September 29 2004 11:24 gogogobomb wrote: the winner is the ruler. 100 years later, people who are crazy for soccer will say that,great team in the world?its brazil, argentina,germany, italy or something, but may not be neitherland, they are skilled, loved by thousands of people, but they are not the champion. there s no real type of art in gaming, the winner is the ART,REALITY, TRUTH or some other names.
A large pillar of literary fecal matter? Or me being dense?
----- well,sorry sir, i dont think im a good english reader and writer. im intend to read and write short. but the core is to express yourself, the important is not the style,but the content.
On September 29 2004 11:24 gogogobomb wrote: the winner is the ruler. 100 years later, people who are crazy for soccer will say that,great team in the world?its brazil, argentina,germany, italy or something, but may not be neitherland, they are skilled, loved by thousands of people, but they are not the champion. there s no real type of art in gaming, the winner is the ART,REALITY, TRUTH or some other names.
A large pillar of literary fecal matter? Or me being dense?
bad english
but largely he said the only thing that matters is winning, ugly or not.
Edit: Based on his addendum there i would say he's in the philosophical stage of framing "impractical" things irrelevant.
EPT
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