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On March 07 2011 06:42 miky_ardiente wrote:
just so we are on the same page, who are the s class players ?
flash (obviously)
jd and stork right ??
isnt bisu an s class himself ?
below them i think that fantasy kal and hydra are A+ players but not s class
Spot on. Bisu + Stork are the protoss templars that need to merge into an archon.
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On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in.
But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu.
Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
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On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Blinded by bias? I'm not the one making bold statements. I'm simply saying bisu still has a lot to prove before you all start to call him jesus, or even consider it for that matter. Though it's useless, bisu fans are immovable.
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On March 07 2011 08:22 ibreakurface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke? Blinded by bias? I'm not the one making bold statements. I'm simply saying bisu still has a lot to prove before you all start to call him jesus, or even consider it for that matter. Though it's useless, bisu fans are immovable.
Only Backho can be called jesus =D
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On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now?
The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
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On March 07 2011 11:45 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke? Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now? The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good.
Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
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On March 07 2011 12:14 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 11:45 Milkis wrote:On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke? Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now? The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then. I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good. Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
I think what Milkis is trying to say is that Bisu just doesn't have that aura of dominance that he did when he won Starleagues. During those times, there wasn't even a hint of doubt about whether or not Bisu would win, especially starleagues. Nowadays, Bisu's PvT isn't as good as it should be for his level, and his PvP is usually a toss-up.
There's no doubt that Bisu's performing well, it's just that there's some doubt when it comes to his PvT and PvP against Top players (like Stork and Flash).
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Bisu just doesn't have what it takes to beat flash and stork. He is S-class but the lowest of the list.
He is just performing well (to bisu fanboys) because how he DOMINATES zergs. He can be compared to Light in terms of vZ. We can all agree that Light isn't overall S-class right? Yet, he dominates anyone in a TvZ. Just like Bisu in a PvZ.
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On March 07 2011 12:42 aimaimaim wrote:
Bisu just doesn't have what it takes to beat flash and stork. He is S-class but the lowest of the list.
He is just performing well (to bisu fanboys) because how he DOMINATES zergs. He can be compared to Light in terms of vZ. We can all agree that Light isn't overall S-class right? Yet, he dominates anyone in a TvZ. Just like Bisu in a PvZ.
The major difference is that light is sub 50% vP by a lot. Who is better than bisu vT at this point? Stork yes, but that's it. Best, Jangbi, kal, and snow (the 4 guys who come to mind for me in PvT) All have been looking worse than bisu.
The list is a bit longer in PvP, but not that much. Stork, maybe Kal, and maybe horang2.
Bisu is S because unless the game is against Stork, Flash, or (maybe) Kal; Bisu is the favorite, hands down.
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Bisu needs to start winning some BoX series in starleagues though.
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I wouldn't condemn Bisu's vP. His losses against Stork are due to BO loss and some stupid shuttle micro that surely can be fixed. His recent loss against Kal is BO loss too.
Against Zerg, even Jaedong is having trouble against him.
Here is the thing about XvT. Nobody will admit you are a top XvT player until you defeat Flash. Flash raised XvT to such a ridiculous standard that Bisu's PvT will be perceived as weak as long as he can't overcome Flash. But let's face it, other than perhaps Fantasy, Bisu's PvT can take on just about any other Terran in the world.
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On March 07 2011 12:14 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 11:45 Milkis wrote:On March 07 2011 08:00 Lightwip wrote:On March 07 2011 06:17 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 01:54 Simplistik wrote:On March 07 2011 01:39 ibreakurface wrote:On March 06 2011 16:57 Lightwip wrote:On March 06 2011 16:54 l0st_romantic wrote:On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote:
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record. Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT. And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT. You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant. Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump). What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players. I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one. And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class) You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke? Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now? The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then. I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good. Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
I didn't think he was actually good at the beginning of the season. You can get 12 game winning streaks on a fluke quite easily -- "consider Shine", or consider the rampage Movie right now. The difference even then is that they actually looked good, while Bisu looked shaky.
Again, if your only retort is that "but he won", then you clearly didn't watch the games or just didn't realize how lucky Bisu was in nearly all the games he won earlier on. I still don't think Bisu was "good" before Shine destroyed him -- it's only afterwards where I would consider him good.
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I wouldn't say Bisu has substandard vP/vT. He has the highest PvP and the second highest PvT right now by ELO(and highest vZ just as an aside). He just needs to fix a few mistakes in his games(as he's said a few times). He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing. And after he proved that he wasn't lying when he said he could + Show Spoiler +, why couldn't this be true as well?
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On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote:
He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing.
I'm pretty sure anyone can say that.
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On March 08 2011 08:45 ibreakurface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote:
He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing. I'm pretty sure anyone can say that.
Except we know from experience that he can actually deliver?
Why do you hate Bisu so much anyways? It seems like all the WMF fans on here make a point to hate on Bisu whenever possible.
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On March 08 2011 08:54 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 08:45 ibreakurface wrote:On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote:
He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing. I'm pretty sure anyone can say that. Except we know from experience that he can actually deliver? Why do you hate Bisu so much anyways? It seems like all the WMF fans on here make a point to hate on Bisu whenever possible.
Maybe it has something to do that the only player with a starlegue title on the team is coincidently the one player to beat Bisu in a final? Im not sure, but now that you mention it it seems that fox has a surprisingly high number of bisu anti-fans (along with KT, but that reason is obvious  ).
+ Show Spoiler +lol, I had to double check that to make sure I didn't make an ass of myself. I almost forgot about midas, but he has no wins.
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Nope. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------v
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Hey OP, nice job linking to this thread in the most recent SKT loss to Hite.
If KT beats SKT tomorrow night, KT will be in a leading position going into R5. Then if they can keep their PL lead against SKT, then KT will be in that same commanding position they were at the conclusion of 09-10. And we all remember what happened then, haha.
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Bisu being inconsistent lately and with a Best that should be named "worst" I guess SKT should have their hopes on Fantasy. Oh wait he got totally outplayed by Movie a day ago. Doesnt look so well for SKT does it? Lets hope Hyuk can hyuk em' all!
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On March 15 2011 05:51 Deekin[ wrote:
Bisu being inconsistent lately and with a Best that should be named "worst" I guess SKT should have their hopes on Fantasy. Oh wait he got totally outplayed by Movie a day ago. Doesnt look so well for SKT does it? Lets hope Hyuk can hyuk em' all!
Relax We're playing well overall.
Yeah, we + Show Spoiler +
but KT lost to MBCHero lol 
It looks fine for SKT. We're certainly not down and out just yet.
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