Let's have some fun speculative news, shall we? There's some fun news about some top tier progamers swapping teams :O
- In Team A, there are two players, B and C who have joined the transfer market. These two players performed just as well this season as the previous season, but because their team did not make it to the post season, they received a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. [note, original korean did not specify a gender]
Team A ended up being Samsung. B and C being Stork and Jangbi. Samsung recontracted January and all their players.
- Team D is looking to recruit player B, and Team E is also looking to recruit player B and C. Meanwhile, Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get player B. Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player B.
Team D was Woongjin. Team F is MBC. G is Sea. None of this happened because Samsung recontracted.
- Team F, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Coach J, who has coached in Team I before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Teams with weak Zerg: KT, SKT Teams with weak Terran: STX, Woongjin
Potential for Team A: Woongjin, Hite, Samsung, Estro (Teams that didnt make Post season)
Its not Hite since Hite doesnt have two good players. It's not Estro since Action wasn't good until later that year, and Estro is Team I
So, Team A is Woongjin or Samsung. Samsung has great, Jangbi, Stork. I can see January quitting over Stork and great.... hrm. If Woongjin, it'd be Free and Zero...
Apparently January showed up at Stork's match on 9/1. As a manager? Or just because she cares? If it's not January... then. hrm....
I'd think A is Samsung, who else didn't qualify for PO's and has 2 good players? It's either them or Woongjin, but Zero/Free aren't good enough for swapping aces for any team. But stork definitely is.
On September 07 2010 15:04 ArvickHero wrote: Wait, couldn't Manager H be Coach Cho, who retired recently? I don't know any others that have retired recently.. Oz didn't make post-season either..
Nope, cause F is likely to be Oz, and Manager Cho left before his contract ended.
On September 07 2010 15:04 Lightwip wrote: I'd think A is Samsung, who else didn't qualify for PO's and has 2 good players? It's either them or Woongjin, but Zero/Free aren't good enough for swapping aces for any team. But stork definitely is.
Khan was in playoff in 08-09. Seems like A can only be woongjin
wait is it they didn't make it to post season this year or in both?
That's impossible. We don't know who lives next to who, their favorite colors, or what kind of pet they own. ^_^
lol this is the first thing I thought of when i read the article actually
On September 07 2010 15:08 Lightwip wrote: F being Oz is somewhat doubtful because I don't see them wanting to trade Jaedong for any reason ever. He's the only reason they ever were successful.
Hiya could be considered as an Ace too, though.
As I've said, F being Oz comes from the article that literally came right before this article, and it fits all the pieces.
Actually, I think A is woongjin and D is either SKT or KT, more likely SKT because their zergs just failed them in the PO's. Woongjin almost made playoffs until their team kinda failed in the end. Zero is player B, C is free. If H is Oz, Jaedong is their ace. D wants to bolster their weakest lineup, which is zerg. Both players are zerg. One big flaw in this reasoning is why would Oz trade Jaedong.
Well, thinking of the top 2 players per team and the ace player of each team would help. I listed what I think the Ace players are for all teams first, and then top 2 for the bottom 5.
SKT - Fantasy KT - Flash CJ - Effort STX - Calm or Kal, not sure Wemade - Baby MBC - Sea or Light, both are same race anyways. Oz - Jaedong and Hiya Hite - Leta and..? Stars - Zero and Free eStro - Really and Action Khan - Stork and Jangbi
Now team D wants to buy both Players B and G, one of the top two players of team A and an ace player of another team, so they both must be of the same race. If Kal is defined as STX's ace, then it makes Stork a possible Player B candidate. If Calm is the defined Ace, then it cannot be Stork.
Free and zero have pretty different win ratios and Stork Jangbi have nearly identical percentages from both seasons.
Great's win percentages are also quite different
Team D, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only player B but also player G.
Does the direct korean imply G and B are same race? If so then F can't be oz
F might be stx. They couldn't get through the playoffs so picking up another coach would make sense. Then G could be Kal and stx is looking to pick up stork
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
Maybe Oz's ace is Backho? He's the protoss ace and can be probably used in an ace match if it's something like vs Light while JD is slumping. Poor stork. Uh, MBC or WMF could be D then.
Doesn't make sense that Team D would bolster their weakest race lineup with both Player B and Player G (If Player G is an ace from Oz, Player B could not be Protoss).
Doesn't make sense that Team D would bolster their weakest race lineup with both Player B and Player G (If Player G is an ace from Oz, Player B could not be Protoss).
EDIT: Could also be what Lightwip said.
I think an interpretation is they want Player G to bolster their weakest line up, so they want Player G in addition to Player B (which they want for other reasons)
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
Considering Jaedong never wants to leave Oz (he stayed there during FA ffs), G is likely Hiya.
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
I can't see Oz trading Jaedong for anyone. Oz is nothing without him. Jaedong Oz and all.
지각 2번 했다구 벌금이 30만원.. 두번 다 합쳐서 20분도 안늦었는데... 휴...~~ 짜증나는군 ㅠㅠ 30 won (around 300USD) for being late twice...i wasn't even 20 minutes late combined...darn..~~it ticks me off T_T
Though the knowledge Milkis has pretty much discredits it, my first thought was:
Oz = A Jaedong/Hiya? =B/C
Though the players are definitely on a different skill level, even if you were only to consider team leagues (Hiya has a 57% win rate to Jaedong's 69%.)
I'd say that right or wrong, B definitely has to be a high level player, since so many teams want him and one team is even willing to trade their ace.
Once again, this was all first thought stuff, and after looking at the team rosters, I don't really think this anymore.
But Team D = WeMade (they no longer have arguably the weakest Zerg lineup, but short of raping antiteams/P, I wouldn't call Roro/Shine the best players.) Going by everything else, Team F = Stars (Zero = G)
H would be Oz's Cho, and the dates would kind of work, had he not technically handed his resignation in two weeks beforehand.
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
I can't see Oz trading Jaedong for anyone. Oz is nothing without him. Jaedong Oz and all.
Oz would still have PirateZerg though~
I guess the alternate interpretation that doesn't require B and G to be the same race makes more sense... but I still think B is great and C is Stork. Milkis' suggestion of Killer as Oz's "ace" would let this theory still fly. IT MUST FLY.
This isn't FA, so how does this procedure work? Is it just a contract swap? Or is it something like "give me a player of similar value to our own" and then entirely new contracts are signed?
On speculation, I think Team D could potentially be Wemade. They have an anemic protoss lineup and a Zerg lineup that often times crumbles under pressure (roro in ace matches). They certainly have the cash to sign any new contract they want (which is why I discount teams like MBC, Hite, Estro as team D, I just don't think they have the players to trade and the capital to spend).
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
I can't see Oz trading Jaedong for anyone. Oz is nothing without him. Jaedong Oz and all.
Oz would still have PirateZerg though~
I guess the alternate interpretation that doesn't require B and G to be the same race makes more sense... but I still think B is great and C is Stork. Milkis' suggestion of Killer as Oz's "ace" would let this theory still fly. IT MUST FLY.
Don't forget, PizateZerg, MoustacheZerg, and OzSucksBallsWithoutMe are too nervous to play unless Jaedong encourages them. Great can't be B because no one would trade their ace for him. He's not good enough.
Keep in mind that both B and C should have the same record for both ProLeague seasons. Stork and Jangbi fit the bill nicely (the record of the 2 seasons are within 1%), great not so (60 vs 45 %). Also free was a widely different record, so A should be Khan. So it would make sense that Stork is B and Jangbi is C. If we then assume F is Oz, then they would want to trade away Hiya (their second ace). So D has to be a team with a weak Terran line up. Off the top of my hat, these would be Hite, STX and WeMade (?).
On September 07 2010 15:52 Chaosquo wrote: So D has to be a team with a weak Terran line up. Off the top of my hat, these would be Hite, STX and WeMade.
On September 07 2010 15:52 Chaosquo wrote: So D has to be a team with a weak Terran line up. Off the top of my hat, these would be Hite, STX and WeMade.
On September 07 2010 15:36 moopie wrote: Khan without Stork or Jangbi would fall apart further than they already have. fbh is so much fail, and great would make a terrible Ace.
FBH leaves for ace and 2 others, likely Stork, are planning to leave. If team A is Khan and they give up 2 more players they'll probably be the worst team in proleague.
On September 07 2010 16:26 sluggaslamoo wrote: Stork and Jangbi should move to SKT for the lulz, SKT would become Protoss All-Stars and would ironically be the best team in the league.
Jangbi or Best would probably never get to play though.
On September 07 2010 15:39 deconduo wrote: Oz with Jaedong and Stork would be pretty awesome though.
Yeah, but no Hiya is =(
Yeah Jaedong, Stork, Hiya and Killer would be a pretty awesome lineup considering how well Hiya has been playing recently and that Killer has improved shitloads in the last year.
On September 07 2010 15:52 Chaosquo wrote: So D has to be a team with a weak Terran line up. Off the top of my hat, these would be Hite, STX and WeMade.
- In Team KHAN, there are two players, Stork and Jangbi who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Team D is looking to recruit player Stork, and Team E is also looking to recruit player Stork and Jangbi. Meanwhile, Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get player B. Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player Stork. - Team KHAN's Manager January had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with Samsung's main players, Stork and Jangbi. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager January, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. [note, original korean did not specify a gender] - Team F, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Coach J, who has coached in Team I before. They are currently negotiating.
Omitting the coaching improvements, as they are unconnected.
Assuming A = Samsung, B = Stork, C = Jangbi, the most important question is who the teams are.
The most interconnected statements are: - Team F would trade its ace player G in order to get B (Stork); Team D is looking at G in order to bolster their weakest race lineup.
Who has severely lacking race lineups? Who would trade their ace player? The one team that comes to my mind that would get rid of their ace player might be WeMade. WeMade doesn't have a distinct ace player and Baby failed to deliver in the playoffs. But would they really trade away their greatest talent? Also it's possible that G is merely "a" Ace player, so it could be Hwaseung's Hiya. Trading Hiya for Stork would make sense.
In any case, since most teams have Terran aces, and since G is an ace player, it makes me think that team D is Woongjin stars. They would really benefit from another good Protoss and their Terran lineup is terrible.
WeMade being E would make sense. Their Protoss lineup is subpar, besides a sometimes well-performing Pure. Also, the two teams that have shown most activity in transfers, besides the telecommunication ones, have been WeMade and Woongjin, and both have been on the rise. MBC usually uses its own talent. Samsung and Hwaseung have been stagnant. eSTRO and hite underfunded and unsuccessful
So, conjecture: D= Woongjin E= Wemade F= Hwaseung G= Hiya
Hmm, I read it 5 times now, and I am still like WTF =)
just want to say one thing, If team F really is OZ, the player is JD. I mean, talking about Hyia, he played like one ace match the whole season - calling him an Ace player is a bit too much. Altough I agree that it would be stupid if OZ considered selling JD to get Stork.
I think all things considered it's pretty damn certain that team A is Samsung; the big indicator for me is the use of gender-neutral pronouns when describing the associated coach - in casual and speculative language people aren't too worried about throwing around the word "he" unless it's completely wrong.
On another note, team E being interested in both players really suggests, if they are indeed interested in housing both players, a team with room to grow - my money's on Hite (and their 6 man A-team).
- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team - Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong. - Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. - Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek. Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite. Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season). Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.
What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.
EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory
Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.
Considering Jaedong never wants to leave Oz (he stayed there during FA ffs), G is likely Hiya.
Or maybe Killer, he did play 3 ace matches
Yeah I don't think they would trade Jaedong. I don't want them to trade Hiya either don't' care about killer as he's not much of a killer (oh yes a great joke I made)
Team E is also looking to recruit player Stork and Jangbi.
Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get Stork.
Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player Stork.
Unless they simply use ace to refer to any of their main players (which just sounds weird), it makes no sense for it to be Hwaseung. Even if it did and G was, infact, Hiya, that wouldn't really improve Oz much. You'd lose your only good Terran to go from 2.5 players back to 2.5 players, even if those 2.5 were a little better than before.
I'm sold on A being Khan and B/C Jangbi. The possible teams here are: CJ Entus eSTRO & Hite Hwaseung Oz KT Rolster MBCGame Hero SKT STX WeMade Woongjin
The wording makes me think that Player G is not Protoss. The Zerg aces are Jaedong and Effort and neither of them will be traded. There's also Zero and Calm who are a close 2nd on their teams, but the #1 on each is a protoss. It seems unwise for those teams to unbalance their lineup by trading either of them. Thus, I feel Player G is a Terran.
-CJ has a strong Snow and a slumping Movie. They also have a reasonably strong Skyhigh, plus Effort. They don't really have a clear weakest race, although T would be the closest. Trading Effort nets them no gain. They could be D, if anything.
-Hite and eSTRO have practically no budget, so I can't see either of them being in the running here. I could see these two teams coughing up their ace, but there would still be no other good players, so this wouldn't really improve either team.
-Hwaseung Oz got back Backho, but otherwise they have no good P. Protoss is their weakest race, but there's no way in hell Jaedong gets traded. If Hiya is considered an ace (I disagree), then the trade just changes the team balance from ZTZ to ZPZ. They'd be better, but still unbalanced. They'd be a very strong candidate for E. Picking up both players would make Oz a top powerhouse, but I don't feel like Oz has a big enough budget for them. D doesn't really fit since T isn't their weakest.
-KT has an emerging Tempest, an unreliable Violet, and a strong Stats for protoss. Their weakest race is Zerg, currently. They need a Zerg, if anything. They already have a pretty full roster, so I don't think KT is in this.
-MBCGame is a team who I'd consider highly likely to trade their ace. Light and Sea overlap each other immensely and neither has really seemed to excel since Light's dominance back in WL. It seems that if MBC were to drop a Terran and pick up a P, they'd be much better off. If Player G is a Terran, as suggested, then it's unlikely that they're D. They could be an E, but I peg them very high as an F.
-SKT has no need for Protoss.
-STX has Kal as an ace, so it's highly unlikely that they're F. Shuttle was doing pretty well a few months back, but his performance dropped a bit more recently. STX is missing a Terran more than anything, so they seem a strong candidate for a D and possibly (but I feel less likely) to be E. Getting Stork and a T would made STX extremely balanced and very strong. You'd have Stork, Kal and Calm, plus a solid T, whereas currently you have a slumping kal and calm and no Terran. This would really fit STX well.
-WeMade has about 500 Terran. If G is Terran, then they aren't D. P is their weakest race, so I could see them being an E. Unless they think Baby is never going to break his slump, it seems weird for them to be an F.
-Woongjin has no good Terran and just Free as a reliable P, so they're a good candidate for D. Trading P ace for P ace or making your team 2 P ace with no good T and only 1 somewhat-good Z just seems foolish, so F is unlikely. Maybe E, but just for one.
The only unclear thing is if E wants both players or just one of two, as long as they get one.
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote: Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...
If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote: Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...
If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]
Great doesn't really make sense. He did much better last year than the one before that; the article says the players in question did similarly well.
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote: Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...
If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]
Great doesn't really make sense. He did much better last year than the one before that; the article says the players in question did similarly well.
Yeah i'm pretty much convinced its Stork and Jangbi. I was kinda just expressing how I'm also a fan of great and that if he also were to leave i wouldnt have anyone to root for on Khan.
Wow we sure can get so much entertainment by speculating over such a sketchy framework, haha. But yeah given that the draft was so tiny (and no changes from FA), if teams want to get different results for this coming season they have to trade.
On September 07 2010 16:26 sluggaslamoo wrote: Stork and Jangbi should move to SKT for the lulz, SKT would become Protoss All-Stars and would ironically be the best team in the league.
Jangbi or Best would probably never get to play though.
Without a race rule I'm sure SKT wouldn't mind playing more protosses if they performed. Best at least has been performing very well, and if the maps aren't unfriendly to protoss next season they might bump another one of their zergs if they really did recruit the pair.
But with Canata's fall from grace SKT could use a Terran too, and not just a strong Zerg.
On September 07 2010 23:51 Zona wrote: Wow we sure can get so much entertainment by speculating over such a sketchy framework, haha. But yeah given that the draft was so tiny (and no changes from FA), if teams want to get different results for this coming season they have to trade.
On September 07 2010 16:26 sluggaslamoo wrote: Stork and Jangbi should move to SKT for the lulz, SKT would become Protoss All-Stars and would ironically be the best team in the league.
Jangbi or Best would probably never get to play though.
Without a race rule I'm sure SKT wouldn't mind playing more protosses if they performed. Best at least has been performing very well, and if the maps aren't unfriendly to protoss next season they might bump another one of their zergs if they really did recruit the pair.
But with Canata's fall from grace SKT could use a Terran too, and not just a strong Zerg.
Fantasy is still holding the SKT terran line quite solidly, while Bisu has seemingly retreated into nowhere and Best is performing well. Hyuk,s2,and the last zerg( i forgot x.x) could suddenly perform well and then fail much, so i dunno. But i guess basically SKT is pretty fine with Fantasy being a solid ace,just that he needs to brush up on his bio TvZ -.-
Could anyone tell me why they put it as a puzzle in the first place ? Why not just say it outright who is who ? Are those information come from an official source or is it just speculation ?
On September 08 2010 00:03 mimikami wrote: Could anyone tell me why they put it as a puzzle in the first place ? Why not just say it outright who is who ? Are those information come from an official source or is it just speculation ?
I am confused...
Because they dont know it, haha.
Woow this is exciting
REMEMBER! That the team who might recruit a zerg might be KT since they have a weak zergline?
Imo Zero joins KT <3 (he allready is on good footings with flash)
So wait... We have a likely scenario where Stork plays with JD on Oz??? HOLY FUCK!!! My two favorite players on one team, way too good to be true. Honestly though it seems a bit ridiculous that Khan would trade Stork for Hiya.. Seems more realistic if they trade Stork for JD and it wouldnt be such a bad idea from Oz who needs a toss badly and might feel like Killer is ready to step up as the next JD (lol facepalm).
Gosh... if Stork and JangBi as players B/C leave Khan and - perhaps more importantly - this implies that January as Manager H also leaves Khan I will totally change favourites. I feel sorry for great/Juni/Chavi and TurN, but I liked the abovementioned three too much to stay with Khan. Man, they would have a more than shaky lineup next season... Really bad news for me, but as it stands it might be good news for Stork and JangBi... Ah well...
And yes, JD/Stork would be so awesome... just imagine...
Team A = Samsung Player B = Stork Player C = JangBi Team D = KT (wouldn't that be scary?) Team E: Hite Team F: Hwaseung Player G: Hiya
Additional thoughts... Team F could also be MBC, didn't they just lose Coach Lee to SC2? It'd make sense for them to want to trade Sea or Light for Stork. Swapping one of their twin terrans for a protoss would be beneficial. Team E could be Hwaseung, they currently have practically no Protoss line, so it would make sense for them to want both JangBi and Stork.
On September 08 2010 01:05 Soulsplitter wrote: Gosh... if Stork and JangBi as players B/C leave Khan and - perhaps more importantly - this implies that January as Manager H also leaves Khan I will totally change favourites. I feel sorry for great/Juni/Chavi and TurN, but I liked the abovementioned three too much to stay with Khan. Man, they would have a more than shaky lineup next season... Really bad news for me, but as it stands it might be good news for Stork and JangBi... Ah well...
And yes, JD/Stork would be so awesome... just imagine...
Edit: Typo
Ah i have the same feelings but overall its gonna be pretty bad argh
werent the ones that were on FA the ones that could get a transfer? i still dont know why there is so much speculation I dont believe that stork will get transfered its khans best player FBH isnt playing for them and great and jangbi are good but not as good as stork.. its very unlikely some of the stuff you are saying. The teams are looking for a way to spend less money not more buying players is quite hard, and when did Jaedong try to leave Oz in this past season he always wanted to stay even in that FA mess he still wanted to stay.
On September 08 2010 01:30 Gann1 wrote: Here are my guesses based on reading this thread.
Team A = Samsung Player B = Stork Player C = JangBi Team D = KT (wouldn't that be scary?) Team E: Hite Team F: Hwaseung Player G: Hiya
Additional thoughts... Team F could also be MBC, didn't they just lose Coach Lee to SC2? It'd make sense for them to want to trade Sea or Light for Stork. Swapping one of their twin terrans for a protoss would be beneficial. Team E could be Hwaseung, they currently have practically no Protoss line, so it would make sense for them to want both JangBi and Stork.
My thought, too, I'd say that free / zero performed equaly for the part of the season i watched =)
If Team F is indeed OZ and JD is their ace that they want to trade and either stork or jangbi get into OZ... my world will be crushed and I will shed one emotional tear as my enthusiasm for following the proscene will most likely wither away.
I've always been optimistic that this year is not the end of brood war, but if the changes stated above prove to be true, it might as well be (for me). </3
On September 08 2010 03:24 Gann1 wrote: i wouldnt worry about that. if F is indeed Oz, then the "ace" is almost certainly Hiya, not Jaedong.
I'm going to agree with this speculation. Oz without JD is... well I'm not sure you can really expect them to be winning anything anytime soon unless the trade is equally "omfg" level.
And the end result? Nothing happens. Hyuk goes to Oz to bolster their Zerg lineup.
If this free agency/transfer thing does amount to something, then SC will seem more like a real sport along those lines. Though I do hate splitting people up as players do become family by living together for such a long time =(
On September 08 2010 08:52 Zozo wrote: If G is Hiya we would no longer be able to call it Jaedong OZ, instead, it would either be Stong OZ or JANGBOSS
baller.
Naw it would still be Jaedong Oz. Last I checked JD and Flash were still in a completely differant tier by themselves and Jangbi isnt even a top 10 player. Maybe Jaedork Oz would be ok though lol. Stork is beast and probably 3rd best player atm.
At first I was worried that team A was Woongjin, but this topic has convinced me that's Samsung. Now I'm just really hoping that team D is Woongjin, team F is Hite, and player G is Leta, because Leta on Stars would be awesome.
On September 08 2010 08:52 Zozo wrote: If G is Hiya we would no longer be able to call it Jaedong OZ, instead, it would either be Stong OZ or JANGBOSS
baller.
Naw it would still be Jaedong Oz. Last I checked JD and Flash were still in a completely differant tier by themselves and Jangbi isnt even a top 10 player. Maybe Jaedork Oz would be ok though lol. Stork is beast and probably 3rd best player atm.
I'd say fantasy is ahead of stork for 3rd best right now
On September 08 2010 08:52 Zozo wrote: If G is Hiya we would no longer be able to call it Jaedong OZ, instead, it would either be Stong OZ or JANGBOSS
baller.
Naw it would still be Jaedong Oz. Last I checked JD and Flash were still in a completely differant tier by themselves and Jangbi isnt even a top 10 player. Maybe Jaedork Oz would be ok though lol. Stork is beast and probably 3rd best player atm.
I'd say fantasy is ahead of stork for 3rd best right now
We already knew some team was thinking about disbanding. The consensus was eSTRO, since they were the team 2nd worst hit by the scandal, and hite's still OGN's team in a lot of senses so that wasn't happening.
But this is almost making me think (be afraid) that it was KHAN. I'll work through the logic later, though everybody else has already, but... eh. I'm worried now.
On September 08 2010 14:30 Musoeun wrote: We already knew some team was thinking about disbanding. The consensus was eSTRO, since they were the team 2nd worst hit by the scandal, and hite's still OGN's team in a lot of senses so that wasn't happening.
But this is almost making me think (be afraid) that it was KHAN. I'll work through the logic later, though everybody else has already, but... eh. I'm worried now.
I dearly hope it's not Khan. Not only do I like Khan a lot as a team, but also Samsung is a pretty big sponsor.
If team D is looking to add B or G to bolster their weakest race, dosen't that mean that C is of a different race? I think that A is stars and B and C Zero and Free (which is which is unclear). F is a team with 1) a non terran ace 2)a bad coaching staff; stx (with G being kal or calm) or khan (with stork). So D is a team with a weakness at protoss or zerg and the resorces to hold another ace; either kt mbc or skt (if G is calm) or mbc alone (if G is kal or stork). so 2 posibilities A)stars/stars B)zero/free C)free/zero D)(mbc or kt or skt)/mbc E)any team besides ace and stars F)stx/(stx or khan) G)calm/(kal or stork)
Since Air Force ACE is not involved with trades, that means A is one of:
Woongjin Stars Hwaseung OZ Samsung KHAN eSTRO hite sparkyz
Detail: The team is floating "two main players", at least one ace caliber, who had similar records the last two years.
eSTRO: Really (B) and hyvaa (C). hite sparkyz: Leta (B) and HoGiL (C). Hwaseung OZ: Jaedong (B) and HiyA (C). Samsung KHAN: Stork (B) and Jangbi (C). Woongjin Stars: free (B) and Guemchi (C).
Stars' ZerO and Kwanro are both tradable, but both performed much better this year than last, eliminating them from consideration in this case. Guemchi is only a borderline "main" player, but with over 30 games I'm counting him for the purposes of argument.
Since either hite or Hwaseung would essentially be committing suicide with these players leaving, and given what we know about teams' control over their players, I think we can eliminate them from the list. The same may be true of eSTRO, except for the following considerations: 1) management may consider Action to be their up-and-coming ace; 2) eSTRO was the consensus in popular opinion when it was announced a team was disbanding, so this "suicide" may not actually matter; 3) Really only emerged as an ace-caliber player last year, and is still around .500 for his career - if sold to a weak T team, eSTRO might actually be able to improve.
That leaves
eSTRO: Really (B) and hyvaa (C). Samsung KHAN: Stork (B) and Jangbi (C). Woongjin Stars: free (B) and Guemchi (C).
Obviously, the question is who needs these players? The major interested parties: D, E, F.
D is a team weak at B's race, also looking at G from team F. E is looking at picking up B and C. F is considering trading an ace G for B.
Nothing is specified about C, implying that C may be a different race than B. If this is true, then KHAN and Woongjin are not A. Then Really is B.
In this scenario, D is most likely Woongjin. F could in this case be Hwaseung OZ (HiyA) or MBCGame (Light or Sea). E in this case is one of STX, KT, or SKT, all of whom buy players somewhat regularly
Alternatively, D is STX. While they pick up players regularly, they tend to do it cheap - see Frozean last year - and Really is a huge improvement over any Terran they have without being too expensive. F in this case is probably Woongjin, who could reasonably trade either ZerO or Kwanro for Really and have a vastly improved team. E remains likely to be KT or SKT, with an outside chance that it's OZ.
I consider this to be the most likely situation. eSTRO management has been anything but stable over the years, they had issues with the match-fixing scandal, and may be more affected by Gretech than the other corporations who aren't in the esports business themselves.
We do have to consider than KHAN or Stars may be A. Ordinarily I would say that Stars are most likely, as they're both active traders and didn't have the greatest salaries before under Hanbit. Woongjin bought the team, and they've underperformed after Woongjin started paying more, so there would certainly be reason to cut salaries. On the other hand, Woongjin's had no particular coaching tensions that I know about, and free has been with Woongjin forever even with bad players and little pay, so in this case KHAN is more likely to be A.
Regardless, since free for Stork is an essentially pointless trade - they're the two best Protoss atm, differing mainly in style, we can assume KHAN and Woongjin will not be trading with each other, and apply the same considerations to both possibilities.
In either case, D is a team with a weak Protoss line. This eliminates CJ, KT, MBC (han), SKT, and STX, leaving as possibilities eSTRO, hite, OZ, and WeMade. eSTRO rarely, if ever, trades to get players, and has a potential star in Flying while Grape has also looked strong at times. Oz is an active trader, bu Anytime will be out of the Air Force soon, and Anytime/BackHo is good enough that an ace Protoss is probably unnecessary. hite does sometimes trade and also needs to rebuild, but Horang2 has developed into a go-to player this year; he's got nothing behind him, but given the usual format a 2nd Terran or a good Zerg would seem to be the biggest priority for them.
So the strongest candidate is probably WeMade: they went out last year and got Midas, and are one really good Protoss away from greatness. Let's call WeMade D.
E is probably SKT. I mean, who else just "recruits" players all the time? And neither Bisu nor BeSt are really really solid atm. But E is not the biggest concern.
F is the tricky one. In this scenario, they have an ace Protoss, but are willing to trade him to get another one. STX could fit here, as Calm is their major ace but Kal still plays an ace role; SKT is a possibility if they're willing to give up Bisu for, say, Stork. It pretty much has to be one of these two: Woongjin and KHAN trading makes no sense at all, as mentioned above; CJ. MBC, and WeMade all have a good Protoss, but not an ace (and besides, I'm guessing here that WeMade is D); OZ, hite, eSTRO, don't have Protoss aces by any stretch of the imagination. KT has two ace-caliber Protoss, but neither plays an ace role.
Of the two, I'd say the most likely F is STX: Kal has a bad tendency to lose ace games, making either Stork or free just that little bit of an upgrade that could get them to a grand final. Meanwhile, since Kal is just that little bit worse, A might be willing to do it to reduce the salary. (Note: I thought Kal had a pretty good salary by progamer standards, so maybe this is nonsense.)
Musoeun's Most Likely Scenario:
Team A: eSTRO Player B: Really Player C: hyvaa Team D: Woongjin Stars Team E: STX or SKT, possibly KT or OZ Team F: MBCGame; possibly Hwaseung OZ; (unlikely) WeMade. Player G: Light/Sea; HiyA; Mind
Alternative Details: A, B, C, F, G the same Team D: STX SouL Team E: SKT, OZ
The Other Main Scenario Team A: Samsung KHAN OR Woongjin Stars Player B: Stork; free Player C: Jangbi; Guemchi Team D: WeMade Fox Team E: SKT, OZ, KT - the big spenders Team F: STX SouL Player G: Kal
EDIT: And now I read the comments carefully and notice that maybe B/G aren't the same race after all. Well I don't care enough to spend another hour revising this.
I think it wasn't clarified, and it sounds ambiguous in English, so maybe some Korean can clarify - does this:
On September 07 2010 14:52 Milkis wrote: These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season
mean that the players had similar records to each other, and not necessarily one season was similar to another, or the other way around, similar seasons, but different for each player? I thought it's the former, but I see some people take this as the latter.
Team A could be Oz. I know Jaedong is loyal to oz (not wanting to leave in FA) but everything else fits. Oz didn't make the playoffs with Jaedong and Hiya having similar individual performances in each of the last 2 seasons. Oz proved they are pretty cheap with the salaries (Jaedong getting that pretty low contract for what he's really worth last season). Coach Cho could be manager H - the timing of his resignation is about right. The "going home to rest" fits pretty well with the short interview he did. If I remember right he thought Jaedong should have been offered more money last season (this could be wrong though - just the way I remember it) which would fit in with arguing against the salary cuts.
The only part that doesn't really seem to fit would be Jaedong looking to move to another team. Who knows though - he looked substantially pissed off at teammates (especially Killer) at points this season. Also being low balled to just get his salary cut further may have been the straw to break the camels back. I don't have time to try to guess at the whole scenario right now - maybe I'll take a stab at it tonight if I remember.
On September 09 2010 04:25 hacklebeast wrote: Jaedong was a combined 78-34 while Hiya was 42-35 how are those similar?
There are two ways of interpreting it. The first is the 2 players performed similar to eachother in a given season. The other is too compare the results of the players results from the two seasons; comparing jaedongs 08-09 to 09-10 and hiya's 08-09 to 09-10. It doesn't mean the same players were similar to eachother - they were just similar to their previous year. That's interpretation I used.
On September 09 2010 02:23 ZBiR wrote: I think it wasn't clarified, and it sounds ambiguous in English, so maybe some Korean can clarify - does this:
On September 07 2010 14:52 Milkis wrote: These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season
mean that the players had similar records to each other, and not necessarily one season was similar to another, or the other way around, similar seasons, but different for each player? I thought it's the former, but I see some people take this as the latter.
Basically what Zbir said. The way it is currently stated could be interpreted two ways.
On September 09 2010 04:25 hacklebeast wrote: Jaedong was a combined 78-34 while Hiya was 42-35 how are those similar?
There are two ways of interpreting it. The first is the 2 players performed similar to eachother in a given season. The other is too compare the results of the players results from the two seasons; comparing jaedongs 08-09 to 09-10 and hiya's 08-09 to 09-10. It doesn't mean the same players were similar to eachother - they were just similar to their previous year. That's interpretation I used.
On September 09 2010 02:23 ZBiR wrote: I think it wasn't clarified, and it sounds ambiguous in English, so maybe some Korean can clarify - does this:
On September 07 2010 14:52 Milkis wrote: These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season
mean that the players had similar records to each other, and not necessarily one season was similar to another, or the other way around, similar seasons, but different for each player? I thought it's the former, but I see some people take this as the latter.
Basically what Zbir said. The way it is currently stated could be interpreted two ways.
it's the latter interpretation. let me rephrase it i guess
Oh the logic. So interesting. I want to see how this ends up. If stork, jangbi, and january leaves khan, and with fbh leaving for military service, it'll be pointless to watch khan anymore.
A was a non-playoff team, and obviously not ace. B and C each have had similar records for their last two seasons. B is an ace-class player. This gives the possibilities:
A. eSTRO B. Really C. hyvaa A hite sparkyz B. Leta C. HoGiL A. Hwaseung OZ B. Jaedong C. HiyA A. Samsung KHAN B. Stork C. Jangbi A. Woongjin Stars B. free C. Guemchi
Hwaseung is by far the least likely, unless - which has not even begun to be rumored - the team is disbanding. As one of the superstars of the game, Jaedong has to be good for advertising.publicity, so I consider it very unlikely that the team is being disbanded or even sold. So I think we can assume not Hwaseung.
hite sparkyz, while hit hard by the match-fixing scandal and now branded as hite, is still owned by OGN. Depending on OGN's SC2 arrangements, it might make sense for sparkyz to be disbanding to make room for an SC2 team, but there has been no announcement of any SC2 proleague, so this is very unlikely as well - unless there is a 100% transfer to SC2, OGN will probably keep the team, and hite is also invested in other esports if I remember correctly.
Woongjin Stars would have definite reason to be looking to revamp the team. However, getting rid of free - arguably the top Protoss over the last months - doesn't make much sense unless they could get Flash, Jaedong, or Leta - no. Guemchi also isn't great trade-bait: WL bonjwa or no, he's a .500 player overall in PL, in the historically weakest race.
Samsung KHAN is clearly in some flux, and has been ever since January's marriage. If January is resigning/has resigned, it would not be surprising to see Stork and Jangbi - who have the necessary cred to do it - leaving, especially if Samsung doesn't want to pay. On the other hand, KHAN has been together so long, and so rarely trades, that this would be a radical departure from the norm.
eSTRO has had all sorts of issues. They've had talent but not really performed. They were also hit hard by the scandal. They've had coaching issues in the past. If management is looking to revamp the team, Really and hyvaa are the last "big names" (as much as that applies) from the pre-scandal era, and with Really being a Terran near-ace, they could probably get solid compensation for him from a Terran-weak team, of which there are several. This all makes them the most likely.
I therefore rank the scenarios for A/B/C as:
1. A. eSTRO B. Really C. hyvaa 2. Samsung KHAN B. Stork C. Jangbi --- 3. A. Woongjin Stars B. free C. Guemchi --- --- 4. A. hite sparkyz B. Leta C. HoGiL --- --- --- 5. A. Hwaseung OZ B. Jaedong C. HiyA
"---"-breaks indicate that these are getting progressively less and less probable.
The key to the riddle, I think, is Team F with Player G. G is an "ace" or main player, whom F is considering trading for B, also an ace player. I can envision the following scenarios:
I. F has multiple aces, and is looking to trade one to get a better racial balance. II. F has a low-paid ace, and is willing to pay a little more for a better player, while A is cutting budget. This involves speculating on financial information I don't have, so I'm going to ignore it and assume Scenario I is the case.
Scenario I. Teams that qualify for consideration as F in this scenario are: MBCGame HERO (Hyun(?), Light, Sea); Samsung KHAN (great, Jangbi, Stork); WeMade Fox (BaBy, Midas, RorO); Woongjin Stars (free, Kwanro, ZerO)
I'm rejecting the other teams as follows: CJ Entus - only one ace, EffOrt. Neither sKyHigh nor Movie are true ace players, both tending towards matchup-specialist roles. Snow doesn't have enough history yet. eSTRO - only one ace, Really. Action may be getting close, but hasn't challenged Really's hold yet. hite sparkyz - only one ace, Leta. Any questions? Hwaseung OZ - two ace-caliber players, but with a race split (Z/T) and no third. KT Rolster - three ace-caliber players (Flash, Stats, Violet) but neither Stats nor Violet are established enough for a sensible KT to want to trade either. If they were going to, they'd want a Z ace, meaning trading partners would be Woongjin, STX, or *maybe* KHAN, all of whom already have P aces. SK Telecom T1 - has three ace-caliber players, but would not be trading for a P or T ace. STX SouL - could use a Terran star to compliment Calm and Kal, but none of the scenarios make sense: Kal for Stork is equal; Calm for Stork gives STX fewer racial options; Kal or Calm for Really is clearly a downgrade.
We can classify these in two groups:
I.A: Would Trade for Really - Samsung KHAN. With firebathero leaving for ACE, and neither Turn nor Miracle looking like the answer, Stork for Really would actually make sense, especially if there's a new manager and/or Samsung is being cheap. - Woongjin Stars. While their double-Zerg ace threat with Kwanro and ZerO is pretty sweet, trading off Kwanro (whom they acquired from CJ in the first place) for a good Terran, which they desperately need, makes an amazing amount of sense.
I.B: Would Trade for Stork - MBCGame HERO. Again, Light-Sea is a nice dual-threat, but neither is either a real threat in individual leagues or a truly clutch ace player. Stork would provide both racial diversity - although han's coming along nicely - and give Samsung a good Terran. - WeMade FOX. Despite Pure's recent individual league success, he's proved repeatedly that he's not a solid Proleague player; LuCifer, acquired from KT, isn't amazing either. Trading either BaBy, who's never really become a steady player yet, or Midas, who was a transfer, to KHAN for Stork would make a lot of sense as well, since it would also give KHAN a good Terran.
All four of these scenarios make a certain amount of sense. Based on what we've seen, I don't think MBC is actually in the running: han has played too well, and MBC's coach seems, like old-style KHAN, to not really want to trade.
Two of theother scenarios involve KHAN trading Stork for a Terran player:
F. KHAN B. Really G. Stork F. Woongjin B. Really G. Kwanro/ZerO F. WeMade Fox B. Stork G. Midas/BaBy
The WeMade option makes the most sense from both team's point of view. WeMade made the playoffs this year with the addition of Midas; adding an ace-level Protoss would put them in contention for a top spot. They've displayed willingness to do what they have to, so this isn't beyond them. Meanwhile - have I said this before? - Samsung does really need a good Terran.
The KHAN option only makes sense as a "statement" move by eSTRO/IEG. While it would vastly improve their team - eSTRO would automatically become a contender - and the trade would also help KHAN, who don't have a good Terran, making the trade to acquire Stork in today's esports atmosphere would essentially be a big FU to Blizzard, saying that IEG is determined to stick with BW. Since IEG has never displayed that sort of go-get-'em attitude, I find this strikingly improbable.
The Woongjin option makes the most sense from Woongjin's point of view, but not so much from eSTRO's: even assuming Action becomes an ace player, dual-Zerg is nice but their present balance is better. On the other hand, both Kwanro and ZerO have been better overall than Really, so eSTRO might be willing to trade for a better player while Woongjin would accept a slightly worse one just to have a good Terran. I still think it feels unlikely.
So I am going to postulate the following configuration:
A. Samsung KHAN B. Stork C. Jangbi F. WeMade Fox G. BaBy
We also have D and E to identify. D in this scenario is looking at Stork and BaBy. E is looking at Stork and Jangbi.
Candidates for D - bringing in two ace players, different races, argues for a rebuilding team
eSTRO. I don't think eSTRO's management actually likes the idea of buying players enough to do it, but they really, really need an actual ace player. hite sparkyz. After the scandal, they need far more work than any other team to compete. Leta gives them an ace; if they brought in even one of these two, Horang2 and HoGiL are solid complimentary players that would make them truly scary. STX SouL. They keep making the playoffs, but they haven't succeeded yet. Management is willing to spend money, witness July, Frozean. They need a good Terran; BaBy (or Midas) would fit the bill nicely. Stork would compliment Kal amazingly - with Shuttle and that other dude, STX could suddenly pull an inverted-WeMade, go all-Protoss and win. Again, bringing in even one of these players would be a huge boost.
Candidates for E - looking at two Protoss argues for a team with a bad Protoss line
eSTRO. If they keep Really, either Stork or Jangbi would boost eSTRO into position as a solid contender. Both, and I'd have to root for eSTRO instead of KHAN, the team would be so awesome. Hwaseung OZ. Their only decent Protoss, BackHo, has injury issues and was never fantastic. Anytime will be back, but after ACE is no longer the ace player he was.
I really really think eSTRO is not in the running in all this trade talk: while they ought to be, given their team, IEG's never been proactive in managing the team, and I don't think they're going to start now that SC2 is in the equation. That reduces D and E down quickly, so we're left with the following identification:
A. Samsung KHAN B. Stork C. Jangbi D. STX SouL E. Hwaseung OZ F. WeMade Fox G. BaBy H. January
The rest is highly speculative, but I'll take some wild guesses.
I. SK Telecom T1 or KT Rolster - WeMade wants a Protoss coach to go with their new players. J. (some coach from SKT/KTR) K and L - no idea.
A. eSTRO B. Really C. hyvaa D. STX SouL E. KT Rolster F. Woongjin Stars G. ZerO
How I filled in D and E: who would want Really and hyvaa, who would want Really and ZerO? In either case you're looking at getting a Z/T combo, although hyvaa's a 2nd-stringer and ZerO's an ace. I would say Samsung KHAN could use these players the most, although with great establishing himself they're more likely to look at hyvaa than pay ZerO. STX is another possibility, since they need a Terran, and they may be considering strengthening their Zerg line since neither hero nor July are playing at a high level consistently (and July is rumored to be switching to SC2). They also have management willing to spend money, making them the most probable option.
E, in this scenario trying to get Really and ZerO, almost has to be one of the big spenders - KT Rolster or SK Telecom T1 - since most teams already have either a strong T or strong Z line. I lean towards KT, if only because ZerO's on good terms with Flash.
On September 10 2010 03:30 Musoeun wrote: YellOw rejoining KTR is automatically their best Zerg. HoeJJa and 815 just aren't good, and all the others are bad.
On the other hand he might make 815 / hoejja / firefist show potential? firefist was actually playing descent starcraft round 1 :o
- In Team A, there are two players, B and C who have joined the transfer market. These two players performed just as well this season as the previous season, but because their team did not make it to the post season, they received a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team
which is why your theory about really/hyvaa being most likely candidates for B and C don't hold
really and hyvaa have been doing terribly recently, and even if they got a pay cut, shouldn't really complain about it due to lack of results
i wonder why no one guessed hite for E, hite really needs the players now that it only has leta and horang2 as good/relatively decent players. also, they probably have the money to hire a few good players
On August 09 2010 00:34 Milkis wrote: Cause the source is super sketchy (lol T-ara fancafe), I'm blogging this. I'm not too sure how accurate this is overall
It would be terrible if Stork got a pay cut. It would definitely give Stork a reason to transfer
- In Team A, there are two players, B and C who have joined the transfer market. These two players performed just as well this season as the previous season, but because their team did not make it to the post season, they received a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team
which is why your theory about really/hyvaa being most likely candidates for B and C don't hold
really and hyvaa have been doing terribly recently, and even if they got a pay cut, shouldn't really complain about it due to lack of results
i wonder why no one guessed hite for E, hite really needs the players now that it only has leta and horang2 as good/relatively decent players. also, they probably have the money to hire a few good players
I didn't say Really and hyvaa are fantastic players: Really is a cut-rate ace (note: he was fantastic early in the season; when UpMagic and SangHo lost playtime due to the scandal, Really started losing again because he was the only player teams needed to beat. Action was a non-factor until about Round Five), while hyvaa generally plays at a 2nd-string Z level, much like HoeJJa behind Lux when that still happened.
However, since the criterion was correlation between seasons, here are the numbers I was looking at:
hyvaa's stats don't match up very well, but they're by far the closest correlation, other than Really, of any eSTRO player. Additionally, hyvaa lost playing time over the season to Action, and in the '09-'10 season faced good/ace players a huge number of times: in his entire season record he has no bad losses. Yes, he's a weak ZvZer on maps which aren't Battle Royale. (Question for analysis: does he favor a build which is strongest, or only strong, with a short air distance?) With all these considerations, his record is close enough that I was forced to consider the Really/hyvaa possibility in listing trade theories.
Overall, yes, hyvaa was worse this season record-wise, but played (imo) just as well. Really was better overall by his record, if not by much. In any case, I would argue that this counts as "just as well".
On September 10 2010 02:45 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: All this speculation... I'm going to laugh when just like last year in FA, nothing happens.
Stork and Jangbi says fuck you to Samsung, quits SC1 and go for GSL next month.
now that we're speculating, anything could happen right?
On September 10 2010 14:33 Plexa wrote: Jangbi is a waste on SKT Stork is a blessing on Oz
i remember there was a Race wars events is last couple of years, where the ace of different race team up against each other, and the Protoss team (Stork, Bisu, Best, Jangbi, Kal etc) got along pretty well saying they hope that they can live together some times...
On September 10 2010 14:31 Harem wrote: 01:22 +Milkis • uh apparnetly stork is thinking about oz 01:22 +Milkis • and jangbi is thinking about skt 01:22 +Milkis • "rumors"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.
Stork/Jaedong O_O
Jaedong vZ & vP Stork vT
Jangbi on SKT is ehhhh though... Really need 3 protoss? SKT should just pick up a good Z...
If Stork goes to Oz and Oz has Stork, Anytime, Hiya, BackHo, and Jaedong, that could be a pretty powerful team. They might have to trade one of them to get Stork though. Jangbi to SKT, well that could certainly be good. But I feel a zerg/Canata are going to get shafted because of this. Khan without a coach or its 2 protoss players will be worse than hite, who at least has Leta. But they pay so little, no wonder Stork/Jangbi want to leave. Also, if Oz gets the Jaedong/Stork duo, Bisu/Fantasy are gonna have to seriously step it up to compete.
On September 10 2010 14:31 Harem wrote: 01:22 +Milkis • uh apparnetly stork is thinking about oz 01:22 +Milkis • and jangbi is thinking about skt 01:22 +Milkis • "rumors"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.
Oh god please please please yes
I always feel torn about Stork cause I kinda like him but hate Khan. Him moving to my favorite team so I could feel good about liking him and giving Jaedong some backup would be pretty much the best thing ever.
On September 10 2010 14:31 Harem wrote: 01:22 +Milkis • uh apparnetly stork is thinking about oz 01:22 +Milkis • and jangbi is thinking about skt 01:22 +Milkis • "rumors"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.
nooo, please jangbi, choose mbc or maybe woongjin...
On September 10 2010 14:31 Harem wrote: 01:22 +Milkis • uh apparnetly stork is thinking about oz 01:22 +Milkis • and jangbi is thinking about skt 01:22 +Milkis • "rumors"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.
Stork going to Oz would be amazing (someone to actually back JD up). I don't think SKT really needs Jangbi though, but I wouldn't say no. With FBH gone, and Stork and Jangbi going what's going to happen to Khan?
On September 10 2010 14:31 Harem wrote: 01:22 +Milkis • uh apparnetly stork is thinking about oz 01:22 +Milkis • and jangbi is thinking about skt 01:22 +Milkis • "rumors"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.
err, how reliable is that information?
Stork on OZ would be so awesome.
Don't know what Jangbi wants with SKT though... playing third protoss after Best and Bisu?
On September 10 2010 14:33 Plexa wrote: Jangbi is a waste on SKT Stork is a blessing on Oz
i remember there was a Race wars events is last couple of years, where the ace of different race team up against each other, and the Protoss team (Stork, Bisu, Best, Jangbi, Kal etc) got along pretty well saying they hope that they can live together some times...
What I mean by a waste is that SKT already have Bisu/Best for Protoss - why do they need Jangbi?
On September 10 2010 14:33 Plexa wrote: Jangbi is a waste on SKT Stork is a blessing on Oz
i remember there was a Race wars events is last couple of years, where the ace of different race team up against each other, and the Protoss team (Stork, Bisu, Best, Jangbi, Kal etc) got along pretty well saying they hope that they can live together some times...
What I mean by a waste is that SKT already have Bisu/Best for Protoss - why do they need Jangbi?
Because he's better than them But seriously, it's wrong for Jangbi to go to SKT, I so hope he doesn't end up there.
On September 10 2010 14:33 Plexa wrote: Jangbi is a waste on SKT Stork is a blessing on Oz
i remember there was a Race wars events is last couple of years, where the ace of different race team up against each other, and the Protoss team (Stork, Bisu, Best, Jangbi, Kal etc) got along pretty well saying they hope that they can live together some times...
What I mean by a waste is that SKT already have Bisu/Best for Protoss - why do they need Jangbi?
Because he's better than them But seriously, it's wrong for Jangbi to go to SKT, I so hope he doesn't end up there.
Better than Bisu, only better than best pvz imo afaik.
I think Team D is either SKT or STX, partially because of the "weakest race lineup." I'm more inclined to think STX because they only have Bogus for their Terran line-up.
Stork on Oz would make Oz frightening as shit. Nobody else in the league has as strong a number 1/2...especially considering how well Stork played against Jaedong.
Closest would be Fantasy/Best I guess and they are still totally outclassed.
Yeah, PL was so close this past season that any big player trades are gonna make an enormous difference to the playoff contention. Stork + Jaedong + Hiya is easily the strongest 1 of each race threat in the league.
Samsung managed to recontract with January, Stork, and Jangbi.
Meanwhile, apparently...
"A progame team, with a strong zerg line, has agreed to trade their one of their strong Zerg players to another team, and is awaiting to announce it. Another progame team, is also very close to contracting with a new coach"
On September 13 2010 23:24 Milkis wrote: Samsung managed to recontract with January, Stork, and Jangbi.
Meanwhile, apparently...
"A progame team, with a strong zerg line, has agreed to trade their one of their strong Zerg players to another team, and is awaiting to announce it. Another progame team, is also very close to contracting with a new coach"
i bet its soulkey or zero. stars doesn't need soulkey/zero/kwanro, and kwanro was JUST traded.
On September 13 2010 23:24 Milkis wrote: Samsung managed to recontract with January, Stork, and Jangbi.
phew... I'm really relieved now that I read that. It's a shame we don't see JD/Stork/Hiya completely obliterating the rest of PL, but it's soooo great to see January-Khan back!!!
On September 14 2010 00:07 Hunch wrote: why dont they just go to sc2 already -_-
Because you don't change horse midstream. Especially when Blizzard's actually offering you a mule they claim is an epic mount and is getting all the WoW players to ride it.
- Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. [note, original korean did not specify a gender]
This is the tidbit I want information on the most. Kespa has made no effort to serve the interests of the players, who are basically vulnerable children. I have a lot of respect for this Manager H guy, who stood up for the kids he's taking care of and didn't take shit. I think what's lost in our fanboyism and love for the game is how much kids are exploited by this system. I want to see BW played at the highest level too, but I'd also love to see some rules limiting practice time, setting education standards, etc.
- Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. [note, original korean did not specify a gender]
This is the tidbit I want information on the most. Kespa has made no effort to serve the interests of the players, who are basically vulnerable children. I have a lot of respect for this Manager H guy, who stood up for the kids he's taking care of and didn't take shit. I think what's lost in our fanboyism and love for the game is how much kids are exploited by this system. I want to see BW played at the highest level too, but I'd also love to see some rules limiting practice time, setting education standards, etc.
Seems more and more like the two players are Stork and JangBi and the manager January
Edit: Wait, just read Milkis' post last page, Stork, JangBi and January are back on Khan?
On September 11 2010 01:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, PL was so close this past season that any big player trades are gonna make an enormous difference to the playoff contention. Stork + Jaedong + Hiya is easily the strongest 1 of each race threat in the league.
- Team D is looking to recruit player B, and Team E is also looking to recruit player B and C. Meanwhile, Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get player B. Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player B.
- Team F, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Coach J, who has coached in Team I before. They are currently negotiating. - Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.
Now we know that Team F is MBC (and so Team I is SKT) and that they wanted to trade either Sea/Light (player G) for Stork. But since Stork has recontracted, noone is going anywhere.
And so Team D is probably STX (or possible Woongjin).
Bah I am dissapointed =[ a few transfers would make things much more interesting and diversify that one-rece lineups a few teams are intent on fielding.
On September 11 2010 01:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, PL was so close this past season that any big player trades are gonna make an enormous difference to the playoff contention. Stork + Jaedong + Hiya is easily the strongest 1 of each race threat in the league.
FantaSy, Kwanro, BeSt
FantaSy >> HiyA Kwanro <<< Jaedong BeSt < Stork
Bisu >>> Killer
Actually I think It would be better if
Bisu=Jaedong Fantasy<Stork Best>>Hiya Kwanro>>>Everyone else on oZ
how about:
Fantasy = Jaedong Kwanro = Hiya BeSt = Stork
for really exciting games, and a roflstomp in game 4 Bisu <<<<<<<<< Perfectman
On September 11 2010 01:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, PL was so close this past season that any big player trades are gonna make an enormous difference to the playoff contention. Stork + Jaedong + Hiya is easily the strongest 1 of each race threat in the league.
FantaSy, Kwanro, BeSt
FantaSy >> HiyA Kwanro <<< Jaedong BeSt < Stork
Bisu >>> Killer
Actually I think It would be better if
Bisu=Jaedong Fantasy<Stork Best>>Hiya Kwanro>>>Everyone else on oZ
how about:
Fantasy < Jaedong Kwanro << Hiya BeSt = Stork
for really exciting games, and a roflstomp in game 4 Bisu <<<<<<<<< Perfectman
On September 11 2010 01:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, PL was so close this past season that any big player trades are gonna make an enormous difference to the playoff contention. Stork + Jaedong + Hiya is easily the strongest 1 of each race threat in the league.
FantaSy, Kwanro, BeSt
FantaSy >> HiyA Kwanro <<< Jaedong BeSt < Stork
Bisu >>> Killer
Actually I think It would be better if
Bisu=Jaedong Fantasy<Stork Best>>Hiya Kwanro>>>Everyone else on oZ
how about:
Fantasy < Jaedong Kwanro << Hiya BeSt = Stork
for really exciting games, and a roflstomp in game 4 Bisu <<<<<<<<< Perfectman
A lot more likely
Nah.. Bisu's gonna come raging up like Flash did this past season...
Quite enjoying all the drama actually. It's a nice side story.
Kinda wishing the Stork JD rumors had been true. I love you khan.... but how imba would Stork JD be? Ofc that would kill khan considering their players seemed to have taken a turn for the mediocre.
Though, now that it's confirmed team D is Woongjin, it shows that the team is doing well enough to consider recruiting new players... meaning that their six players leaving does not imply the team is crumbling.
EPT
