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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 07 2010 08:00 GMT
#61
Stork and Jaedong to SKT please ...

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SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
September 07 2010 08:04 GMT
#62
On September 07 2010 15:56 Chaosquo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 15:54 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On September 07 2010 15:52 Chaosquo wrote:
So D has to be a team with a weak Terran line up. Off the top of my hat, these would be Hite, STX and WeMade.


Wemade weak Terran lineup??!

They have what, Baby, Mind, Midas and Nada?


And Major
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 09:37:30
September 07 2010 08:10 GMT
#63
+ Show Spoiler [Initial Assumption] +

- In Team KHAN, there are two players, Stork and Jangbi who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team
- Team D is looking to recruit player Stork, and Team E is also looking to recruit player Stork and Jangbi. Meanwhile, Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get player B. Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player Stork.
- Team KHAN's Manager January had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with Samsung's main players, Stork and Jangbi. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager January, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home. [note, original korean did not specify a gender]
- Team F, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Coach J, who has coached in Team I before. They are currently negotiating.

Omitting the coaching improvements, as they are unconnected.

Assuming A = Samsung, B = Stork, C = Jangbi, the most important question is who the teams are.

The most interconnected statements are:
- Team F would trade its ace player G in order to get B (Stork); Team D is looking at G in order to bolster their weakest race lineup.

Who has severely lacking race lineups? Who would trade their ace player? The one team that comes to my mind that would get rid of their ace player might be WeMade. WeMade doesn't have a distinct ace player and Baby failed to deliver in the playoffs. But would they really trade away their greatest talent? Also it's possible that G is merely "a" Ace player, so it could be Hwaseung's Hiya. Trading Hiya for Stork would make sense.

In any case, since most teams have Terran aces, and since G is an ace player, it makes me think that team D is Woongjin stars. They would really benefit from another good Protoss and their Terran lineup is terrible.

WeMade being E would make sense. Their Protoss lineup is subpar, besides a sometimes well-performing Pure. Also, the two teams that have shown most activity in transfers, besides the telecommunication ones, have been WeMade and Woongjin, and both have been on the rise. MBC usually uses its own talent. Samsung and Hwaseung have been stagnant. eSTRO and hite underfunded and unsuccessful

So, conjecture:
D= Woongjin
E= Wemade
F= Hwaseung
G= Hiya
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 08:37:22
September 07 2010 08:32 GMT
#64
Edit: I scrapped my idea on further thought, lol.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
September 07 2010 08:40 GMT
#65
Hmm, I read it 5 times now, and I am still like WTF =)

just want to say one thing, If team F really is OZ, the player is JD. I mean, talking about Hyia, he played like one ace match the whole season - calling him an Ace player is a bit too much. Altough I agree that it would be stupid if OZ considered selling JD to get Stork.
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 08:52:14
September 07 2010 08:51 GMT
#66
I think all things considered it's pretty damn certain that team A is Samsung; the big indicator for me is the use of gender-neutral pronouns when describing the associated coach - in casual and speculative language people aren't too worried about throwing around the word "he" unless it's completely wrong.

On another note, team E being interested in both players really suggests, if they are indeed interested in housing both players, a team with room to grow - my money's on Hite (and their 6 man A-team).
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 07 2010 08:55 GMT
#67
On September 07 2010 15:28 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 15:27 blade55555 wrote:
On September 07 2010 15:22 infinitestory wrote:

- In Samsung, there are two players, great and Stork who have joined the transfer market. These two players have gotten similar records in both 08-09 season and 09-10 season, but because their team didn't make it to the post season, they got a salary cut. Because of this, they are looking to transfer to a different team
- Hite is looking to recruit great, and MBC is also looking to recruit great and Stork. Meanwhile, Hwaseung is even considering trading their team's Ace, Jaedong, in order to get great. Hite, in order to bolster their weakest race line up, they are looking to recruit not only great but Jaedong.
- Team A's Manager H had a different opinion during the salary negotiations with A team's main players, B and C. Because of this, he has revealed desire to retire. He argued that the players should get a raise, or even have the same salary, the Team strongly disagreed after revealing that they wished to cut their salary. Manager H, after his contract ended in August 31st, had left the team and has been resting at home.
- Hwaseung, in order to bolster their coaching staff, is looking to recruit Oh Sang Taek, who has coached in eSTRO before. They are currently negotiating.
- Team K and L are also looking to bolster their coaching staff.


My guesses.

+ Show Spoiler [logic (long)] +

Very likely that Team F is Hwaseung. Jaedong is therefore the Ace. Team I is eSTRO, and Coach J is Oh Sang Taek.
Team D wants Jaedong as well as player B, which suggests not only that Player B is Zerg but that Team D did not make the playoffs and has a weak zerg lineup. Out of the teams that did not make the playoffs, bar ACE, the only one without an accomplished zerg is Hite.
Milkis says Team A is Samsung, and I'd believe that. The two players would be, most likely, Stork and Great. Great is player B, Stork is player C. No other team that failed to make playoffs had two decent team members, one a Zerg, who accomplished about the same in the regular season (since ZerO on Stars didn't start shining until post-season).
Team E would be one that is looking for both a Protoss and a Zerg, so it could be either MBC or FOX. FOX has RorO, though, so I'd venture to say MBC is E.

What I don't get is that clearly players B and G are the same race, but G must be inferior to B, or else team F wouldn't want to trade G for B. But I don't know if there's a team with a standout ace that is still not considered very strong. Only real "aces" right now are Flash, Jaedong, Leta, free (questionable), and Action (also questionable). Free, Flash, and Jaedong are the best players of their respective races at the moment. The only Terran close to Leta who didn't make playoffs is HiyA, and he doesn't have anybody else on his team with a similar record in the last two seasons. The only Zergs above Action who didn't make playoffs are both on Stars. But if those two were B and C, then team D would be looking for B, C, AND G. So I'm going with my best shot here. The only way I can rationalize trading Jaedong for great is the lowered salary.


EDIT: ugh post below me kills my theory


Oh I hope your so wrong hwasung oz would be retarded to trade Jaedong lol.


Considering Jaedong never wants to leave Oz (he stayed there during FA ffs), G is likely Hiya.

Or maybe Killer, he did play 3 ace matches


Yeah I don't think they would trade Jaedong. I don't want them to trade Hiya either don't' care about killer as he's not much of a killer (oh yes a great joke I made)
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 08:59:35
September 07 2010 08:57 GMT
#68
+ Show Spoiler +
Team D is looking to recruit player Stork

Team E is also looking to recruit player Stork and Jangbi.

Team F is even considering trading their team's Ace, Player G, in order to get Stork.

Team D is also looking to bolster their weakest race line up, as they are also looking to recruit player G, along with player Stork.


Unless they simply use ace to refer to any of their main players (which just sounds weird), it makes no sense for it to be Hwaseung. Even if it did and G was, infact, Hiya, that wouldn't really improve Oz much. You'd lose your only good Terran to go from 2.5 players back to 2.5 players, even if those 2.5 were a little better than before.

I'm sold on A being Khan and B/C Jangbi. The possible teams here are:
CJ Entus
eSTRO & Hite
Hwaseung Oz
KT Rolster
MBCGame Hero
SKT
STX
WeMade
Woongjin

The wording makes me think that Player G is not Protoss. The Zerg aces are Jaedong and Effort and neither of them will be traded. There's also Zero and Calm who are a close 2nd on their teams, but the #1 on each is a protoss. It seems unwise for those teams to unbalance their lineup by trading either of them. Thus, I feel Player G is a Terran.

-CJ has a strong Snow and a slumping Movie. They also have a reasonably strong Skyhigh, plus Effort. They don't really have a clear weakest race, although T would be the closest. Trading Effort nets them no gain. They could be D, if anything.

-Hite and eSTRO have practically no budget, so I can't see either of them being in the running here. I could see these two teams coughing up their ace, but there would still be no other good players, so this wouldn't really improve either team.

-Hwaseung Oz got back Backho, but otherwise they have no good P. Protoss is their weakest race, but there's no way in hell Jaedong gets traded. If Hiya is considered an ace (I disagree), then the trade just changes the team balance from ZTZ to ZPZ. They'd be better, but still unbalanced. They'd be a very strong candidate for E. Picking up both players would make Oz a top powerhouse, but I don't feel like Oz has a big enough budget for them. D doesn't really fit since T isn't their weakest.

-KT has an emerging Tempest, an unreliable Violet, and a strong Stats for protoss. Their weakest race is Zerg, currently. They need a Zerg, if anything. They already have a pretty full roster, so I don't think KT is in this.

-MBCGame is a team who I'd consider highly likely to trade their ace. Light and Sea overlap each other immensely and neither has really seemed to excel since Light's dominance back in WL. It seems that if MBC were to drop a Terran and pick up a P, they'd be much better off. If Player G is a Terran, as suggested, then it's unlikely that they're D. They could be an E, but I peg them very high as an F.

-SKT has no need for Protoss.

-STX has Kal as an ace, so it's highly unlikely that they're F. Shuttle was doing pretty well a few months back, but his performance dropped a bit more recently. STX is missing a Terran more than anything, so they seem a strong candidate for a D and possibly (but I feel less likely) to be E. Getting Stork and a T would made STX extremely balanced and very strong. You'd have Stork, Kal and Calm, plus a solid T, whereas currently you have a slumping kal and calm and no Terran. This would really fit STX well.

-WeMade has about 500 Terran. If G is Terran, then they aren't D. P is their weakest race, so I could see them being an E. Unless they think Baby is never going to break his slump, it seems weird for them to be an F.

-Woongjin has no good Terran and just Free as a reliable P, so they're a good candidate for D. Trading P ace for P ace or making your team 2 P ace with no good T and only 1 somewhat-good Z just seems foolish, so F is unlikely. Maybe E, but just for one.

The only unclear thing is if E wants both players or just one of two, as long as they get one.

So, since I spent 30 minutes on this:

D: STX
E: Hwaseung
F: MBCGame
G: Sea/Light
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 09:02:52
September 07 2010 09:02 GMT
#69
If F is OZ then they have found their coach J who is Xian

+ Show Spoiler [source] +

Match 2

Xian < Delta Quadrant > CrownPrince
Xian < Scrap Station > CrownPrince
Xian < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrownPrince

Xian moves to be Hwaseung coach so he forfeits his games -> CrownPrince advances to RO32
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
September 07 2010 12:59 GMT
#70
Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...
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bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
September 07 2010 13:15 GMT
#71
While not relevant to these particular pieces of information, one can always dream of JD flash on the same team....
/sigh

oh well
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 07 2010 13:16 GMT
#72
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote:
Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...

If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P
But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
September 07 2010 13:41 GMT
#73
Stork is definitely B...but I cant imagine Oz trading JD or Hiya, it has to be some other team
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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
September 07 2010 13:41 GMT
#74
Yes JD to SKT would be sweeeeet XD
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
September 07 2010 14:03 GMT
#75
how could all of you think the ace for team F (oz) is jd or hiya? it's obviously killer
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13037 Posts
September 07 2010 14:37 GMT
#76
Wow if Stork goes to OZ i think i would have to change my favorite team too. Ive always loved JD and Hiya lately is preety good
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
September 07 2010 14:38 GMT
#77
On September 07 2010 22:16 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote:
Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...

If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P
But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]

Great doesn't really make sense. He did much better last year than the one before that; the article says the players in question did similarly well.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 07 2010 14:51 GMT
#78
On September 07 2010 23:38 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 22:16 ShadeR wrote:
On September 07 2010 21:59 OpticalShot wrote:
Sigh... if Stork changes team, I think I will too...

If either Jangbi or great leave with him i think i'll end up chnging teams too =P
But if it's only Stork leaving i'll continue to root for him as and individual as well as Khan =]

Great doesn't really make sense. He did much better last year than the one before that; the article says the players in question did similarly well.

Yeah i'm pretty much convinced its Stork and Jangbi.
I was kinda just expressing how I'm also a fan of great and that if he also were to leave i wouldnt have anyone to root for on Khan.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 07 2010 14:51 GMT
#79
Wow we sure can get so much entertainment by speculating over such a sketchy framework, haha. But yeah given that the draft was so tiny (and no changes from FA), if teams want to get different results for this coming season they have to trade.

On September 07 2010 16:28 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 16:26 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Stork and Jangbi should move to SKT for the lulz, SKT would become Protoss All-Stars and would ironically be the best team in the league.

Jangbi or Best would probably never get to play though.

Without a race rule I'm sure SKT wouldn't mind playing more protosses if they performed. Best at least has been performing very well, and if the maps aren't unfriendly to protoss next season they might bump another one of their zergs if they really did recruit the pair.

But with Canata's fall from grace SKT could use a Terran too, and not just a strong Zerg.
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Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
September 07 2010 14:57 GMT
#80
On September 07 2010 23:51 Zona wrote:
Wow we sure can get so much entertainment by speculating over such a sketchy framework, haha. But yeah given that the draft was so tiny (and no changes from FA), if teams want to get different results for this coming season they have to trade.

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 16:28 Lightwip wrote:
On September 07 2010 16:26 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Stork and Jangbi should move to SKT for the lulz, SKT would become Protoss All-Stars and would ironically be the best team in the league.

Jangbi or Best would probably never get to play though.

Without a race rule I'm sure SKT wouldn't mind playing more protosses if they performed. Best at least has been performing very well, and if the maps aren't unfriendly to protoss next season they might bump another one of their zergs if they really did recruit the pair.

But with Canata's fall from grace SKT could use a Terran too, and not just a strong Zerg.


Fantasy is still holding the SKT terran line quite solidly, while Bisu has seemingly retreated into nowhere and Best is performing well. Hyuk,s2,and the last zerg( i forgot x.x) could suddenly perform well and then fail much, so i dunno. But i guess basically SKT is pretty fine with Fantasy being a solid ace,just that he needs to brush up on his bio TvZ -.-
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