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On July 16 2010 01:33 Letmelose wrote:
Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.
You're not making things up, you're just (almost) completely wrong--at least in my opinion. That's all fine though. Not keeping your cool is not. You seem to hate a progaming team passionately, that's your choice. But stop filling your posts with ugly words please. You're a better poster than that.
1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay.
Okay, they did that once, so what? It was probably a kind of punition against the players more than anything else. A way to show them what the priority was. You have to take into consideration the goals the teams set at the beginning of the season. Also, if it can bring better results to the team (which it definitely did), it's still good for the fans and for the game, because people want to see big names in the biggest competition.
I'm not gonna say it was the right move. But it wasn't all that bad at all.
2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder.
That's a pretty ridiculous comment about the one team that has always been, by far, the most efficient in terms of developing new successful players. I'm now wondering if you're actually serious or just completely trolling. Funny you mention Midas by the way, as he actually developed the most after transferring to T1.
But yeah, teams with money buy players they (think they) need. How dare they.
3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't.
Sources? I've never heard of that since he became a manager.
As a player, the only impression I got is that he would always give completely honest answers, even if that could sound disrespectful to some. You gotta be a little cocky to succeed anyway, don't you think?
4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this.
So what's the reason if it's not strategic secrecy? I doubt most people give two shits about offline prelim games as long as their favorite players qualify. I for one would definitely rather watch some cool strategies during the actual event than missing out on them because everyone knows the counter before the real thing (OSL/MSL, that is) has even started. It's not even close.
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All SKT1 players need to be DQ immediately!!
These selfish moves are unlikely to improve their performance and are making an unfair competitive atmosphere with other teams and are bad for the fans.
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On July 16 2010 02:00 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 01:33 Letmelose wrote:
Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.
You're not making things up, you're just (almost) completely wrong--at least in my opinion. That's all fine though. Not keeping your cool is not. You seem to hate a progaming team passionately, that's your choice. But stop filling your posts with ugly words please. You're a better poster than that. Show nested quote +1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay. Okay, they did that once, so what? It was probably a kind of punition against the players more than anything else. A way to show them what the priority was. You have to take into consideration the goals the teams set at the beginning of the season. Also, if it can bring better results to the team (which it definitely did), it's still good for the fans and for the game, because people want to see big names in the biggest competition. I'm not gonna say it was the right move. But it wasn't all that bad at all. Show nested quote +2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder. That's a pretty ridiculous comment about the one team that has always been, by far, the most efficient in terms of developing new successful players. I'm now wondering if you're actually serious or just completely trolling. Funny you mention Midas by the way, as he actually developed the most after transferring to T1. But yeah, teams with money buy players they (think they) need. How dare they. Show nested quote +3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't. Sources? I've never heard of that since he became a manager. As a player, the only impression I got is that he would always give completely honest answers, even if that could sound disrespectful to some. You gotta be a little cocky to succeed anyway, don't you think? Show nested quote +4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this. So what's the reason if it's not strategic secrecy? I doubt most people give two shits about offline prelim games as long as their favorite players qualify. I for one would definitely rather watch some cool strategies during the actual event than missing out on them because everyone knows the counter before the real thing (OSL/MSL, that is) has even started. It's not even close.
Thinking back, all the points mentioned above have little to do with why I was livid with SK Telecom T1's choice. They're just a bunch of reasons backing up my personal dislike for the team; I could argue these points all day, but I'd rather not at this point. I wasn't thinking straight, and was spewing out hate.
The point is, SK Telecom T1's decision was made on its own accord without any consideration whatsoever. Yes, the schedule management was very amateur-like. That's for Kespa and OGN to sort out in the future. But when a team just decides to pull out of things simply for its convinience without consulting the fans who waited, other teams and production memebers involved, just goes to show you how little respect they have for other people that make up the E-Sports industry. It's this attitude that makes me dislike them, and yes I did embellish a little to make them more "evil" than they really are, but I felt the need to go a little overboard in light of all the SK Telecom T1 fans defending their team simply because.
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Now karma will strike back on SKT and they will lose that game on 17th.
Seriously, a poor decision by SKT and poor management by OGN,
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lol well its cool to let them slide.
imo DQ is too harsh, but i'd rather they be put in the same group 
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Good to see that SKT1 players will now be at the group selection ceremony.
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I hope KeSPA (team sponsors as well as team managers) will prevent such absences in the future.
Viewers need to feel connected with their players. We can't have two teams staying in their waiting rooms during a Proleague match, nor players staying in their progaming houses during a starleague ceremony; rare open discussion between players and viewers.
EDIT: I just noticed the rescheduled date. The ceremony problem has been solved already. lol
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DQ the SKT1 players.
suck it up SKT1. CJ do not follow suit.
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On July 16 2010 02:47 Mykill wrote:
DQ the SKT1 players.
suck it up SKT1. CJ do not follow suit.
If EffOrt was not the winner, they had the intention to follow.
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On July 16 2010 00:58 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding. Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu? Ah... No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.
to the SKT1 flamer dont be so jealous I became a skt fan cause of boxer and cause of oov, and cause of the HISTORY behind SKT1 so dont put everyone in the same bag.. I may have a low post count but that does not reflect how much i Follow my team and Why do I follow my team.. I loved the old KTF players and I still do but SKT1 just before playoffs and the finals last year made me such a happy fan.... to XiaoJoyce Boxer is SKT1.. hehehe
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don't know why people are getting so worked up... these players have been preparing all year for the proleague playoffs. If given a choice between group selection and proleague preparation, which one would you guys choose?
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Uhm, this is an extremely selfish move on SKT1's part. Of course every team would like to skip the Group Ceremony and get more practice. Do other teams choose to ditch out an event that has been a tradition for years and something that fans really enjoy? Even if they have the right to do this, it's just not cool to do this type of thing. I am irritated by T1's decision. In a way, the group ceremony is a responsibility/opportunity for players to provide back to the community and the fans. I don't know. Go to sleep a couple hours later and go to the event they are supposed to.
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On July 15 2010 15:44 razorsuKe wrote:
typical SKT leadership, doing anything it takes to win, giving a big "fuck you" to everyone else. -_-
Isn't that the right thing to do? I mean, in light of the fact that they were given the maps (order) only 2 days in advance ...
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but the weirdest thing is that SKT just fired their whole B team... so who are they so gung ho to practice with now? 
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On July 16 2010 05:04 amazingoopah wrote:but the weirdest thing is that SKT just fired their whole B team... so who are they so gung ho to practice with now?
Each other?
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"but we only received the maps 2 days before our match."
Did people just miss this? IMO this is proleague's fuckup. If you only have two days to practice, you spend them practicing.
One way for OGN to "punish" SKT would be to put all their people in one group
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On July 15 2010 23:46 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:38 XsebT wrote:
So stupid that this is even be nessesary. However, I think it should be the players' decision whether or not they want to attend a CEREMONY. It is more than just a ceremony. It is for them to select their groups and try to make the groups as favourable as they can be to their advantage and to try to avoid groups of death. Not only that, it is important in the promotion of e-sports and fan service. Without fans, no pro sports can exist.
At best, you can try to get youself in a favorable position (group-wise), but the outcome is still somewhat random, since every players get to move themselves or other players around.
Nevertheless, I still find the actual tournaments more important.
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On July 16 2010 05:30 Djabanete wrote:"but we only received the maps 2 days before our match." Did people just miss this? IMO this is proleague's fuckup. If you only have two days to practice, you spend them practicing. One way for OGN to "punish" SKT would be to put all their people in one group
Seriously, I really believe that this just shows that there was an organizational fuck-up and while everyone was pissed SKT was the worst off because they were losing the most. All of their players that would be at the ceremony would probably be fielded. So they made a statement and OGN realized they couldn't get away with fucking over the players and had to back down.
Way to go SKT1, way to show some balls.
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I vote for Disqualification. Poll please???
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On July 16 2010 04:56 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 15:44 razorsuKe wrote:
typical SKT leadership, doing anything it takes to win, giving a big "fuck you" to everyone else. -_- Isn't that the right thing to do? I mean, in light of the fact that they were given the maps (order) only 2 days in advance ...
I think people have forgotten that E-Sports is an ENTERTAINMENT industry and without the fans you have nothing.
So yea I think giving a big "fuck you" to the people that make it possible for you to exist is a very bad idea. It's the most extreme version of biting the hand that feeds you.
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