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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 15 2010 15:21 GMT
#141
I standby T1's decision here as well. I clearly don't understand all of you people saying SKT1 should be DQ or there should be punished for pulling such a stunt. IT'S THE NIGHT BEFORE PROLEAGUE PLAYOFF. So let's see... it starts at 6:30 meaning they gotta arrive around an hour early (5:30), probably end and pack up and go home like 11-12? But geez, look, PO first day is at 1 PM next day. So where's the sleep schedule and practice for maps that was only released 2 days before?

IMO, the ones who are against such a decision with a hard on are ignorant here. Not saying SKT1 decision was the best but they even decided for OGN to choose their group for them if all fails. Seriously, this thread...
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
July 15 2010 15:31 GMT
#142
On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.


Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.

SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.


It was only the MSL, not the OSL.

They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.

Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.


Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.

What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.

Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 15 2010 15:42 GMT
#143
Lol guys look at the link posted at the top of the last page... It's been rescheduled already.
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 15 2010 15:43 GMT
#144
Well that was a bizarre turn of events. OGN caves and I guess everything works it out in the end. It's just confusing because whatever happened, it was symmetric in that both teams had the same amount of time to prepare. SKT trying to cheat a little by getting a few extra hours is kind of unfair, and CJ was the class act by agreeing to participate anyway. Not cool.

Having all the all-stars in the same room is the important part of the group ceremony.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
July 15 2010 15:45 GMT
#145
On July 16 2010 00:43 MangoTango wrote:
Well that was a bizarre turn of events. OGN caves and I guess everything works it out in the end. It's just confusing because whatever happened, it was symmetric in that both teams had the same amount of time to prepare. SKT trying to cheat a little by getting a few extra hours is kind of unfair, and CJ was the class act by agreeing to participate anyway. Not cool.

Having all the all-stars in the same room is the important part of the group ceremony.

CJ also considered pulling out, but in the end let their players participate. The primary reason, I believe, was that EffOrt was last season's winner.

Don't think that CJ hated SKT1's decision 100% however. CJ criticized OGN for setting Group Ceremony on such date.
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nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
July 15 2010 15:46 GMT
#146
On July 15 2010 16:36 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 16:09 nextstep wrote:
i don't know about all the hate, their reason is pretty understandable.

if you had an exam in two days, and your friends ask you to play basketball with them tomorrow.
if you don't play basketball, your friends are missing a player, and can't play without you, or they can play, but it will be weird with a missing player.
i can totally understand if you wanted to study for the exam instead of playing.

if anything, blame the planner/scheduler.
they shouldn't have scheduled the ceremony and the playoffs so close to each other.

How about if you had an exam you knew was coming for months, and your friend asked you to play basketball for one day. That's a more reasonable comparison. Oh, and it's your job to take this exam, so it's not like you were slacking off. And you've been having practice exams of the same sort for over a year.


looks like my friends decided my exam was more important, and decided to reschedule the basketball game

anyways, you can never be "too" prepared. everyone knows that last minute crunching is the most effective way to remember things in the short term. nothing wrong about doing last minute preparations.

nice decision by OGN.
go KHAN! TBLS <3
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 15:59:04
July 15 2010 15:58 GMT
#147
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.


Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.

SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.


It was only the MSL, not the OSL.

They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.

Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.


Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.

What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.

Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.


Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu?
Ah...

No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 15 2010 16:00 GMT
#148
Yes, but it was neither in yours or my hypothetical scenario. "everyone knows that last minute crunching is the most effective way to remember things in the short term." Everyone also knows that assuming you've been studying diligently, you should take the last day off to rest before a big test. Ofc, this is rarely done irl for obvious reasons.
Jaedong
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 16:11:05
July 15 2010 16:10 GMT
#149
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.


Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.

SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.


It was only the MSL, not the OSL.

They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.

Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.


Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.

What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.

Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.


wtf.

This is so wrong and over exaggerated in every regard I have no idea how to answer this. You seriously need to chill out.
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darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
July 15 2010 16:19 GMT
#150
This just shows SKT1 was scared out of their pants because they had to play CJ. Losing 3 hours of practice time would be "suicide." You betta win now.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
July 15 2010 16:25 GMT
#151
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
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The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.


The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
July 15 2010 16:25 GMT
#152
On July 16 2010 00:58 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.


Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.

SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.


It was only the MSL, not the OSL.

They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.

Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.


Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.

What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.

Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.


Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu?
Ah...

No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.


Congratulations for being exception to the rule. Want a cookie?
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
July 15 2010 16:28 GMT
#153
On July 16 2010 01:19 darkmetal505 wrote:
This just shows SKT1 was scared out of their pants because they had to play CJ. Losing 3 hours of practice time would be "suicide." You betta win now.

I have to agree with this.
would that 3-6 hours make a difference? Its like cramming a night before a exam.

Besides, there playoff is a two-parter. Does it mean for the people that play on the second day dont have to attend to the first day?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 15 2010 16:29 GMT
#154
On July 15 2010 23:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 23:03 moopie wrote:
On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:
On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:
Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^



weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ...

Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would.


Wrong. Everyone had a say in the decision, as stated by Manager Jo in the SKT1 interview after the press release.

Yes, and he can say what he wants (sounds a lot better to state it was a uniform decision rather than 'evil management dictating how it is'), but from past situations with the teams/players, when the players are told to do something (in this case, the set schedule), they do so. Sure if the coach goes "hey, would you prefer x or y?" they would probably say so, but again, in the end the choice is not up to them.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
July 15 2010 16:33 GMT
#155
On July 16 2010 01:10 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.


Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.

SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.


It was only the MSL, not the OSL.

They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.

Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.


Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.

What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.

Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.


wtf.

This is so wrong and over exaggerated in every regard I have no idea how to answer this. You seriously need to chill out.


Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.

1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay.
2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder.
3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't.
4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this.

I can't think of more, but I think I've explained myself clearly.
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
July 15 2010 16:35 GMT
#156
It's a pretty stupid excuse saying they will only receive the maps two days prior to the playoff, it's not like they've been playing on the maps for the past year, and besides giving your e-athlete a rest before competition would be better than making them practice so hard just before the competition.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
July 15 2010 16:37 GMT
#157
On July 16 2010 01:25 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
[

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.


The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev.


Look, you're not getting what I said. SK Telecom T1 doesn't have legions of fans simply because SK Telecom T1 terrans play slightly differently from other teams. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Go ahead and enjoy the terrific terran lineage of the team.
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HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
July 15 2010 16:42 GMT
#158
SKT not giving a fuck.. im down with it.. sometimes you just have to step up your game.. in other times bisu would come off as a showoff but as he is rising once again he wants to be seen more....

at first i was afraid it was something more serious but after seeing the article.. if SKT doesnt win my o my may the flamewar begin..
in The Kong line forever
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
July 15 2010 16:49 GMT
#159
Look, if CJ had Effort, skyhigh and Snow in the OSL, instead of Effort and hydra, they would probably not go to this either.
Have Effort and Hydra go is a lot different than Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk going. All three of SKT1's players are practicing to take down Effort, since if it goes to ace match, any of them could be picked. Effort is the only player of importance to that scale for CJ. I'm not saying that hydra is bad, but he isn't an ace match pick.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
July 15 2010 16:49 GMT
#160
On July 16 2010 01:37 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 01:25 hitthat wrote:
On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
[

The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.


The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev.


Look, you're not getting what I said. SK Telecom T1 doesn't have legions of fans simply because SK Telecom T1 terrans play slightly differently from other teams. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Go ahead and enjoy the terrific terran lineage of the team.

I don't see you lasting at TL for a while...


On July 16 2010 01:29 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 23:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
On July 15 2010 23:03 moopie wrote:
On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:
On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:
Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^



weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ...

Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would.


Wrong. Everyone had a say in the decision, as stated by Manager Jo in the SKT1 interview after the press release.

Yes, and he can say what he wants (sounds a lot better to state it was a uniform decision rather than 'evil management dictating how it is'), but from past situations with the teams/players, when the players are told to do something (in this case, the set schedule), they do so. Sure if the coach goes "hey, would you prefer x or y?" they would probably say so, but again, in the end the choice is not up to them.

Yup, the final decision is up to the heads. I was simply stating that the players had their say, since some people were thinking that the heads made the decision without any prior discussion.
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