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FINALS
A Statistical Review
With the recent excitement of the tournament league finale among the loyal Broodwar fans, I’ve taken liberty to compile some numerical data on the history of the OSL and MSL finals. The data I used is all available on TLPD and Liquipedia. I’ve made no analysis on them; I just chewed up, digested, and crapped out some statistics and player achievements as far as the finals go. Both leagues were considered; I have also included Progamer Korea Open and the KPGA Tours.
There isn’t much of actual content in this thread, unfortunately. I also do not know how to display tables and I even failed at lining up data in columns, since multiple spaces don’t register; so I just posted images. Please bear with the ugliness. Any mistakes you see or suggestions you may have, I will be glad if you bring them up. I intend to update, modify, and expand this page in the future… seeing as we have Bigfile being nice to us BW fans. Unless, of course, this thread gets closed.
Enjoy.
.............................................................General Results.............................................................
Table 1: Number of final appearances by race. Number of first and second place finishes by race.
Table 2: Win percentages in the finals by race in the 3 match-ups.
Table 3: Number of mirror matches by race.
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Table 4: Number of finals by match results.
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Table 5: Terran winner. Match results by match-up.
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Table 6: Zerg winner. Match results by match-up.
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Table 7: Protoss winner. Match results by match-up.
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Match results we have never seen in the finals yet:
T (3:0) T
T (3:1) T
Z (3:0) T
Z (3:2) P
P (3:1) Z
P (3:0) P
Match results we have seen in the finals too many times:
T (3:0) Z
T (3:2) Z
Z (3:1) P
........................................................Player Specific Results........................................................
Table 8: Finals appearance and place by players. [ordered by appearance>wins>alphabetical]
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Graph 1: Chronology of final appearances by players. [only players with 4 or more appearances shown]
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Table(s) 9: Final match results by players. [only players with 4 or more appearances shown]
Notable Players in the Finals
If you have been following Starcraft since its dawn, then you have seen Nada competing in individual league finals all too many times. Participating in an unbelievable 10 final matches over his career, and winning 6 of them, Nada has solidified his position as a Starcraft legend.
Nada and Boxer also hold the record for the amount of time passing between their first final appearances (June 22nd, 2002 and May 5th, 2001 respectively) and last final appearances (February 24th, 2007 and November 5th, 2005 respectively). Nada extended his individual league domination over 4 years and 8 months, while Boxer displayed individual league prowess over a period of 4 years and 6 months. Note: this does not include their participation in the leagues before or after those points – just the final appearances are considered.
iloveoov has never lost in an OSL/MSL final. As the creator of numerous terran opening builds, the strategic genius and macro monster has always come out on top out of the 5 finals he participated in. This player wins the tournament not when his opponent types in ‘gg’ for the third time that night – but when iloveoov qualifies for the finals.
Yellow has never won in an OSL/MSL final. Although Yellow was the zerg player at the time, he never managed to pull it together out of the 5 attempts at gold he has made, earning him the nickname ‘King of Silver’. So if you ever find yourself qualifying for an individual league final and Yellow is your opponent – kick back, relax, visit Thailand; Yellow will likely roll over for you on the night of the finals.
Everyone by now knows this; Flash has appeared in an unbelievable 6 individual league finals in a row (both MSL and OSL thrice), winning 4 of them. Such a feat has never been accomplished – and he will likely extend his dominance in this regard in the near future.
Flash and Jaedong hold the record for the fiercest rivalry in all of Broodwar. These players have played each other in the finals of OSL/MSL 4 times.
Edit 30/5/2010 - Updated MSL inconsistency
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Very nice. Thank you for this. One more confirmation that Nada is the greatest ever.
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Nice analysis, it really highlights how long Nada in particular has been around, and definitely helps put the BW scene in larger context. Thanks!
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rofl 5-0 for oov and 0-5 for yellow
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Very nice writeup, interesting statistics, the graph (with the chronology of final appearances) is especially spectacular and informative, gj!
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Gorush vs Nada finals was a bo7.
Thanks for compiling the data and presenting it. Seems like Savior and Jaedong are good at 3-1ing, and the interesting tid bit is that all the 3 players with 3 golds have 1 3-0, 1 3-1, 1 3-2. I thought that was kind of interesting.
Your list doesnt include Mumyung, who has 1(maybe 2? does the KPGA winners count) MSL medal.
T>Z and Z>P and P=T. Poor tosses T__T.
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this is great! nice writeup
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Makes me rage.
Damn I hate Terran so much. I have zero repsect for Flash's MSL win.
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protoss  ( we need balance!
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Where is the Dong in your notable list?
I can understand drop kicking the Maestro but The Dongalisk is the second winningest player. :-p
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Norway1530 Posts
The Stout MSL final between Nal_rA and Nada was actually a Bo3, so Nada didn't get 3-0'd :p
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On May 30 2010 21:55 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Where is the Dong in your notable list?
I can understand drop kicking the Maestro but The Dongalisk is the second winningest player. :-p
I guess JD just isn't too special with respect to appearances in finals...
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Nada <3
And I never realised it but it makes me happy to see Jaedong have surpassed savior 
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On May 30 2010 21:57 Jonvvv wrote:
The Stout MSL final between Nal_rA and Nada was actually a Bo3, so Nada didn't get 3-0'd :p
Wow, are you sure about that ? I mean were there other finals using the BO3 format instead of BO5 in the MSL OSL and theri predecessors ?
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United States22883 Posts
How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders?
Also, ty for this.
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On May 30 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders? Also, ty for this.
Boxer
Garimto
Nada
July
Anytime
Savior
Jaedong
All great players from their respective race.
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On May 30 2010 22:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders? Also, ty for this. Boxer Garimto Nada July Anytime Savior Jaedong All great players from their respective race.
No wonder a zerg player judging from you sig, forgets Flash as a Royal Roader given the recent MSL final :D
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On May 30 2010 22:58 stambe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 22:56 SuperArc wrote:On May 30 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders? Also, ty for this. Boxer Garimto Nada July Anytime Savior Jaedong All great players from their respective race. No wonder a zerg player judging from you sig, forgets Flash as a Royal Roader given the recent MSL final :D
Nope, Flash is not a royal roader.
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On May 30 2010 23:00 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 22:58 stambe wrote:On May 30 2010 22:56 SuperArc wrote:On May 30 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders? Also, ty for this. Boxer Garimto Nada July Anytime Savior Jaedong All great players from their respective race. No wonder a zerg player judging from you sig, forgets Flash as a Royal Roader given the recent MSL final :D Nope, Flash is not a royal roader.
To clarify, Flash first qualified for Daum OSL where he failed to make it to the finals despite cheesing Bisu twice when Bisu was dominating.
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On May 30 2010 23:00 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 22:58 stambe wrote:On May 30 2010 22:56 SuperArc wrote:On May 30 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:How many of those OSL winners are Royal Roaders? Also, ty for this. Boxer Garimto Nada July Anytime Savior Jaedong All great players from their respective race. No wonder a zerg player judging from you sig, forgets Flash as a Royal Roader given the recent MSL final :D Nope, Flash is not a royal roader.
Ok, my mistake
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Interesting data, thanks!
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i wanna have the clutch ability from oov
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sad to see less protoss winners then the other two : (
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I love your iloveoov and YellOw descriptions  . Those were they days ^^ soooo nostalgic
and yeah [ReD]NaDa the most accomplished StarCraft player ever and my <3.
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Everytime i see this, feeling so sad for yellow. He really did deserve at least 1 gold.
And Oov just a monster in finals
Nice list overall, thanks.
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great read.
i really like the lines about oov, and the graphs as well. keep it up!
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When i read oov's record I was like "wow" then i saw Yellow's and like "lawl"
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wow thanks for this. Even though I never played BW on bnet I still watched alot of vods on youtube/gom and other streaming sites.
Never knew the big legends and most surprisingly NaDa being the most prestigious one :o
Big respect to him for his achievements. Hope he can come back and get some nice results again.
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Norway1530 Posts
On May 30 2010 22:47 stambe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 21:57 Jonvvv wrote:
The Stout MSL final between Nal_rA and Nada was actually a Bo3, so Nada didn't get 3-0'd :p Wow, are you sure about that ? I mean were there other finals using the BO3 format instead of BO5 in the MSL OSL and theri predecessors ?
Yes, Im sure The Stout MSL was the first "real" MSL. The KPGA tours before that was later counted as MSL.
The bracket system for Stout was kinda weird because the winner of the winnners bracket got a bye in the grand finals against the winner of the loser bracket. So Nal_rA had to win two games and Nada had to win three. Way to screw up your first MSL, MBC game.
Check out the brackets for Stout here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/images/brackets/stoutbracket.jpg
In YATGK MSL they had a Bo7 grand final, but that was fucking epic ^^
Hope someone will correct me if I am wrong on this.
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I feel bad for Yellow.
iloveoov is a machine.
Nada deserves tons of respect.
why has toss always been doing so "poor" -.-
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i feel so sorry for toss haha D:
nice write up
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Canada2480 Posts
wow I totally wish they would make them BO7
A little bit surprised there is no dong in your notable players
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Yeah, Nada's titles are impressive, but I'm more impressed by his 60% win rate after all these years. :O
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jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse.
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On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse.
oh right, back to back OSLs!!!
Not even Flash managed to get that.
JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
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Love how oov has 5 final apearances and 5 gold!
Seeing this statistics shows again how good NaDa was/is/everwillbe 
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The best graph in this thread is
I want to underline (as op alredy did) the iloveoov great perfromance in 2004 (after that he simply was not albe to perform anymore) and the yellow second placing EVERYTIME...poor yellow T.T
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On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
In terms of greatest record, Nada>Jaedong (most SL wins, Golden Mouse, Golden Badge, Royal Road).
Right now, Flash>Jaedong (KeSPA rank, ELO rank, Power Rank, MSL finals, win record, back to back dual finals).
+ Show Spoiler +From the MSL finals pre-game on stage interview: Commentators: Jaedong - who do you think is the best player right now? Jaedong: I always play and think I am the best. (cheers) Honestly the best player will be determined at the end of today's game and I'll make sure that is me.
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On May 31 2010 02:19 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) In terms of greatest record, Nada>Jaedong (most SL wins, Golden Mouse, Golden Badge, Royal Road). Right now, Flash>Jaedong (KeSPA rank, ELO rank, Power Rank, MSL finals, win record, back to back dual finals). + Show Spoiler +From the MSL finals pre-game on stage interview: Commentators: Jaedong - who do you think is the best player right now? Jaedong: I always play and think I am the best. (cheers) Honestly the best player will be determined at the end of today's game and I'll make sure that is me.
lol
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OP Updated.
I have indicated that YATGK MSL 2004 was in fact a Bo7 (thank you, samachking and Jonvvv).
I have indicated that Stout MSL 2003 was a weird Bo5 exception (thank you Jonvvv).
In the next 2 days I will add the Royal Roaders (thank you Jibba for the idea).
In the next 5 days I will also attempt to list the venues for all the finals and their capacities and/or attendance.
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as long as jaedong wins one game, he wins it all.
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<3 oov
Was there really 2 TvT finals? Only one I remember is Boxer vs oov?
Very elite group of players who have won multiple titles, really amazing.
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On May 31 2010 03:06 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
<3 oov
Was there really 2 TvT finals? Only one I remember is Boxer vs oov?
Very elite group of players who have won multiple titles, really amazing.
CEN Game MSL  iloveoov vs NaDa.
Fun fact: there were 20 TvT's played!
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Wow, thanks for the compilation! Very informative
Some of those explanations are kinda cheesy... I feel bad for Yellow lol
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On May 31 2010 03:09 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 03:06 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
<3 oov
Was there really 2 TvT finals? Only one I remember is Boxer vs oov?
Very elite group of players who have won multiple titles, really amazing. CEN Game MSL iloveoov vs NaDa. Fun fact: there were 20 TvT's played!
DOH, how could I forget
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wow awesome post, I love stats about teams
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Norway1530 Posts
Nada clearly needs to switch teams in order for him to win 2 more titles :p
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Baa?21244 Posts
YellOw
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Woah, go OZ ^__^. I feel pretty bad for Sparkyz/Estro/Khan.
Thanks for the information.
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What would be really nice would be any statistics on Reverse-All kills eg. GGPlay 0-2 -> 3-2 Iris
Same for Jaedong Fantasy
+ Show Spoiler +
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great effort put into your post
that graph is so sad.. I can never help but notice the lack of a gold next to yellow
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seems like the statistics really do show some kind of imbalance between races.
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Isn't Nal_ra KTF? Did he start on GO?
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On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record.
JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance).
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Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL?
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Wow. Greatttt stuff.
Lots of interesting data. A lot more proleague finalists than I thought... some players whom I've never even heard of... like TheBoy LOL
Thanks for the post!
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On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL?
lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
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On May 31 2010 04:59 [ur]Chin wrote:
Isn't Nal_ra KTF? Did he start on GO?
Quite certain he was bought, just like Reach, YellOw and others.
Remember, KTF, one of the largest phone companies in Korea = massive budget and specific interest in younger market
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On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
Rofl, what, no, Lux was bought well before he won his MSL title for KT.
Also, Nal_rA got two titles under KT, I thought? I wasn't around back then, so I'm not exactly sure when KT bought him.
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On May 31 2010 05:48 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record. JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance).
maybe coz its ZvT and not TvZ for JD
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zomfg nice work. i like the comments on oov and yellow. ROTFLMAO
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On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:
oh right, back to back OSLs!!!
Not even Flash managed to get that.
JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
dude, being a royal roader or golden mouse means crap.
1. when Savior (who the fuck is savior anyways?) won his first MSL, no one cared about him because that MSL had full Z favored maps, especially ZvP, which was his finals match vs Reach. In fact, it was when he won SILVER in the next OSL that ppl proclaimed him as the best, despite loosing the finals. This is because he X-0'ed oov several times, which convincingly placed himself as the best player.
2. As for the Golden Mouse, look at July, who also happened to be a Royal Roader.
I am not dissing JD as worthless, but u gotta be pretty blind to claim JD>Flash. This is especially the problem since JD has been faltering lately, as seen by the Power Rank, KeSPA and ELO ratings.
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On May 31 2010 02:19 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) In terms of greatest record, Nada>Jaedong (most SL wins, Golden Mouse, Golden Badge, Royal Road). Right now, Flash>Jaedong (KeSPA rank, ELO rank, Power Rank, MSL finals, win record, back to back dual finals). + Show Spoiler +From the MSL finals pre-game on stage interview: Commentators: Jaedong - who do you think is the best player right now? Jaedong: I always play and think I am the best. (cheers) Honestly the best player will be determined at the end of today's game and I'll make sure that is me.
reading this just makes me angry because you're so biased towards flash.
they're both great players, and everyone knows they say that shit in the finals to pump the fans up. dont be idiotic, you make all flash fans seem like douches.
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On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
Maybe you're thinking of ForGG? KT got him off of Oz (I think) for the reason you said but I dont think he ever beat Flash 3-0. Did beat him 3-1 (again, pretty sure) in Arena MSL and Luxury never beat Flash in a Bo5. I believe he beat him 2-0 in a Bo3 at some point though.
My apologies if this is all wrong
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On May 31 2010 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it. Rofl, what, no, Lux was bought well before he won his MSL title for KT. Also, Nal_rA got two titles under KT, I thought? I wasn't around back then, so I'm not exactly sure when KT bought him.
KTF bought Nal_rA just days after he won NHN OSL
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Flash is obviously better right now but Jaedong has been in the finals 7 out of the last 8 OSL/MSL seasons. When Flash stays that good for that long maybe he can be considered a better all-time player.
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I wonder if KTR will try to buy Effort next?
He beat Flash AND won an OSL. :p
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On May 31 2010 06:58 SuperArc wrote:I wonder if KTR will try to buy Effort next? He beat Flash AND won an OSL. :p
KT need a winningful zerg so badly >_<
No way they'll get Effort though. They should've snatched Kwanro while he was on the move.
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Great analysis, appreciate the effort you put into this!
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Wow, seven 3-0 sweeps in TvZ finals?
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lol "So if you ever find yourself qualifying for an individual league final and Yellow is your opponent – kick back, relax, visit Thailand; Yellow will likely roll over for you on the night of the finals." laughed my ass off at this
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Thank you very much for the info. I think it's time to pester blizz to go back and give P a buff in sc1.
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Yellow is a real man!! ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Real nice post btw.
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On May 31 2010 06:18 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 05:48 Holgerius wrote:On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record. JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance). maybe coz its ZvT and not TvZ for JD
[ ]The maps were gay.
[ ]Power outage.
[ ]His race is imba.
[ ]Cheeseing motherfucker.
[ ]He did stupid shit that won him the game.
[ ]BO victory.
[ ]Someone signaled him from the crowd.
[ ]Got lucky.
[x]The mu is unfair.
[ ]Boxer won.
[ ]Is a noob.
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On May 31 2010 07:03 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 06:58 SuperArc wrote:I wonder if KTR will try to buy Effort next? He beat Flash AND won an OSL. :p KT need a winningful zerg so badly >_< No way they'll get Effort though. They should've snatched Kwanro while he was on the move.
Kwanro would slump badly after practicing with Flash hehe
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On May 30 2010 21:25 mdb wrote:
Very nice. Thank you for this. One more confirmation that Nada is the greatest ever.
Yeah and that JD is #2 ever
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On May 31 2010 06:45 lebalebaleba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 02:19 J1.au wrote:On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) In terms of greatest record, Nada>Jaedong (most SL wins, Golden Mouse, Golden Badge, Royal Road). Right now, Flash>Jaedong (KeSPA rank, ELO rank, Power Rank, MSL finals, win record, back to back dual finals). + Show Spoiler +From the MSL finals pre-game on stage interview: Commentators: Jaedong - who do you think is the best player right now? Jaedong: I always play and think I am the best. (cheers) Honestly the best player will be determined at the end of today's game and I'll make sure that is me. reading this just makes me angry because you're so biased towards flash. they're both great players, and everyone knows they say that shit in the finals to pump the fans up. dont be idiotic, you make all flash fans seem like douches.
Right now Flash is better than Jaedong. Could this change? Yes, and when it does I am more than prepared to admit it.
Also Jaedong was 100% serious when he said that. After his MSL loss, I'm sure he sees Flash as the current top player. However this only makes Jaedong more dangerous as he will work harder to catch up.
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On June 01 2010 00:42 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 06:18 Art.FeeL wrote:On May 31 2010 05:48 Holgerius wrote:On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record. JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance). maybe coz its ZvT and not TvZ for JD [ ]The maps were gay. [ ]Power outage. [ ]His race is imba. [ ]Cheeseing motherfucker. [ ]He did stupid shit that won him the game. [ ]BO victory. [ ]Someone signaled him from the crowd. [ ]Got lucky. [x]The mu is unfair. [ ]Boxer won. [ ]Is a noob.
I dont think even you can argue against facts though
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This was a very quality post. Lots of good information, thanks! And NaDa 10 finals... never ceases to be amazing.
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You cant look at these stats to show if it is balanced. They arent (but close) robots. Their practice schedules, practice partners, and talent are all didfferent so its more the player then the race. The results in experiments are hardly exactly what the mathematical hypothesis states.
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