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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 03:29:15
April 17 2010 03:28 GMT
#61
You don't have to be conservative. Bonjwa is a feeling, not a number of titles. Savior was Bonjwa when he had 2 golds and a silver, too.

Flipside, Flash isn't definitively and obviously bonjwa yet, like savior obviously was after he beat Nada etc.
Remember Violet.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
April 17 2010 03:30 GMT
#62
I think the best player of all time is a bigger title than bonjwa.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 17 2010 03:37 GMT
#63
On April 17 2010 12:28 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You don't have to be conservative. Bonjwa is a feeling, not a number of titles. Savior was Bonjwa when he had 2 golds and a silver, too.

Flipside, Flash isn't definitively and obviously bonjwa yet, like savior obviously was after he beat Nada etc.


I guess I wasn't around then, but what set savior apart? It can't be "win percentage" or "scary play" or "scaring every other progamer into not wanting to play him"...
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GeMicles
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada307 Posts
April 17 2010 03:40 GMT
#64
Flash is raping tvp, a MU thought where supposedly toss had the advantage. i think this could be a really good run for flash. he will be the dominant player for quite a while
i pikachu in the shower
[Azn]Nada
Profile Joined April 2009
United States275 Posts
April 17 2010 03:46 GMT
#65
sure we can say flash doesn't have the necessary medals, but looking at the osl round of 16 interviews were pretty funny; Kwanro doesn't want to play Flash ever again in the OSL, Zero says he's good for anyone except flash, forgg "feels confident he can beat anyone but Flash". Seems like gamers treat flash as a death sentence these days.
No.Doubt
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada202 Posts
April 17 2010 03:55 GMT
#66
Forgg practices against flash most likely everyday so I am sure he would have the most reasons to fear him. As for players on other teams I think they are just using it as an almost excuse. Flash is beatable by any player; M18M, recently hyvaa, and not just the S-class players. With the right build and good play its possible to win in a BO3 or 5 series.
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
April 17 2010 04:01 GMT
#67
flash is dominant, but what defines the b-word is longevity, not medals, as boxer had a few silvers sprinkled in there but his streak lasted a long time, while JD had many medals, but has not been around all that long, and thus is not considered a bonjwa.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 17 2010 04:05 GMT
#68
On April 17 2010 12:55 No.Doubt wrote:
Forgg practices against flash most likely everyday so I am sure he would have the most reasons to fear him. As for players on other teams I think they are just using it as an almost excuse. Flash is beatable by any player; M18M, recently hyvaa, and not just the S-class players. With the right build and good play its possible to win in a BO3 or 5 series.

I'm sorry but Flash won't lose a BO5 to anyone not named Jaedong. You really underestimate the gap between Flash and other players. He understands the game a lot better than his opponents. They can pick a good build and play well and still lose.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
April 17 2010 05:29 GMT
#69
On April 17 2010 08:17 pevenariola wrote:
I remember when people said flah's tvp was his weakest line-up, but according to the statistics it was actually his strongest. lol


This reminds me of when iloveoov was labeled a TvT specialist who got lucky in the other matchups after he beat Nada a bunch of times in a row, then people posted a screenshot of his MBC winrates as 76% TvT, 92% TvP, and 88% TvZ. His supposed specialist matchup was more than 10% lower than each of his other ones, XD.

He really was equally strong in all matchups though, his TvT stats only looked weaker because he the luck of the draw gave him stronger opposition there (at the time more than half of his losses came from Nada in his prime). The same was true for Nada, he was one of the most dominant TvT players in the history of the game but he played against iloveoov so many times that his TvZ winrate ended up being much higher. I guess the same is true of Flash's TvZ now, it's getting dragged down from playing Jaedong so many times.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 17 2010 05:43 GMT
#70
A good bit of Nada's losses when he was a tvt master were from Boxer, before oov was even a threat, really.
Remember Violet.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 05:49:29
April 17 2010 05:46 GMT
#71
How can oov even be compared to Flash? Flash plays Starcraft in the day and age where every programer is goooooood. The caliber of his opponents are so much higher than what oov had to play against all those years ago. If Starcraft2 never came out and BW still went on strong, nobody else would ever match what Flash has done this past year.

Seriously when you look at the chart on the OP, count the amount of big name players compared to no name players. It's insane how consisently Flash beat people like Kal, Stork, Movie, Calm, Kwanro(Okay, maybe not this kid), and all the Terrans basically.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
April 17 2010 15:32 GMT
#72
On April 17 2010 08:29 Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2010 08:26 TrickNi wrote:
On April 17 2010 08:17 pevenariola wrote:
I remember when people said flah's tvp was his weakest line-up, but according to the statistics it was actually his strongest. lol


Well TvZ used to be his strongest and now it's his weakest according to these statistics. So maybe he started practicing his TvP instead of his TvZ.

Keep in mind 60% of the losses referred to there are vs Jaedong, including that final where one of the games was negatively affected by what had happened with the power outage and stuff...

I don't think the stats really show his TvZ being weaker particularly.

75% winrate is still amazingly sick.


That's Insane!
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
April 17 2010 16:08 GMT
#73
On April 17 2010 09:06 AstraBoy wrote:
oov's game were more fun to watch than flash

what no

Both of them were/are considered boring at their times because their style did not involve a lot of cute tricks or flashy micro, but rather things that were a bit deeper in the game, harder to understand style if you aren't a hardcore player yourself.

I guess Iloveoov's macro revolution was a bit more distinquishable to the average player than Flash's though.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 17 2010 16:12 GMT
#74
Isn't the pre-StarCraft meaning of bonjwa something like "final boss" that would refer to the boss you'd fight at the end of a level in a video game? In any case, I consider flash a bonjwa. Insane talent and consistency.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
April 17 2010 16:28 GMT
#75
Oov at his peak was no where near Flash's level. Flash is so far ahead of every terran ever.
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
April 17 2010 16:32 GMT
#76
On April 18 2010 01:12 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Isn't the pre-StarCraft meaning of bonjwa something like "final boss" that would refer to the boss you'd fight at the end of a level in a video game? In any case, I consider flash a bonjwa. Insane talent and consistency.

Nony consider Flash as a bonjwa, discussion ends.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
April 17 2010 16:44 GMT
#77
/tread

KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
April 17 2010 16:59 GMT
#78
so sick
LuCky.
Profile Joined March 2010
Zimbabwe91 Posts
April 17 2010 17:00 GMT
#79
i think players get the same feeling when they're up against flash, the same feeling i get (a D+ newbie myself) when i play players 2 levels higher than me.

even if i do the same bo they do, for some reason it just doesn't feel right the way i'm doing it, their bos are so much more fluid, practiced, and mine is just clunky and robotic. every second counts in bos, so higher levelled players always tend to squeeze out every second and abuse it to their advantage, must be the same way flash is playing, mechanics is all it is IMO. bos are bos and they can only get you so far, then dynamic gameplay takes over.
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." - JFK
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 17 2010 17:02 GMT
#80
On April 17 2010 11:33 IGoUnseen wrote:
If you extend it out a little farther to Oct. 1st: 75 wins - 16 losses (82.42%)


or from 09-07-10... (almost a year)

90-20, nice and clean!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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