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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9795 Posts
April 15 2010 22:18 GMT
#61
On April 15 2010 23:37 k!llua wrote:
Re. 1.6/Source comparison:

Source came out at a time when 1.6 was still quite popular and was growing in tournaments around the world, particularly in Asia (WEG, for example).

BW has pretty much stagnated, if not died out, outside of Korea. So I think SC2 will be a catalyst for a lot of returning fans and a generation of newer gamers.


bw was having a massive influx of new players because sc2 beta was being released. i mean months before the actual release
boomer hands
vindKtiv
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States215 Posts
April 16 2010 00:49 GMT
#62
I loved the article. Who knows, maybe 15 years from now people will STILL be playing StarCraft 1 on their Windows emulator, and there will STILL be a competitive pro-scene. Heck, SC1 lasted for many years despite fierce competition from Dawn of War, WarCraft III, SupCom, and all these other RTS games. Why should StarCraft suddenly die out just because of another game on the market, even if they share the same name?
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
April 16 2010 00:52 GMT
#63
On April 16 2010 07:18 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 23:37 k!llua wrote:
Re. 1.6/Source comparison:

Source came out at a time when 1.6 was still quite popular and was growing in tournaments around the world, particularly in Asia (WEG, for example).

BW has pretty much stagnated, if not died out, outside of Korea. So I think SC2 will be a catalyst for a lot of returning fans and a generation of newer gamers.


bw was having a massive influx of new players because sc2 beta was being released. i mean months before the actual release

More like two years, heh
ranma1202
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Vietnam62 Posts
April 16 2010 01:52 GMT
#64
Dude, this is so inspirational. And I'm doing the same thing as you say. My little brother is 10, and he suck at SC, saving all 1v1 game vs comp on BGH that he won like it's a big achivement. But seeing that makes me happy, reminds me of those days where I used bunch of cheats to win vs comp. I will teach him play, though I'm only a D/D+. I'll show him all the magic of all the races, so that he can truly see why SC lives on. My daughter is 4 months old right now, and when I play SC I let her watch me, hopping she'll be TossGirl someday lol.
Life is a game, and when things dont work out, dont unplug, just reset and restart from last checkpoint.
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
April 16 2010 02:30 GMT
#65
plz, TL, put this on spotlight!!

great read.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
April 16 2010 02:44 GMT
#66
On April 15 2010 21:10 Ohforf wrote:
Final Edit anyone?


Seconded. This is FE material
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
April 16 2010 03:03 GMT
#67
Some businesses are just too big to fall..

Oh wait..

Anyways, TL experiencing crazy load again lol.

Nice writeup, hope you get C some day!
the throws never bothered me anyway
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
April 16 2010 03:12 GMT
#68
Great post.
Sc2 just isn't as great as BW
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
April 16 2010 03:29 GMT
#69
Thanks for all the compliments, guys! Means a ton.

I do want to take a minute to respond to one particular post. There are others like it, but this one sums it up nicely:

On April 16 2010 12:12 ohN wrote:
Great post.
Sc2 just isn't as great as BW


I emphatically not saying this. To my mind, as I try to look long-term - which was one of the huge themes of this post, and if I didn't get that across I may not have "failed" but certainly I didn't quite succeed - SC2 so far is not so much a new game in the way Dawn of War was a new game. It's the same game. I know the units are different and some mechanics are different - hear me out. SC2 is more equivalent to a rules change: Blizzard has consciously tried to make a successor in gameplay, spirit, and quality to the magnificence that is SC:BW. Only time will tell if this "rules change" will stick and make the game better or worse. It is far too early to say if they're good or bad yet. Comparing the two games at this point - and saying SC2 is worse - is like going into preseason friendly matches and saying some rules change about a coin flip or tackling sucks because your team scored under their average.

It's not that I don't sympathize with the reaction, it's just way premature.
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
April 16 2010 03:41 GMT
#70
Very, very good read.
And personally I do think that SC2 won't ever get as good as BW, that's why I'm kind of sad to let BW go for now but I still got hope that the community can make something maybe as good as out of SC2.
Maybe my hopes will come true if our community delivers again as it did with BW, because after all it was US that made the game so great.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
April 16 2010 15:16 GMT
#71
On April 16 2010 12:41 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Very, very good read.
And personally I do think that SC2 won't ever get as good as BW, that's why I'm kind of sad to let BW go for now but I still got hope that the community can make something maybe as good as out of SC2.
Maybe my hopes will come true if our community delivers again as it did with BW, because after all it was US that made the game so great.

I actually noticed you are more active in our BGH community after SC2 was released (actually whole BGH community seems more active now) so, in a way, I'm grateful for SC2 -.-

Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
yupyup
Profile Joined June 2009
Philippines36 Posts
April 16 2010 16:54 GMT
#72
Very great post. <3'd the quote at the end
ohh the fanboyism.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
April 16 2010 18:13 GMT
#73
On April 15 2010 15:52 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 15:32 Musoeun wrote:
Between the accusations of cheating in the Korean scene and the advent of Starcraft II, I'm seeing a lot of people saying "Starcraft will die." I don't know why they think that. Some seem to think the integrity of the game is ruined. This is so much nonsense.


What about the War3 unit rigging scandal that killed competitive War3 in Korea?


WoW and SC are not comparable.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
April 16 2010 20:22 GMT
#74
I skimmed like the first two pages and I'm so glad there are people that still side with BW. Was scared everyone moved onto sc2.
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
Totoro
Profile Joined January 2003
France479 Posts
April 16 2010 22:17 GMT
#75
I don't post a lot, but i have to put at least one message on this GREAT article. Musoeun, you put so much love in your text that it makes all of us connected. Yes, SC:BW is a game. What makes good games are players, or community as you said it. And as long as there will be people remembering their love, their past memories, their so-unique-10years-lasting passion for this game, it will not die.

Long Lives Starcraft!

(and sorry for my bad english ahah)
=^-^=
Hellie
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden94 Posts
April 20 2010 02:51 GMT
#76
Registered and delurked to say "Bless you", Musoeun. This article gave me a fuzzy feeling inside.
It's the least I can do.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
April 20 2010 06:00 GMT
#77
Read this when it was first posted, but didn't comment. Just like to say that I absolutely loved it and it made me feel fuzzy inside. Great read.
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imabowl
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada23 Posts
April 20 2010 07:47 GMT
#78
Amazing article! I've had doubts about SC2 overtaking SC1 until a week ago, a friend suggested I watch Youtube videos from Hdstarcraft and Husky. I am ashamed to say this, but those videos are as fun to watch as sc1 videos. Now I can see SC2 overtaking BW, but there definitely will always be tons of people there to play BW competitively or just a few games for nostalgia. Even if BW somehow died, we will all have fond memories of zergling rushes or massing carriers. Its pretty awesome how 10+ years later BW is still huge.
i play on iccup under the same name
Rucky
Profile Joined February 2008
United States717 Posts
April 20 2010 08:03 GMT
#79
Touched.

I'm praying for sc to be apart of history too.
Beyond the Game
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
April 20 2010 08:15 GMT
#80
Somebody get this man a drink. And a star.

I'm going to go catch up on the last two weeks of matches.
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