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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 10 2010 03:14 GMT
#21
he's still 5-0 and 1 up on kwanro so i dont see why, but he got his reaons..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 10 2010 03:21 GMT
#22
I don't think Kal vs Flash would be that one-sided. Kal is playing great (and definitely underrated at the moment).

I think Flash would rather face JD than Kal, not just because it would be more epic.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 03:40:26
January 10 2010 03:22 GMT
#23
On January 10 2010 12:06 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 11:59 Hinanawi wrote:
On January 10 2010 11:35 Warrior Madness wrote:
Holy Hell those are bad maps for zerg. The best one is at 50% ZvT... lol. Flash imbalance + map imbalance = win? Two negatives = a positive from what I recall.


It's worth mentioning that Flash is heavily skewing the TvZ balance numbers on some maps.

For example, Fighting Spirit. Looking at the stats, it's 12-9 TvZ. Why would Flash thumb it down?

Because when you remove Flash's games, it becomes 8-9 TvZ.

....You can also remove Jaedong's games and the map favors Terran again.


No it doesn't. Hinanawi can't subtract. Flash has won 5 TvZ on Fighting Spirit making the record 7-9 if we remove Flash's TvZs. If you remove Jaedong's two TvZs that he has won (Canata and Ruby) on Fighting Spirit, it becomes 7-7, making it dead even.

Even if the numbers might be wrong, the point is that Flash is pretty much the guy whose making the map look extremely unbalanced for zerg, just like how he made Medusa look like a decently balanced map to TvP. I guess he thumbed it down because he doesn't like it for TvZ...I don't imagine Flash liked Medusa or Katrina despite his insanely good performance on those maps.

Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 03:49:44
January 10 2010 03:49 GMT
#24
On January 10 2010 12:14 StylishVODs wrote:
he's still 5-0 and 1 up on kwanro so i dont see why, but he got his reaons..


Maybe because the map is almost impossible to win vs zerg?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 10 2010 03:52 GMT
#25
he thumbed down fighting spirit so kwanro can have a chance of winning
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
January 10 2010 03:55 GMT
#26
On January 10 2010 11:34 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 11:20 yes9111 wrote:
1/4 chance of a final with mindblowing potential
1/4 chance of a one sided rape TvP
1/4 chance of a typical MSL final with mid-tier player vs mid-tier player
1/4 chance of a ZvZ

I like Kwanro more than Flash but for the sake of epicness, I'm hoping for a JvF.
And hopefully it doesn't disappoint if it happens.

Thank you for the translations!


Kal vs Flash will not be rape. Kal's PvT is nothing to laugh at.

and if it really comes to Kal vs Kwanro, except Kal to completely demolish Kwanro.


unless i have this all wrong, and you meant:

Jaedong vs Kal
Kal > Flash
Flash vs Kwanro
Jaedong vs Kwanro


I meant

JD vs Flash
Flash vs Kal
Kal vs Kwanro
Kwanro vs Jaedong

Now that I look at Kal's TLPD page, wow, he is definitely performing well
Kal vs Flash = decent to potentially amazing finals

I'm not sure if Kal would destroy Kwanro. Kwanro did beat Kal a not too long ago and similar to Kal, I think Kwanro is underrated too.

STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
January 10 2010 06:46 GMT
#27
u seriously want kal vs flash in finals rather than jaedong vs flash?

u really serious?
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 10 2010 06:49 GMT
#28
Flash thumbed down fighting spirit so that Odd Eye would be played twice. It's obviously more favorable, to him, then Fighting Spirit. Maybe because early aggression is pretty difficult and macro oriented terran can be really effective (ala Ruby v Effort).
Remember Violet.
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
January 10 2010 07:07 GMT
#29
Holy crap I didn't even notice there was a possibility of a Flash vs Jaedong finals O_O Please make it happen Starcraft gods.
KT_Violet
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 10 2010 07:13 GMT
#30
On January 10 2010 15:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash thumbed down fighting spirit so that Odd Eye would be played twice. It's obviously more favorable, to him, then Fighting Spirit. Maybe because early aggression is pretty difficult and macro oriented terran can be really effective (ala Ruby v Effort).

I think mech is really strong on that map because you only have to push a little bit to secure each of four expos either on the top or the right side.
Jaedong
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 10 2010 08:20 GMT
#31
2 games on matchpoint should be pretty good for kal, but jaedong's still gonna win.
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
January 10 2010 10:25 GMT
#32
On January 10 2010 15:46 Tyxiquale wrote:
u seriously want kal vs flash in finals rather than jaedong vs flash?

u really serious?

I meant Flash vs Kal could be as good as JD vs Flash.
Just given the name value and history between the two, obviously I prefer JD vs Flash.
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
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