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China3334 Posts
01.  Jaedong 2,806.0 -
02.  Flash 2,329.8 ▲2
03. Calm 2,049.8 -
04. EffOrt 1,794.8 ▽2
05. ZerO 1,679.3 ▲2
06. Kwanro 1,672.5 ▲2
07.  Stork 1,450.5 ▲3
08. Bisu 1,415.3 ▽3
09. fantasy 1,356.8 ▽3
10. Hwasin 1,304.3 ▲2
11. Movie 1,241.1 ▲8
12. Kal 1,202.1 ▲2
13. Shine 1,176.8 ▲15
14. Leta 1,150.5 ▽5
15. YellOw[ArnC] 1,060.5 ▽4
16. Light 1,040.3 ▲2
17. JangBi 1,035.4 ▽4
18. Canata 906.0 ▽2
19. Pure 882.0 ▲8
20. Best 861.6 ▲11
21. type-b 831.8 ▽4
22. Sea 763.3 ▲1
23. hero 756.0 ▲6
24. go.go 743.3 ▽4
25. Luxury 726.0 ▽10
26. Really 720.4 ▲4
27. sKyHigh 693.8 ▽6
28. free 675.8 ▽4
29. UpMaGiC 638.6 ▽7
30. RorO 638.3 ▲4
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Source: KeSPA
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Well at least Flash is trying to catch up. And Bisu dropping to 8th place 
At least DOH JAE WOOK +11 BABY!
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noooo bisfuuuuuuuuuu
gooo stork! +3 baby
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Amazingly flash is able to dominate in this era of zergs! Just like in the era of protoss.
A true champion!
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yay Flash. He'll probably be #1 next month. and go violet almost top 30!!! Stats huge leap too!!! ahh being a KT fan right now is so good.
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is awesome32274 Posts
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16987 Posts
I always wonder how KeSPA ranking is calculated. Does anyone have any clue?
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Rofl, so much zerg in the top. Flash is seemingly the only one capable of cracking the hive's shell.
Amusingly, if Jaedong doesn't win the MSL and Flash wins the OSL this month (Finals is still this month, correct?) He should pass up JD.
Lux fell 10 places? I didn't think he was doing that poorly. I'm pretty sure his MSL win is still viable, but if he doesn't start working it, once that goes away, he's a dead man.
Also -- Violet! Only below Roro because Roro gets triple the ace matches, despite losing them. Atleast Violet's ace winrate is still 100%!
Probably the best Proleague, Protoss sniper around.
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Both Turn and Stats jump 30 ranks, Upmagic drops 7 and Lux drops 10. Ouch.
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lol type-b and Yarnc are still pretty high there.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
In keeping with the 'months behind' nature of these rankings, KeSPA is belatedly celebrating swarm season.
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How the hell did Bisu drop 3 spots. It just doesn't make sense. He won a decent ammount of games this month and why the hell is Kwanro and Zero up when they lost alot of their games in the proleague. It just seems to me that the rankings are becoming more and more inaccurate and not based on a players skill but rather just on appearance.
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On January 04 2010 14:38 G3nXsiS wrote:
How the hell did Bisu drop 3 spots. It just doesn't make sense. He won a decent ammount of games this month and why the hell is Kwanro and Zero up when they lost alot of their games in the proleague. It just seems to me that the rankings are becoming more and more inaccurate and not based on a players skill but rather just on appearance.
Zero and Kwanro beat higher ranked players.
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Wow, almost everyone gained points this month.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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Stork is best Protoss again! WOOT! <3<3<3
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United States47024 Posts
Seeing as others have already expressed my other sentiments...
Fuck yeah, Shine!
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It's so satisfying to see Bisu so low. 
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On January 04 2010 14:47 Holgerius wrote:It's so satisfying to see Bisu so low.
He is still higher than Toti.
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On January 04 2010 14:38 G3nXsiS wrote:
How the hell did Bisu drop 3 spots. It just doesn't make sense. He won a decent ammount of games this month and why the hell is Kwanro and Zero up when they lost alot of their games in the proleague. It just seems to me that the rankings are becoming more and more inaccurate and not based on a players skill but rather just on appearance.
bisu dropped out from 2 starleague early ....
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Also yeah, Jaedong gained 300 points! That's really impressive. Had he not Flash, who gained 800, would've been within 200 points. :o
It all comes down to the leagues, now. Did Flash's wins over Calm count for this or not? If not then I could see him coming even more ridiculously close after that solid 3-1.
Amusingly, Flash also misses out on a lot of points because KT almost always wins 3-0/3-1, or loses 1-3. Or they send Violet who's got as many ace appearances as Flash this season. :x
I also think it's very telling that he just recently beat the #1, #3 and the #5 in series this season. He also beat the #4 in a series in WCG. Out of all of these games, he went 9-2. FvZ, babbeh.
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look at all those scum zergs occupying the top 10
makes me want to puke
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 04 2010 14:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also yeah, Jaedong gained 300 points! That's really impressive. Had he not Flash, who gained 800, would've been within 200 points. :o
It all comes down to the leagues, now. Did Flash's wins over Calm count for this or not? If not then I could see him coming even more ridiculously close after that solid 3-1.
Amusingly, Flash also misses out on a lot of points because KT almost always wins 3-0/3-1, or loses 1-3. Or they send Violet who's got as many ace appearances as Flash this season. :x
it did count :D
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I don't like how there 5 zerg in the top ten. What an ugly sight.
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Jaedong is still no.1 lol.. At least Flash is catching up..
Too bad Bisu and Lux dropped alot..
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I hope Jaedong can maintain that no.1 spot for at least another month (he most likely has to win the MSL to do so though). That way he will equal JulyZerg's 11 month reign (he's already far surpassed Savior's 8 months). The way Flash has been playing I doubt Jaedong can retain that no.1 place though.
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What I don't get is how Nal_rA go up by 13 rankings in rank 239 when he hasn't played for over an year?!?!? He got a +13?!?! Wtf, he's a commentator now!!!
And no change on BoxeR.....
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On January 04 2010 15:42 QuickStriker wrote:What I don't get is how Nal_rA go up by 13 rankings in rank 239 when he hasn't played for over an year?!?!? He got a +13?!?! Wtf, he's a commentator now!!! And no change on BoxeR.....
That just means other people lost more points.
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On January 04 2010 14:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Amazingly flash is able to dominate in this era of zergs! Just like in the era of protoss.
A true champion!
era of zergs? what are you smoking? do you even know what the word 'era' means?
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 04 2010 15:47 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 14:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Amazingly flash is able to dominate in this era of zergs! Just like in the era of protoss.
A true champion! era of zergs? what are you smoking? do you even know what the word 'era' means?
what
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On January 04 2010 15:47 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 14:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Amazingly flash is able to dominate in this era of zergs! Just like in the era of protoss.
A true champion! era of zergs? what are you smoking? do you even know what the word 'era' means?
the one where the last 4 titles went to Jaedong, Luxury, and Calm.
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On January 04 2010 15:47 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 14:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Amazingly flash is able to dominate in this era of zergs! Just like in the era of protoss.
A true champion! era of zergs? what are you smoking? do you even know what the word 'era' means?
An era is a commonly used word for long period of time.
In chronology, an era is the highest level for the organization of the measurement of time.
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I'm just saying, 2 seasons of pure zerg winning tournaments. That's six months. That's an era.
And there's still more high level zergs than high level protoss and terran combined at this point.
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perhaps the zergs are just playing better?
top 10 has 5z, 3t, 2p
top 20 has 7z, 7p and 6t, pretty even to me
top 30 has 11z, 11t, 8p
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On January 04 2010 16:15 saltywet wrote:
perhaps the zergs are just playing better?
top 10 has 5z, 3t, 2p
top 20 has 7z, 7p and 6t, pretty even to me
top 30 has 11z, 11t, 8p
either that, or the maps are favorable to zergs.
either way, flash amazingly stands out, thats my point.
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zank you
I still think Sea should be a little higher though =/
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I just read how the KeSPA rankings actually work.. and it appears to be pretty retarded to me? Why the hell do they do it like that? And why do we keep track of that? ELO is sooo much better O.o
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those stats are redicoulus nonduc
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On January 04 2010 16:39 Lovin wrote:
I just read how the KeSPA rankings actually work.. and it appears to be pretty retarded to me? Why the hell do they do it like that? And why do we keep track of that? ELO is sooo much better O.o
I actually think the KeSPA ranking are pretty good for their purpose. I haven't read exactly how it calculates, but I know its heavily based on results such as topX in a starleague.
However, it's not good if you actually want to know who is the best at this very moment, but I don't think thats the purpose of it.
If you win a league or score high results you will gain points and that reward stay with you for a while.
It shows achievements rather than if you played good or not.
Achievements is really what its all about in the end.
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On January 04 2010 14:37 Disregard wrote:
Kill the Overmind!!!
Overmind is dead bro.
On topic: It's good to see Flash almost at #1. That kid deserves it. And hooray for Calm being #3 as well!
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Kwanro in 6th ahead of Bisu and Stork. crazy.
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flash should be able to pass jaedong for #1 i think with an individual league win
so jaedong, please win the msl
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On January 04 2010 16:39 Lovin wrote:
I just read how the KeSPA rankings actually work.. and it appears to be pretty retarded to me? Why the hell do they do it like that? And why do we keep track of that? ELO is sooo much better O.o
Why have ELO twice? O.o
Also, Flash stop being good, you're gonna catch up if you win OSL and Jaedong doesn't win MSL =[[[[[[
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Canada5565 Posts
Shine Movie and Kal! I'm happy for them, they have been playing really well.
Bisu and Fantasy on the other hand...
I'm glad they dropped, they deserve it (especially Bisu)
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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On January 04 2010 16:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 16:39 Lovin wrote:
I just read how the KeSPA rankings actually work.. and it appears to be pretty retarded to me? Why the hell do they do it like that? And why do we keep track of that? ELO is sooo much better O.o Why have ELO twice? O.o Also, Flash stop being good, you're gonna catch up if you win OSL and Jaedong doesn't win MSL =[[[[[[
You're gonna be pretty upset when he wins OSL (given, shine and movie I mean come on) and then beats Jaedong Bo5 in MSL. (:
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I expect to see you at the very top, sitting on your throne of Zerg corpses in February, Flash!
Jaedong has got to be cheering for BeSt so hard right about now.
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On January 04 2010 17:44 Hinanawi wrote:I expect to see you at the very top, sitting on your throne of Zerg corpses in February, Flash! Jaedong has got to be cheering for BeSt so hard right about now.
That will only happen if Jaedong loses against Stats or Kal/Hwasin.
Otherwise Jaedong should earn enough points to keep his #1 till March (longer if he wins the MSL).
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the zerg era is over now, zergs need to reinvent their zvt, like stop throwing ultras at mass tanks late game and have them all dead before they even reach the tanks
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On January 04 2010 17:57 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 17:44 Hinanawi wrote:I expect to see you at the very top, sitting on your throne of Zerg corpses in February, Flash! Jaedong has got to be cheering for BeSt so hard right about now. That will only happen if Jaedong loses against Stats or Kal/Hwasin. Otherwise Jaedong should earn enough points to keep his #1 till March (longer if he wins the MSL).
If jaedong doesn't win a title and Flash does, Flash will pass him up. Bar none. Him winning a title requires him beating a top Kespa player in a Bo5, + 500 points for winning.
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damn leta got knocked down 5 spots =/ he's out of the top 10 q.q
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its just a matter of time until flash hit the 3k before jaedong does 
its too bad toss r still struggeling in pvz, starting to think its imba
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On January 04 2010 19:35 MorroW[MB] wrote:its just a matter of time until flash hit the 3k before jaedong does its too bad toss r still struggeling in pvz, starting to think its imba
starting? 3 months late on that
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
Movie & Shine should make it to top10 in the next kespa ranking! hopefully JD's MSL win nullifies Flash's OSL win so Flash will never catch JD!
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On January 04 2010 19:35 MorroW[MB] wrote:its just a matter of time until flash hit the 3k before jaedong does its too bad toss r still struggeling in pvz, starting to think its imba
Jaedong hit 3459 in August '09 so that milestone is long broken, though if Flash gets both leagues plus continues his current dominance for a couple more months he may well be the first to reach 4k.
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Flash can have the OSL, but I'm realllly rooting for Jaedong to win the MSL. Actually, come to think of it, if Flash and Jaedong met in the MSL Finals it would be bigger than Alabama vs Texas o.O
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jaedong is insanely good. nobody is gonna catch up to him
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On January 04 2010 14:42 konadora wrote:
Jaedong so imba -_-
and im loving it ^^;
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On January 04 2010 20:58 Sad[Panda] wrote:and im loving it ^^;
until Flash win both league O.o
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zerg
terran
zerg
zerg
zerg
zerg
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Flash is gonna catch up to you Jaedong ^^
It feels so great to be a Flash fan right now
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Zergs! Flash is coming for you.
Hope to see Flash breaking 3000 soon.
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remember there was a time where jeadong was the only zerg at the top 10? but now most top 10 players are zerg. lol
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wow lol, if things continue like that, shine will soon be ahead of bisu lol wtf....
kinda depressing to see the best toss as 7th, over 200 points behind kwanro. 
at least best, movie and violet are doing fine.
but who cares about kespa ranking anyway.
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So how is this ranking calculated? Any info would be great.
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On January 04 2010 21:33 Lebesgue wrote:
Zergs! Flash is coming for you.
Hope to see Flash breaking 3000 soon.
Well he will come close when he wins the OSL .
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TurN racing up the ranks to a dizzying 107th place.
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On January 04 2010 21:54 Ikonn wrote:
TurN racing up the ranks to a dizzying 107th place.
Indeed, this coming season will be very interesting for TurN. Micro-styled Terrans are always the most fun to watch. And if you're #1 TurN fan, than I must admit to be #2.
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kespa ranking slow on the uptake still. nice to see hwasin in the top ten though, even if he's being a bit lucky
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On January 04 2010 14:29 iLoveKT wrote:
yay Flash. He'll probably be #1 next month. and go violet almost top 30!!! Stats huge leap too!!! ahh being a KT fan right now is so good.
yeah!!!
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On January 04 2010 14:20 Emlary wrote:01. Jaedong 2,806.0 -
No way has Jaedong got 2 806 points. No way.
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On January 04 2010 22:45 Slugbreath wrote:No way has Jaedong got 2 806 points. No way.
2 starleague wins
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looking at shines points:
msl ro32 + osl semi give together about 700 points
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Suddenly, Jaedong's imba lead doesn't look so untouchable anymore.
And oh god, Bisu, he dropped off from the top 5 Kespa since...when was the last time that he wasn't in top 5?
Movie, 3rd best Toss, hell yeah. Best, you better stay consistent.
Fricking Shine...
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 04 2010 21:51 Black Gun wrote:wow lol, if things continue like that, shine will soon be ahead of bisu lol wtf.... kinda depressing to see the best toss as 7th, over 200 points behind kwanro. at least best, movie and violet are doing fine. but who cares about kespa ranking anyway.
I do.
Zerg is in top 10 because Zerg won all the starleagues in 2009.
Results matter.
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On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!!
If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming.
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I don't see how Best was not in the top 30, I should do a better job of keeping up.
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On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming.
Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming?
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On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming?
Bleh, -g.
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holy shit.... flash has a overall MU is equaling to 70 percent winrate. i dont think anyone has really reached this high
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On January 05 2010 05:06 dukethegold wrote:Suddenly, Jaedong's imba lead doesn't look so untouchable anymore. And oh god, Bisu, he dropped off from the top 5 Kespa since...when was the last time that he wasn't in top 5? Movie, 3rd best Toss, hell yeah. Best, you better stay consistent. Fricking Shine...
I don't know Flash is 500 behind which is alot imo. Should be interesting to see if Flash can get up there.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
If Flash goes deep into both OSL and MSL, he might have a shot in a couple months to top JD at the rate he's been playing.
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kespa is such a terrible system. Why is it even bothered to be posted, rofl?
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why is jaedong still so high? how does this ranking work?
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On January 04 2010 21:46 weiliem wrote:
remember there was a time where jeadong was the only zerg at the top 10? but now most top 10 players are zerg. lol
it's jaedong's fault
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Why is the winner of the last 2 OSLs still so high? Some guy who hasn't won a starleague in two years is playing pretty good. why even bother posting this? who cares how koreans judge their players? it's not like we don't have a power ranking
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United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2010 14:38 Mindcrime wrote:
Why is the winner of the last 2 OSLs still so high? Some guy who hasn't won a starleague in two years is playing pretty good. why even bother posting this? who cares how koreans judge their players? it's not like we don't have a power ranking
Its so random fanboys have statistics to spout when they're nerdraging or trying to scrounge up reasons to attach the B-word to their favorite player.
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On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming?
I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA
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On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA
Kang Ming
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On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA
I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is.
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it's ridiculous how many points jaedong has over flash. so crazy!
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Once Flash wins the MSL and OSL , he will overtake JD heh
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On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is.
Kang Min not 'Kang Ming' is Nal_rA a famous Korean starcraft player turned commentator. Read more about him on Liquipedia.
We know him as Nal_rA but his real name is Kang Min.
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People have no common sense on the internet, I swear.
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On January 05 2010 15:46 RainmanMP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Kang Min not 'Kang Ming' is Nal_rA a famous Korean starcraft player turned commentator. Read more about him on Liquipedia. We know him as Nal_rA but his real name is Kang Min.
orly?
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On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear.
Amen to that.
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Really nice to see Shine and Movie moving up the ranks. Lol at the people who flame these rankings every time.
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On January 05 2010 15:48 RainmanMP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear. Amen to that.
This situation is terribly ironic.
+ Show Spoiler +Even if he knows what's happening.
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On January 05 2010 15:48 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:46 RainmanMP wrote:On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Kang Min not 'Kang Ming' is Nal_rA a famous Korean starcraft player turned commentator. Read more about him on Liquipedia. We know him as Nal_rA but his real name is Kang Min. orly?
Best protoss ever T_T
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Upmagic steady it!!! get back to top 15!!!
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On January 05 2010 20:41 FaCE_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:48 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:46 RainmanMP wrote:On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Kang Min not 'Kang Ming' is Nal_rA a famous Korean starcraft player turned commentator. Read more about him on Liquipedia. We know him as Nal_rA but his real name is Kang Min. orly? Best protoss ever T_T
LOL..internet sarcarsm ftl
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Flash will win both MSL and OSL, and then we will have a new bonjwa officially.
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Nice, Shine on 13 already.
Clan KaL fighting~~~~~~~~~
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I pledge my allegience to the Stork.
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Holy shit, Shine!
And it warms my heart to see 5 zerg in the top 6. Bless.
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Damn, StatS is gunning it toward the top... amazing, love to see Movie getting up there as well and of course STORK!!!
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5 zergs on the top 10. That has GOT to be a sign somethin is not right.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
If flash gets double SL win his gain will be hardcore, especially coupled with PL domination. I wonder what it will look like.
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On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is.
Oh come on, I didn't even notice the typo, just thought we had another person who joined at the end of 2009 and has never heard of the old greats. Bite me.
On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear.
I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me.
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
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Lol 5/6 top 6 zergs. Such bullshit.
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Lol...I just realized that Kwanro is above Stork in Kespa...
I wonder how Stork feels about this.
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On January 06 2010 06:05 dukethegold wrote:
Lol...I just realized that Kwanro is above Stork in Kespa...
I wonder how Stork feels about this.
win 3 silvers before challenge me
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On January 06 2010 06:38 Elvin_vn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 06:05 dukethegold wrote:
Lol...I just realized that Kwanro is above Stork in Kespa...
I wonder how Stork feels about this. win 3 silvers before challenge me
From Kespa's point of view, Stork is the challenger. :p
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On January 06 2010 01:50 ZeroCartin wrote:
5 zergs on the top 10. That has GOT to be a sign somethin is not right.
The only thing it's a sign of is that other zergs finally wisened up and started mimicking Jaedong. When the other races get someone as dominant as he is they'll improve as well.
You must know by now that most players just copy/paste. There are very few visionaries.
And imo, terran is still imba towards zerg, the top zerg players are just better than most of the top terran players at the moment
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On January 06 2010 05:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Oh come on, I didn't even notice the typo, just thought we had another person who joined at the end of 2009 and has never heard of the old greats. Bite me. Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me.
It wasn't ; P
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hole lotta zerg up top :o
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On January 04 2010 14:31 Empyrean wrote:
I always wonder how KeSPA ranking is calculated. Does anyone have any clue?
Something about each month's wins/losses being worth a certain amount, and that value dropping each month and finally disappearing after a year.
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On January 06 2010 10:20 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 14:31 Empyrean wrote:
I always wonder how KeSPA ranking is calculated. Does anyone have any clue? Something about each month's wins/losses being worth a certain amount, and that value dropping each month and finally disappearing after a year.
Would you look at that, it's on the first page of the thread.
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The top 20 players by peak ELO, straight from TLPD. Parenthesized number is their age when they hit their peak ELO:
Flash (17)
Bisu (19)
Jaedong (19)
iloveoov (20)
NaDa (18)
sAviOr (19)
EffOrt (18)
fantasy (18)
JangBi (19)
YellOw (19)
GoRush (20)
BoxeR (21)
Stork (19)
Calm (20)
July (18)
BeSt (19)
ChoJJa (18)
XellOs (19)
Midas (17)
Hwasin (19)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
The chances that Flash doesn't continue to improve are just as low as the chances that Jaedong improves. Flash will pass Jaedong within the year, virtually guaranteed.
--oberon
EDIT: Also, anyone who cares should note that the "current age" in TLPD is off by one for Jaedong, but not everyone. Some sort of bug in there...
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On January 06 2010 09:28 danl9rm wrote:
And imo, terran is still imba towards zerg, the top zerg players are just better than most of the top terran players at the moment
How do you measure imba, though? If there aren't many Terrans who can stand up to the top Zergs, how does that then translate to T>Z imbalance? Map stats probably show that there's still a slight T>Z imba among non-A+/S-class players, but I think the very top players are playing on a field that looks more like:
Z = T
Z > P
P > T
Hence so many Zergs, a decent number of Protoss, and almost no top Terrans (Flash and Sea are the only Ts I would call 'top players' right now, compared to like 8-9 Zergs and 7-8 Protosses).
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What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12
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On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm??
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i dont like seeing kwanro ranking 6th.
Movie is cool
Shine is just another fad.
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On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12
I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now.
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Wowww Jaedong is almost twice as good as Bisu!
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On January 04 2010 14:31 Triple7 wrote:Bisu... but Best! And I knew Jaedong was slumping!
wow that basically summed up all my thoughts at first glance
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On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now.
I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results.
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On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2150: 4
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2150: 4
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2200: 1
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2200: 1
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On January 06 2010 12:51 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now. I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/168_Avalon_MSL
That's the most recent example.
But that was last season, and Kespa ranking a lot of zergs at the top reflects that they are in fact a season slow at updating their ranks. Right now Protoss is doing almost as well as zerg, whereas Terran is floundering so much lately that they don't even get to play vs zergs (ala 2 Terrans in OSL ro16).
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Haha, I wonder what would happen if Flash lost the OSL... Plus Shine/Movie OSL finalists would be almost as sad if not worse that Kwanro in the MSL finals  ... But I really think Shine deserves it, and if he won it, it would be a sight to see.
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On January 06 2010 13:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:51 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now. I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/168_Avalon_MSLThat's the most recent example. But that was last season, and Kespa ranking a lot of zergs at the top reflects that they are in fact a season slow at updating their ranks. Right now Protoss is doing almost as well as zerg, whereas Terran is floundering so much lately that they don't even get to play vs zergs (ala 2 Terrans in OSL ro16).
Yeah, I was talking about this seasons. KeSPA is usually 2-3 months "slow". Terrans are looking the weakest right now overall. And not because of protoss killing them (which they are) but in all MUs.
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On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm??
That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets.
That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006!
--oberon
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On January 06 2010 14:34 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm?? That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets. That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006! --oberon
I'm not sure if age is as strong of an indicator as you think it is. If you have the time, could you check when they reached their peak ELO relative to when they broke into the scene?
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On January 06 2010 13:08 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2150: 4 Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2150: 4 Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2200: 1 Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2200: 1
What are you trying to say? Same to the guy who said he only believes it's equal for S-class players. If we look at the top of each race, Flash's vZ ELO is almost 100 points higher than JD's vT ELO. So... TvZ is balanced for the guys ranked 2-4?
I'm not saying that ELO can conclusively say there is an imbalance but... yeah. It works for ZvP (Z's have higher ELO average vP) and PvT (P's have higher ELO average vT) too.
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Movie still doing very nicely, beat shine soon
Best is surprisingly coming up :O
And flash ofcourse will be #1 soon...
Stork showing whose the protoss boss, gj.
Too bad effort fell to fourth tho
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So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
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On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
He's still got like 700 points for his back to back OSL wins. But Flash has caught up significantly, though.
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On January 06 2010 09:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Oh come on, I didn't even notice the typo, just thought we had another person who joined at the end of 2009 and has never heard of the old greats. Bite me. On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me. It wasn't ; P
Good, can't have us devout followers of The Swarm fighting amongst ourselves <3
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On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
Why is it weird?
How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals?
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I'm so excited about this Flash era.
There's no one else on that list for me really, this is the Flash + some nubs ranking.
he's sooooooooo fucking goooooood
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On January 06 2010 14:49 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 14:34 oberon wrote:On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm?? That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets. That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006! --oberon I'm not sure if age is as strong of an indicator as you think it is. If you have the time, could you check when they reached their peak ELO relative to when they broke into the scene?
That depends on what "broke into the scene" means. Their first game in TLPD? That's probably the closest approximation I can get, and I can do that if anyone cares. I strongly suspect it won't be relevant, however -- when age correlates so strongly with peak, it doesn't matter if it's causative or not -- it's probably going to continue to correlate.
--oberon
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On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals?
...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything.
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Poll: How long before Flash passes Jaedong?
(Vote): 1 month
(Vote): 2 months
(Vote): 4 months
(Vote): 6 months
(Vote): 1 year
(Vote): 1 year +
(Vote): He won't
(Vote): As soon as kespa gets serious
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oh baby. Flash is catching up
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On January 07 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals? ...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything.
How? Cause Flash 2-0'd Jaedong? Although 1 straight up game loss and 1 cheese? Doesn't mean anything i'm sorry to say. While right now Flash is dominating I so hope MSL BO5 flash loses I think it would be funny watching all the flash fanboys cry themselves to death.
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On January 07 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals? ...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything.
Underwhelming is destroying everyone except Flash I guess?
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On January 07 2010 09:11 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals? ...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything. Underwhelming is destroying everyone except Flash I guess?
But he isn't destroying everyone what the hell are you talking about.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/211_Jaedong/games
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Hoping Really will break into the top 16 next month.
GJ Movie!
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On January 07 2010 09:06 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals? ...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything. How? Cause Flash 2-0'd Jaedong? Although 1 straight up game loss and 1 cheese? Doesn't mean anything i'm sorry to say. While right now Flash is dominating I so hope MSL BO5 flash loses I think it would be funny watching all the flash fanboys cry themselves to death.
Nope, it means everything. It means Jaedong is the underdog in straight up, and Jaedong is the underdog when Flash cheeses. Simple as that.
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Ah how the mighty Bisu has fallen...
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Can Calm please be added to the Kespa ranking page?
I mentioned this about 8 months ago and he still hasn't been added, and now he's rank #3.
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On January 07 2010 20:57 sky_slasher wrote:
Ah how the mighty Bisu has fallen...
Not so mighty anymore!
Take that fanboys!
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No waiis JD is teh awesome
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On January 07 2010 09:26 Redshirt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 09:11 NovaTheFeared wrote:On January 07 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 06 2010 18:25 SuperArc wrote:On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o Why is it weird? How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals? ...Because you'd be a nutjob to pick Jaedong over Flash now. Yes, he did great in the recent past, but his current performances have been underwhelming, whereas Flash is just dominating everything. Underwhelming is destroying everyone except Flash I guess? But he isn't destroying everyone what the hell are you talking about. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/211_Jaedong/games
..... you kinda just proved his point. In December Jaedong only lost to Flash and one game to Sea.
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MICHES SO CUTE!
On topic though, Yay Violet Flash and Stats! KT Hwaiting!
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Flash surpassing Jaedong in three months is a realistic projection. Jaedong and Flash have similar performance in proleague. Although Flash knocked Jaedong out, it was at the round of 8, and Jaedong is almost guaranteed to be a MSL finalist. Even double starleague wouldn't be enough to overtake Jaedong, for now.
I project that in 2011, Flash will break 4000 Kespa and destroy starcraft because it got so imba, nobody wanna watch it anymore.
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On January 08 2010 15:20 dukethegold wrote:
Flash surpassing Jaedong in three months is a realistic projection. Jaedong and Flash have similar performance in proleague. Although Flash knocked Jaedong out, it was at the round of 8, and Jaedong is almost guaranteed to be a MSL finalist. Even double starleague wouldn't be enough to overtake Jaedong, for now.
I project that in 2011, Flash will break 4000 Kespa and destroy starcraft because it got so imba, nobody wanna watch it anymore.
Flash will probably pass Jaedong next month if he wins the OSL . Because a title earns you 500 points ?
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On January 09 2010 15:40 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:20 dukethegold wrote:
Flash surpassing Jaedong in three months is a realistic projection. Jaedong and Flash have similar performance in proleague. Although Flash knocked Jaedong out, it was at the round of 8, and Jaedong is almost guaranteed to be a MSL finalist. Even double starleague wouldn't be enough to overtake Jaedong, for now.
I project that in 2011, Flash will break 4000 Kespa and destroy starcraft because it got so imba, nobody wanna watch it anymore. Flash will probably pass Jaedong next month if he wins the OSL . Because a title earns you 500 points ?
We shall see. God knows Kespa. But remember, Jaedong penetrated pretty deep into the OSL and MSL. His points will also increase.
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On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
Who won the last 2 OSLs?
I wonder.....
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LEE JAEDONG Fighting!!! ^(-_-)^
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