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ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
December 20 2009 09:43 GMT
#61
For what Shikyo said, personally I heart SC but I'm a casual player. I don't have the patience to bust my chops practicing over and over, but I enjoy the game nonetheless. For me a tourny like this is purely about fun, as being the best of the worst is still hardly something to boast about.

I'm assuming this tourney is for bad players to have some fun together in a setting that makes it feel more exciting than the actual truth of a few terribads wailing on each other.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 20 2009 09:51 GMT
#62
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
December 20 2009 09:56 GMT
#63
we already have CPL DUMB
STORK FOR LIFE.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
December 20 2009 09:56 GMT
#64
On December 20 2009 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote:
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T



lol what was the apm limit for that tourney?
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 20 2009 10:03 GMT
#65
CPL is not TL based.
On December 20 2009 18:56 BG1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote:
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T



lol what was the apm limit for that tourney?

120 apm max.you can't exceed that at any point of the match.if you do then you're disqualified.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 20 2009 10:05 GMT
#66
On December 20 2009 18:43 ItsPaul wrote:
For what Shikyo said, personally I heart SC but I'm a casual player. I don't have the patience to bust my chops practicing over and over, but I enjoy the game nonetheless. For me a tourny like this is purely about fun, as being the best of the worst is still hardly something to boast about.

I'm assuming this tourney is for bad players to have some fun together in a setting that makes it feel more exciting than the actual truth of a few terribads wailing on each other.

If you play casually, why do you play in tournaments instead of playing fastest and bgh? What if there is a casual C- player who wanted to play -_- Well have your tournament, all opinions anyway.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
December 20 2009 10:33 GMT
#67
On December 20 2009 19:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:43 ItsPaul wrote:
For what Shikyo said, personally I heart SC but I'm a casual player. I don't have the patience to bust my chops practicing over and over, but I enjoy the game nonetheless. For me a tourny like this is purely about fun, as being the best of the worst is still hardly something to boast about.

I'm assuming this tourney is for bad players to have some fun together in a setting that makes it feel more exciting than the actual truth of a few terribads wailing on each other.

If you play casually, why do you play in tournaments instead of playing fastest and bgh? What if there is a casual C- player who wanted to play -_- Well have your tournament, all opinions anyway.


Personally I don't actually know what fastest even is (lol) and I don't like BGH that much. Tourney style regular BW is heaps of fun
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
December 20 2009 10:34 GMT
#68
On December 20 2009 16:17 writer22816 wrote:
I think the problem with this is that Protoss players are just going to win everything especially at D-level

If a player is protoss and he's at D/D+ level, he's just the worst so I wouldn't worry about it too much :}.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
December 20 2009 10:36 GMT
#69
This sounds like a great idea, although I think smurfing will be a huge problem without some effective way to monitor it. I believe that this could be a really fun learning experience for low-level players (like myself). It would be totally awesome (although unlikely) if someone could comment on the replays and coach the players after the tournament.
seNsiX.421
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 20 2009 11:02 GMT
#70
sounds great for the participants, but bad for spectators. it's not really gonna be interesting to watch except to see how badly some people screw up.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
December 20 2009 11:11 GMT
#71
On December 20 2009 19:03 BloodDrunK wrote:
CPL is not TL based.
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:56 BG1 wrote:
On December 20 2009 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote:
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T



lol what was the apm limit for that tourney?

120 apm max.you can't exceed that at any point of the match.if you do then you're disqualified.

What? Man ive got 180 apm and am mid D+ meaning i cant compeat in a tour for D-/D/D+?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
December 20 2009 11:20 GMT
#72
On December 20 2009 19:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:43 ItsPaul wrote:
For what Shikyo said, personally I heart SC but I'm a casual player. I don't have the patience to bust my chops practicing over and over, but I enjoy the game nonetheless. For me a tourny like this is purely about fun, as being the best of the worst is still hardly something to boast about.

I'm assuming this tourney is for bad players to have some fun together in a setting that makes it feel more exciting than the actual truth of a few terribads wailing on each other.

If you play casually, why do you play in tournaments instead of playing fastest and bgh? What if there is a casual C- player who wanted to play -_- Well have your tournament, all opinions anyway.


Seriously? Casual players should only play fastest / bgh?

Why are there amateur leagues for real-life sports? Why do people play basketball for fun? You don't have to be an all-star to enjoy a competition.

By extension, TSL is basically the same thing, since it doesn't allow koreans to play... from their point of view, they can see it as a competition for "bad players"
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
December 20 2009 11:24 GMT
#73
On December 20 2009 19:03 BloodDrunK wrote:
CPL is not TL based.
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:56 BG1 wrote:
On December 20 2009 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote:
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T



lol what was the apm limit for that tourney?

120 apm max.you can't exceed that at any point of the match.if you do then you're disqualified.

that bad. I got an avegare of 80 amp but during a 5min. game , I can have a pick at 150 once or twice.
n_n
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 20 2009 11:25 GMT
#74
Awful idea. How can you have a "competitive" tournament with a skill cap? It's like your goal is to become good but not so good that your legitimacy as a D+ player is compromised. It's going to be won by a smurf, without a doubt.

Even if there were some way of determining that a player was "legitimately" within the rank boundaries, the difference in skill between D- and D+ is pretty huge.
Alphonsse
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States518 Posts
December 20 2009 11:39 GMT
#75
On December 20 2009 20:11 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 19:03 BloodDrunK wrote:
CPL is not TL based.
On December 20 2009 18:56 BG1 wrote:
On December 20 2009 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote:
i think it's not a bad idea.i would certainly enter.
it could be the replacement for the TL low apm tourney which i never got a chance to enter.
T_T



lol what was the apm limit for that tourney?

120 apm max.you can't exceed that at any point of the match.if you do then you're disqualified.

What? Man ive got 180 apm and am mid D+ meaning i cant compeat in a tour for D-/D/D+?


They're talking about a different tourney with an APM cap. This one would just be limited by D+ tops.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 20 2009 11:40 GMT
#76
the concept of this tourney is to show who's the best amongst the worst.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 20 2009 11:42 GMT
#77
Am i legal if i BARELY hit C- last season T_T
Jaedong :3
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 20 2009 12:07 GMT
#78
On December 20 2009 16:17 writer22816 wrote:
I think the problem with this is that Protoss players are just going to win everything especially at D-level

This may be a shock to you, but a D+ Protoss wins about as many games a a D+ Terran. That's why they're both the same rank. Crazy, I know.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
December 20 2009 12:30 GMT
#79
On December 20 2009 20:42 ReketSomething wrote:
Am i legal if i BARELY hit C- last season T_T

lol exactly the same situation here ^^. BARELY hit the C- at the end of a season, where all the D-'s mass games and become D+ ^^
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8087 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 12:44:00
December 20 2009 12:40 GMT
#80
This is silly. You mix up D as a level and D as an achievement. Which is completely different.

D rank in itself doesn't mean anything. A rank does. Not everybody can achieve A rank.

I honestly don't have any idea what rank I am. I have around 200 apm sometimes, and I guess I can play as high as C rank, and sometimes as low as D rank. Sometimes also I stop playing cuz I don't have time. My level is incredibly inconcistant. So what? Will I be smurfing if I take part of that?

If I do really good, how will you prove that I am smurfing or not playing really good today?

You say being D rank as "being bad", not at never achieving C-. Good. The purpose of a league is to play as good as possible. So the one who will win will probably be, at best around C+.


You can't compare with people abusing TSL. You can prove that someone has been abusing. Now everytime someone will win a game you will have people to say "No, he is too good, he is not D, ban him ban him!"

That's really stupid stupid stupid idea. Sorry.



PS: Plus apm cap is moronic as at D level races are completely imba. 70 apm toss with limited knknowledge of the game can win a 170 apm ran who knows his bo and game flow but doesn't have the multitask to babysit his army.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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