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dnosrc
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany454 Posts
December 13 2009 01:43 GMT
#81
flash = standard tvz with perfect execution atm
fanatasy = wants to show something new every time he plays

i love both of them
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 13 2009 01:53 GMT
#82
Great write-up Pholon! fantasy dissapointed us all.

On December 13 2009 10:18 tryTRY wrote:
hyuk is way better than savior will ever hope to be


Oh cmon man you cannot possibly be a more transparent troll, at least be a little subtle, maybe back it up with half-baked and possibly fictionaly "facts" and skewed battle reports..
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 13 2009 01:56 GMT
#83
fantasy made 3 osl semifinals in a row, i wouldn't call him bad
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 13 2009 01:59 GMT
#84
Fantasy NEEDS to polish his styles more. He plays something different EVERY FREAKEN GAME! Stick to one style, polish it, be the best at it then IF it is figured out, try another style then go back to the first style, alternate between to keep your opponent thinking.
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Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
December 13 2009 02:00 GMT
#85
It seems pretty evident that Fantasy's slumping lately, especially in TvZ. But I still think that a lot of people being a bit harsh with the criticism. Obviously, Fantasy is a player who likes to come into a game with a plan, and has difficulty deviating from that plan. But it's quite a leap from that fact to the conclusion that he's simply a robot who simply plays whatever build Oov and/or Boxer create for him.

First off, I'd be interested in hearing how people concluded that Oov is simply feeding Fantasy these builds, and that Fantasy has no role in the creative process himself. Sure, it's easy to point to the coaches and simply blame all of Fantasy's success on them. This even meshes well with his planning-intensive playstyle. But is there really any reason to conclude that Fantasy is simply a spindly-fingered meat pupped with an over-sized adam's apple? I contend that there is not.

I think the biggest reason that Fantasy gets so much bad press is because of the inevitable comparisons to Flash. Flash is a player with absolutely GOD-LIKE game sense, and I'm pretty confident that a comparison between him and ANY other player would make the other player look bad in that respect. Take Flash out of the picture, though, and Fantasy stacks up pretty well against the other significant terrans on the scene. Dislike him if you must, but I think it's silly to simply write him off as a manifestation of Oov's creative genius. 2 OSL silvers is a hell of an accomplishment, and to think that he could do that without any ability to think and adapt is laughable.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 13 2009 02:12 GMT
#86
On December 13 2009 10:36 infinity2k9 wrote:
he can do TvZ standard bio play pretty great anyway..

XD Great joke, man!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 13 2009 02:16 GMT
#87
On December 13 2009 10:56 jalstar wrote:
fantasy made 3 osl semifinals in a row, i wouldn't call him bad


i heard that he debuted around the same time as jaedong :o
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
December 13 2009 02:56 GMT
#88
Good read Pholon, and also a nice post by Ver, as always.
StifSokSamurai
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 03:09:07
December 13 2009 03:08 GMT
#89
When I recently started playing starcaft and heard about the "Fantasy Build" I thought it was called so only because only in your dreams would mech work as well as bio lol.

edit: with respect to TvZ of course.
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
December 13 2009 03:24 GMT
#90
I believe Fantasy's bumbling play as of late exemplify either:
a) very poor play on his part - he is just notthinking his builds through and making very basic strategical errors (due to stress maybe?) or b) our misunderstanding of the situation - it just shows how the Korean progamers are on a different level when it comes to SC. It kind of reminds me of the 'poker' levels - "he knows that I know that he knows ..." haha.

The simple solution is a) but I like to believe in b) because it's more interesting and quite plausible too. It makes me that much more astonished at how far these progamers have taken SC strategy
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 13 2009 03:41 GMT
#91
On December 13 2009 08:40 BookTwo wrote:
I told you so

Yep, I already mentioned that he was overrated
Brood War loyalist
Abyzou
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden209 Posts
December 13 2009 03:59 GMT
#92
I find it frustrating to watch. It's a sad state of affairs when no longer is the most ingenious player (someone like Boxer) dominant, instead we have someone like Flash that's 99% mechanics. Flash said himself that the reason he does the same build over and over and over is "because they win the most". That's all that matters these days, winning. It's just sad.

Oh, how you've fallen from grace, Starcraft. I can't love you like I used to. ;_;
Savior and Jaedong, how come zerg progamers are so awesome?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8554 Posts
December 13 2009 04:06 GMT
#93
Lol, spewing false stereotypes and seeing Starcraft with nostalgia fogged glasses.
Starcraft has not fallen from grace.
Jaedong
Abyzou
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden209 Posts
December 13 2009 04:18 GMT
#94
On December 13 2009 13:06 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Lol, spewing false stereotypes and seeing Starcraft with nostalgia fogged glasses.
Starcraft has not fallen from grace.

SDM wrote about it in a blog on GomTV as I recall.

The game's been figured out, and people like Flash just don't attract an audience like the star players of old did. They're robots that produce insane results. That's not nearly as entertaining, or as exciting to watch. It's mostly just nerds into the scene who appreciate that kind of thing. So I understand that the TL user base might find this difficult to understand.

He wrote that the game has seen declining numbers since 2006.
Savior and Jaedong, how come zerg progamers are so awesome?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8554 Posts
December 13 2009 04:21 GMT
#95
Okay, I can see why you would think that way. But when I watch games from nowadays v. games from the old, I think recent games are more exciting.
The game hasn't been figured out though, and I don't agree that they're robots, what makes them so that separates them from the old gamers?
Jaedong
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 04:42:42
December 13 2009 04:25 GMT
#96
I agree that the progamers these days are pretty darn boring compared to the old guard even though the games are a whole better to watch.

With people like Chalrenge and Zeus not playing anymore and FBH being unable to win a game these days, the whole scene is less interesting and has kind of disconnected itself from the fans despite the fact the sheer quality of gameplay has improved by a great lot. I love Movie's PvZ, for example, but I don't give a shit who he is the minute he steps outside the booth because he has the personality of a rock.

The "Stork-Kwanro" issue is the type of drama we need, even if its pretty juvenile, to make these progamers feel like actual people.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 13 2009 04:30 GMT
#97
nice Pholon hahaha

I whole-heartily agree with it as well.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Gnaix
Profile Joined February 2009
United States438 Posts
December 13 2009 04:41 GMT
#98
fantasy can't read English, sorry to break it to you guys...
one thing that sc2 has over bw is the fact that I can actually manage my hotkeys
Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 05:05:51
December 13 2009 05:05 GMT
#99
to be honest, the whole skt team has been playing like trash recently.

ANY S class should not be loosing to shine OR bogus.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
December 13 2009 05:06 GMT
#100
Fantasy, don't do it for yourself.

Do it for my FPL team!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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