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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On December 12 2009 23:19 NFL2368 wrote:
I dont' really blame fantasy for doing his build on ROTK against JD
If you're a poker player, you'll understand that odds are everything and Fantasy made the correct choice.
It's the correct build choice, but wrong decision making.
If he knows that he can't wall there without having some risk, he should have prepared another separate build order deviation instead of just going for the wall at that area (unless that is, he was fully prepared and ready to take the risk and suffer the consequences should it not work out to his plan).
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yes exactly
thank u pholon
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For a while in the playoff grand finals, I REALLY thought that Fantasy is the next Generation Terran after Flash, he was playing Macro heavy game like Iloveoov and those little cute cheeses like wyhat Boxer did to YellOw. Being able to copy both of those styles is truly amazing but then Jaedong awoke himself and sled him.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
nice piece here, gotta agree he's been looking shaky, SKT1 even benched him for this week which is alarming :o
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On December 12 2009 21:28 Pholon wrote:Your game against Hoejja was glorious. We all know how well you played and I mean it when I say I couldn't have done a better job myself.
Best quote of the entire article!
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On December 12 2009 23:22 Xxio wrote:
uhhh
Hyuk isn't bad...or do you think JD sucks too?
Hyuk has a ~22% win rate in ZvT. I know stats don't mean much but when its that low, you can pretty much assume that Hyuk is piss poor at ZvT and probably a piss poor practice partner for a terran that plays like Fantasy. What I'm getting at is that Hyuk's woeful ZvT has nothing to do with Jaedong.
That said, Hyuk seems to play a bit better when its not on live TV. He's done a lot better in the offline events, even against solid A team terrans.
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You tell the truth, Pholon.
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I personally love to see Fantasy lose. Especially after that loss to Killer. WTF WAS WITH THAT WALL IN?
He's kind of the guy I always root against for some reason. I have no idea why.
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Fantasy's inconsistency is just annoying. I still think he's overrated.
edit: and seeing Fantasy lose always makes me happy 
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Last week is a sad week for me. I am a Terran fan and thus, also a fan of fantasy.
Then he won 0 rounds last week. He lost to killer, which is the guy BoXeR nuked twice. I thought Killer would go on a slump after being Nuked.
I think it was yesterday, my liquidbet I vote him over effort. I was thinking, I do not believe he would lose all his matches. Even though opponent is the CJ ace, I am sure he will not lose all the way.
Then he loses again!!! I really cried. That is so dissapointing.
For fantasy league I chose Flash and Sea as my terran, so my points doesn't get affected that much. At first I chose Flash and Fantasy, but after looking at fantasy Round 1 I decided Sea is a better choice.
Although not in my fantasy team, I was waiting for him to get in form and win gold medals. Not silvers or cannon fodders for good players.
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As a fantasy anti-fan, I rather enjoyed this write-up.
I shouldn't have, I know, but there you have it: I'm human.
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Dear Pholon,
Your article kicks ass and i loved reading it.
Regards,
Ben
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Dear Fantasy,
Sorry but i never will respect you, because boxer and oov made you what you are. You have a terrible mentality, and losing that huge set to jaedong when you are up 2-0 is just pathetic. That was the point in your career that i made a point to dislike you and your play. The only way you have even been passingly good is with shitty builds, that thankfully everyone has figured out by now. I hope that you go into a slump and never return. Leave the terran race in the hands of the masters. Not just a copy cat kid.
Regards,
Ben
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Just like Best, another T1 hype-train derails and fades into obscurity. SC fans worldwide rejoice!
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United States4796 Posts
Nice writeup! Great read, and I hope fantasy pulls out of this too.
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I thinks hes lost motivation. He just seems really lazy now, and as you pointed out, cutting corners to try and get cheap wins.
Reminds of Jaedongs mini-slump ( VERY mini, dont flame me D where he kept trying to get cheap, easy ZvZ wins by 12 hatching and hoping his opponent didn't scout or was too incompetent to get early lings.
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All I can say is: Touché.
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On December 13 2009 01:21 Misrah wrote:
Sorry but i never will respect you, because boxer and oov made you what you are. You have a terrible mentality, and losing that huge set to jaedong when you are up 2-0 is just pathetic. That was the point in your career that i made a point to dislike you and your play. The only way you have even been passingly good is with shitty builds, that thankfully everyone has figured out by now. I hope that you go into a slump and never return. Leave the terran race in the hands of the masters. Not just a copy cat kid.
agreed 100%, i always enjoy watching fantasy and hyuk lose
On December 13 2009 01:25 vnlegend wrote:
Just like Best, another T1 hype-train derails and fades into obscurity. SC fans worldwide rejoice!
Best wasnt as good as he was a year ago but i think he's still decent
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On December 13 2009 01:21 Misrah wrote:
Dear Pholon,
Your article kicks ass and i loved reading it.
Regards,
Ben
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Dear Fantasy,
Sorry but i never will respect you, because boxer and oov made you what you are. You have a terrible mentality, and losing that huge set to jaedong when you are up 2-0 is just pathetic. That was the point in your career that i made a point to dislike you and your play. The only way you have even been passingly good is with shitty builds, that thankfully everyone has figured out by now. I hope that you go into a slump and never return. Leave the terran race in the hands of the masters. Not just a copy cat kid.
Regards,
Ben
Uhh...harsh. Losing to Jaedong is absolutely nothing to indicate you suck, even when up 2 - 0. You forget jaedongs an absolute beast. Also take into consideration that it was his first time getting far in any major event, and he 2-0 ed Bisu the previous set...
Also its a little far to say hes only passingly good with shitty builds. He plays extremely good, fairly standard TvP and has a 60 something % winrate in the matchup.
You also say you hate him cause he was coached by Boxer and Oov? So if he was coached by some unknown guy you wouldnt call him a copycat? Btw wasn't boxer the master of unorthodox tvz?
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On December 13 2009 01:25 vnlegend wrote:
Just like Best, another T1 hype-train derails and fades into obscurity. SC fans worldwide rejoice!
I think that's pretty harsh Best is still a great player and seems to be returning to form.
As for Fantasy, I've personally never liked him either. And I think basically it comes down to the fact he's ugly. There, I said it. I think alot of his anti-fans probably think the same, play styles aside :p
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On December 13 2009 01:49 atm0sphere33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 01:21 Misrah wrote:
Dear Pholon,
Your article kicks ass and i loved reading it.
Regards,
Ben
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Dear Fantasy,
Sorry but i never will respect you, because boxer and oov made you what you are. You have a terrible mentality, and losing that huge set to jaedong when you are up 2-0 is just pathetic. That was the point in your career that i made a point to dislike you and your play. The only way you have even been passingly good is with shitty builds, that thankfully everyone has figured out by now. I hope that you go into a slump and never return. Leave the terran race in the hands of the masters. Not just a copy cat kid.
Regards,
Ben Uhh...harsh. Losing to Jaedong is absolutely nothing to indicate you suck, even when up 2 - 0. You forget jaedongs an absolute beast. Also take into consideration that it was his first time getting far in any major event, and he 2-0 ed Bisu the previous set... Also its a little far to say hes only passingly good with shitty builds. He plays extremely good, fairly standard TvP and has a 60 something % winrate in the matchup. You also say you hate him cause he was coached by Boxer and Oov? So if he was coached by some unknown guy you wouldnt call him a copycat? Btw wasn't boxer the master of unorthodox tvz?
I don't respect him because everything he is, is the result of boxer and oov. He did nothing on his own, and never will. With out the hlep of two of the greats, fantasy would be nothing. fantasy still is nothing, because each time he is playing in a semi important set, after each game he runs right back to boxer and oov to get advice and help. He is a mindless copycat, that only looks to oov and boxer for ideas. He brings nothing to the table. IMO
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