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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
December 13 2009 05:23 GMT
#101
On December 13 2009 12:59 Abyzou wrote:
I find it frustrating to watch. It's a sad state of affairs when no longer is the most ingenious player (someone like Boxer) dominant, instead we have someone like Flash that's 99% mechanics. Flash said himself that the reason he does the same build over and over and over is "because they win the most". That's all that matters these days, winning. It's just sad.

Oh, how you've fallen from grace, Starcraft. I can't love you like I used to. ;_;

You tried this exact same thing in this thread and mysteriously vanished when people like Ver started explaining how wrong you are about Flash. Would you care to support your assertion this time? I don't want to derail this thread to be about Flash instead of Fantasy, but seriously.

Also, as much as I love watching old games for what they represent and the personalities in the booths, even games that are still talked about today like Boxer vs Reach on Neo Forbidden Zone do not remotely compare in terms of excitement and quality of play to the matches in which Flash and Bisu (for example) face off now. The mourning of "old' Starcraft strikes me in much the same way as the people who claim that baseball isn't interesting anymore because now players hit 50 homers a season and back in their day if you wanted a run you had to steal two bases for it, gosh darn it. The refinement of play in both sports has led to much more athleticism, be it 400 EAPM or 105-MPH pitches, and a much better spectator experience, even if now you don't get the same wacky antics and crazy build orders that ceased working as soon as people figured out what was actually good and what only worked because the opponent wasn't skilled enough to react to it.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
December 13 2009 06:44 GMT
#102
"who is fucking bad."

"Love,

Pholon"

Very nice ending

Progamertwitter.com/welmu1 | twitch.com/Welmu1
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 07:04:33
December 13 2009 06:50 GMT
#103
He was never great. Just had a good run in a few OSLs and plays well against Jaedong for some reason. He is bordering a sub-50% TvZ now. This isn't unexpected.

Hey, maybe Oov and Boxer stopped giving him advice?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 13 2009 06:53 GMT
#104
On December 13 2009 12:59 Abyzou wrote:
I find it frustrating to watch. It's a sad state of affairs when no longer is the most ingenious player (someone like Boxer) dominant, instead we have someone like Flash that's 99% mechanics. Flash said himself that the reason he does the same build over and over and over is "because they win the most". That's all that matters these days, winning. It's just sad.

Oh, how you've fallen from grace, Starcraft. I can't love you like I used to. ;_;


Flash is ingenious. I remember you said something equally retarded in another thread.
RIP Aaliyah
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11093 Posts
December 13 2009 06:55 GMT
#105
I hate fantasy so much. Still I think it's a bit early to say there's a fundamental flaw with his play. All of the great players hit a slump at some time. His TvP mine surrounds are gorgeous. His game against jangbi on god's garden was beautiful.

Still... hope the bast keeps on losing.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
December 13 2009 10:04 GMT
#106
I LOVE fantasy. And this thread made me feel good acctually because I thought this community only could heap arbitrary criticism over him. But he has fans...! And lol you people calling one of the most clever SC players in the world a robot?? Compare him to Canata ffs! Enough said.

... And it is just idiotic to say that Fantasy can't adapt his play as well as Flash because they play so differently: ofc Flash can adapt because he always play standard. Fantasy relies on technical rushes.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 13 2009 10:19 GMT
#107
Well said. I don't know what the fuck is happening to my boy.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
December 13 2009 11:24 GMT
#108
Why do people seriously claim to "hate" Fantasy anyway? I mean geez, "dislike", fair enough, but "hate" seems a tad ridiculous, no? There are several players I don' really like that much but shit, they're a bunch of dudes in Korea who I don't actually know in the slightest. How am I supposed to 'hate' any of them?
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
December 13 2009 11:36 GMT
#109
Hey he still has the best TvP out there.

Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 13 2009 12:06 GMT
#110
On December 13 2009 20:36 IMlemon wrote:
Hey he still has the best TvP out there.

Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face.

Actually, Flash's TvP is better. Fantasy had a great TvP at one point in time, but I think most Protoss players have figured out his heavy harassment style by now. So now he just has a normal TvP which just gets raped by arbiter gayness mixed with 1a2a3a.
Brood War loyalist
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
December 13 2009 12:09 GMT
#111
Totally agree with the writeup, but I really don't mind Fantasy sucking because he's on my antiteam :D
I always knew Flash is the only one to trust ^_^
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
December 13 2009 18:02 GMT
#112
Fantasy did a nice save against Killer. I don't think its right to criticize him for that one. He even sent out a vulture to kill 3-4 drones.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
December 13 2009 18:19 GMT
#113
I just saw a Fantasy Team with all SKT1 players, or almost all...
At least he got the key players @ his fantasy team.
--->Fantasy being the captain
He only have 5 points left @ week 2.

SKT1 pls catch up!!

Maybe round 3 I will change my team to full SKT1 team
Hopefully Fantasy will rise again and go even further by then!!
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11093 Posts
December 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#114
On December 13 2009 20:24 KristianJS wrote:
Why do people seriously claim to "hate" Fantasy anyway? I mean geez, "dislike", fair enough, but "hate" seems a tad ridiculous, no? There are several players I don' really like that much but shit, they're a bunch of dudes in Korea who I don't actually know in the slightest. How am I supposed to 'hate' any of them?


Bit dramatic on the semantics neh?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 13 2009 23:18 GMT
#115
On December 13 2009 21:06 meegrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 20:36 IMlemon wrote:
Hey he still has the best TvP out there.

Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face.

Actually, Flash's TvP is better. Fantasy had a great TvP at one point in time, but I think most Protoss players have figured out his heavy harassment style by now. So now he just has a normal TvP which just gets raped by arbiter gayness mixed with 1a2a3a.

can you terrans please shut the hell up with this bullshit in every fucking thread on the forum?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 14 2009 02:36 GMT
#116
i love the last line. hyuk's zvt is atrocious. fantasy is still one of my favorite players, but he has to step up a little.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
December 17 2009 20:45 GMT
#117
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
i dont even know what to say
such a compelling arguement
cw)minsean(ru
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 21 2009 15:23 GMT
#118
Hehe I lol'd ^^ Great writeup with the vids and the liquipedia links.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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