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On December 13 2009 12:59 Abyzou wrote:
I find it frustrating to watch. It's a sad state of affairs when no longer is the most ingenious player (someone like Boxer) dominant, instead we have someone like Flash that's 99% mechanics. Flash said himself that the reason he does the same build over and over and over is "because they win the most". That's all that matters these days, winning. It's just sad.
Oh, how you've fallen from grace, Starcraft. I can't love you like I used to. ;_;
You tried this exact same thing in this thread and mysteriously vanished when people like Ver started explaining how wrong you are about Flash. Would you care to support your assertion this time? I don't want to derail this thread to be about Flash instead of Fantasy, but seriously.
Also, as much as I love watching old games for what they represent and the personalities in the booths, even games that are still talked about today like Boxer vs Reach on Neo Forbidden Zone do not remotely compare in terms of excitement and quality of play to the matches in which Flash and Bisu (for example) face off now. The mourning of "old' Starcraft strikes me in much the same way as the people who claim that baseball isn't interesting anymore because now players hit 50 homers a season and back in their day if you wanted a run you had to steal two bases for it, gosh darn it. The refinement of play in both sports has led to much more athleticism, be it 400 EAPM or 105-MPH pitches, and a much better spectator experience, even if now you don't get the same wacky antics and crazy build orders that ceased working as soon as people figured out what was actually good and what only worked because the opponent wasn't skilled enough to react to it.
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"who is fucking bad."
"Love,
Pholon"
Very nice ending 
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He was never great. Just had a good run in a few OSLs and plays well against Jaedong for some reason. He is bordering a sub-50% TvZ now. This isn't unexpected.
Hey, maybe Oov and Boxer stopped giving him advice?
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On December 13 2009 12:59 Abyzou wrote:
I find it frustrating to watch. It's a sad state of affairs when no longer is the most ingenious player (someone like Boxer) dominant, instead we have someone like Flash that's 99% mechanics. Flash said himself that the reason he does the same build over and over and over is "because they win the most". That's all that matters these days, winning. It's just sad.
Oh, how you've fallen from grace, Starcraft. I can't love you like I used to. ;_;
Flash is ingenious. I remember you said something equally retarded in another thread.
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I hate fantasy so much. Still I think it's a bit early to say there's a fundamental flaw with his play. All of the great players hit a slump at some time. His TvP mine surrounds are gorgeous. His game against jangbi on god's garden was beautiful.
Still... hope the bast keeps on losing.
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I LOVE fantasy. And this thread made me feel good acctually because I thought this community only could heap arbitrary criticism over him. But he has fans...! And lol you people calling one of the most clever SC players in the world a robot?? Compare him to Canata ffs! Enough said.
... And it is just idiotic to say that Fantasy can't adapt his play as well as Flash because they play so differently: ofc Flash can adapt because he always play standard. Fantasy relies on technical rushes.
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Well said. I don't know what the fuck is happening to my boy. 
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Why do people seriously claim to "hate" Fantasy anyway? I mean geez, "dislike", fair enough, but "hate" seems a tad ridiculous, no? There are several players I don' really like that much but shit, they're a bunch of dudes in Korea who I don't actually know in the slightest. How am I supposed to 'hate' any of them?
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Hey he still has the best TvP out there.
Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face.
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On December 13 2009 20:36 IMlemon wrote:
Hey he still has the best TvP out there.
Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face.
Actually, Flash's TvP is better. Fantasy had a great TvP at one point in time, but I think most Protoss players have figured out his heavy harassment style by now. So now he just has a normal TvP which just gets raped by arbiter gayness mixed with 1a2a3a.
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Totally agree with the writeup, but I really don't mind Fantasy sucking because he's on my antiteam :D
I always knew Flash is the only one to trust ^_^
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Fantasy did a nice save against Killer. I don't think its right to criticize him for that one. He even sent out a vulture to kill 3-4 drones.
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I just saw a Fantasy Team with all SKT1 players, or almost all...
At least he got the key players @ his fantasy team.
--->Fantasy being the captain
He only have 5 points left @ week 2.
SKT1 pls catch up!!
Maybe round 3 I will change my team to full SKT1 team
Hopefully Fantasy will rise again and go even further by then!!
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On December 13 2009 20:24 KristianJS wrote:
Why do people seriously claim to "hate" Fantasy anyway? I mean geez, "dislike", fair enough, but "hate" seems a tad ridiculous, no? There are several players I don' really like that much but shit, they're a bunch of dudes in Korea who I don't actually know in the slightest. How am I supposed to 'hate' any of them?
Bit dramatic on the semantics neh?
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On December 13 2009 21:06 meegrean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 20:36 IMlemon wrote:
Hey he still has the best TvP out there.
Each time he plays that it just brings a huge smile to my face. Actually, Flash's TvP is better. Fantasy had a great TvP at one point in time, but I think most Protoss players have figured out his heavy harassment style by now. So now he just has a normal TvP which just gets raped by arbiter gayness mixed with 1a2a3a.
can you terrans please shut the hell up with this bullshit in every fucking thread on the forum?
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i love the last line. hyuk's zvt is atrocious. fantasy is still one of my favorite players, but he has to step up a little.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
i dont even know what to say
such a compelling arguement
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Hehe I lol'd ^^ Great writeup with the vids and the liquipedia links.
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