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Korean e-Sports Awards 2009 (Dec 9th) - Page 3

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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 04 2009 20:58 GMT
#41
Yea the only thing interesting about this is who the upsets will be. Fantasy/Flash will be a good contest, but everyone can pretty much guess who the votes go to now.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 04 2009 21:07 GMT
#42
How the hell isn't MBC's coach included? Look what he did to the team who finished 11th.
Even as a biased KT fanboi I must say that he has got to be nominated for sure.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 04 2009 21:14 GMT
#43
On December 05 2009 06:07 Iplaythings wrote:
How the hell isn't MBC's coach included? Look what he did to the team who finished 11th.
Even as a biased KT fanboi I must say that he has got to be nominated for sure.


The seasons used for these events are fall of the previous year to the end of the summer of this year.Its weird, but if they wanted to do a proper ranking they'd do it after the fall season. So technically his good run this season does not count, only MBC's failure the previous PL year counts
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 21:17:50
December 04 2009 21:17 GMT
#44
On December 05 2009 06:07 Iplaythings wrote:
How the hell isn't MBC's coach included? Look what he did to the team who finished 11th.
Even as a biased KT fanboi I must say that he has got to be nominated for sure.


This should only be concerning the 2008-2009 Proleague run and last two or three SL seasons though, so it's not really relevant.

EDIT: Too late...
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
December 04 2009 22:15 GMT
#45
If anyone could reaffirm me on this or not, but if I remember correctly, I read an interview about how Stork plays like a bunch of other games (and watches One Piece), because January doesn't really force them to play only Starcraft (or at least didn't for a while). It seems like he'd be a good nominee for the best player of all games (maybe Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong play more games, but I don't recall them saying in interviews that they play other games).
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 04 2009 22:25 GMT
#46
Flash is better but Fantasy is easily getting this award. Can't argue with a further reaching performance for awards.

Flash'll take the next one, though, considering Fantasy is playing like garbage this season and Flash is, well, Flash again. 8)
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ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
December 04 2009 22:32 GMT
#47

Best Map: Heart Break Ridge
Best Rookie: Effort
Best Coach: Kim Eun Dong
Best P: Bisu
Best T: Flash
Best Z: Jaedong
Best Player: Jaedong
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 22:35:46
December 04 2009 22:32 GMT
#48
On December 05 2009 07:15 a9arnn wrote:
If anyone could reaffirm me on this or not, but if I remember correctly, I read an interview about how Stork plays like a bunch of other games (and watches One Piece), because January doesn't really force them to play only Starcraft (or at least didn't for a while). It seems like he'd be a good nominee for the best player of all games (maybe Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong play more games, but I don't recall them saying in interviews that they play other games).

What kind of logic is that? Just because he plays WoW and watches anime, he gets some kind of bonus? What a load of BS. Best doesn't mean "he would perform better than everyone else if he worked as hard". Best means he performs better, period.

This is the exact same logic as people extrapolating up their iccup rankings.

On December 05 2009 07:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash is better but Fantasy is easily getting this award. Can't argue with a further reaching performance for awards.

Flash'll take the next one, though, considering Fantasy is playing like garbage this season and Flash is, well, Flash again. 8)

It's only been one round. There's quite a bit left. Keep in mind that Fantasy's performance in R1 last year was pretty lackluster as well.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 04 2009 22:42 GMT
#49
Keep in mind this is an award for all of 2009 (so it seems since it's yearly).

If that's the case, it's pretty absurd to put anyone (yes even flash) other than Jaedong for the player of the year award.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
December 04 2009 22:43 GMT
#50
On December 05 2009 07:15 a9arnn wrote:
If anyone could reaffirm me on this or not, but if I remember correctly, I read an interview about how Stork plays like a bunch of other games (and watches One Piece), because January doesn't really force them to play only Starcraft (or at least didn't for a while). It seems like he'd be a good nominee for the best player of all games (maybe Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong play more games, but I don't recall them saying in interviews that they play other games).

I think you misunderstood that particular award to mean best all-round gamer. That's not it at all. Remember, this is not a Starcraft-only awards ceremony but e-Sports. There are also non-Starcraft players nominated in this category (but not listed in the OP). I'm guessing most of the other players there would be SpecialForces players. Anyway, that award is meant to go to the best player (at their specialized game) amongst those. Obviously that can be hard to judge, but then again as was said before these aren't the most serious awards anyway.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 04 2009 22:45 GMT
#51
On December 05 2009 07:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2009 07:15 a9arnn wrote:
If anyone could reaffirm me on this or not, but if I remember correctly, I read an interview about how Stork plays like a bunch of other games (and watches One Piece), because January doesn't really force them to play only Starcraft (or at least didn't for a while). It seems like he'd be a good nominee for the best player of all games (maybe Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong play more games, but I don't recall them saying in interviews that they play other games).

What kind of logic is that? Just because he plays WoW and watches anime, he gets some kind of bonus? What a load of BS. Best doesn't mean "he would perform better than everyone else if he worked as hard". Best means he performs better, period.

This is the exact same logic as people extrapolating up their iccup rankings.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2009 07:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash is better but Fantasy is easily getting this award. Can't argue with a further reaching performance for awards.

Flash'll take the next one, though, considering Fantasy is playing like garbage this season and Flash is, well, Flash again. 8)

It's only been one round. There's quite a bit left. Keep in mind that Fantasy's performance in R1 last year was pretty lackluster as well.


Fantasy's performance in PL as a whole is lackluster, despite his finals performance. I'm just mentioning how Flash is doing better in PL and both leagues right now (well they're tied in OSL but Flash is the better shot to come out of his).
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 04 2009 22:47 GMT
#52
I'm sorry, but Stork has just been out performing Bisu lately hands down. I understand this is for the whole year, but off the top of my head I can't really think of that much that Bisu has done that Stork hasn't matched (not counting PL as that's a team victory). I mean, yeah, neither of them did much at the start but at least Stork's on his game NOW in the leagues where it's gonna count.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 04 2009 22:48 GMT
#53
On December 05 2009 01:18 Jyvblamo wrote:
How can Flash be considered best player when he hasn't won any Kespa sanctioned events AND Jaedong has won 2 OSLs and the golden mouse?


Flash has 1 OSL, well hes so consistent... Bound to get a lot of votes even if it wasnt just fans. Statistically he should get the award, but I prefer Sea or Fantasy.
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 04 2009 23:15 GMT
#54
Best Rookie - (T)Bogus !!
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 04 2009 23:45 GMT
#55
Outsider not on the best maps wtf
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Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
December 05 2009 00:42 GMT
#56
Destination

Effort

Coach Cho (CJ)

Bisu

fantasy

Jaedong

Jaedong
I drop suckas like Plinko
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 01:15:44
December 05 2009 01:14 GMT
#57
On December 05 2009 02:16 Jyvblamo wrote:
On second thought, there is no way to objectively give Flash the best terran award of Fantasy.
Two OSL silvers and a Proleague title compared to no achievements at all except most proleague wins in 08-09 season.

KeSPA rankings go back one year. It may not be perfect, but Flash has a good margin on Fantasy. More so with GOM, which I'm hesitant to include.
Rankings are objective, maybe not accurate, but 100% objective.

On December 05 2009 07:48 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2009 01:18 Jyvblamo wrote:
How can Flash be considered best player when he hasn't won any Kespa sanctioned events AND Jaedong has won 2 OSLs and the golden mouse?


Flash has 1 OSL, well hes so consistent... Bound to get a lot of votes even if it wasnt just fans. Statistically he should get the award, but I prefer Sea or Fantasy.

You're talking about best T and not overall right?
Jaedong
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
December 05 2009 01:22 GMT
#58
Best Map
Destination

Best Rookie
(Z)EffOrt

Best Coach
Park Yong Woon (T1)

Best Protoss Player
(P)Bisu

Best Terran Player
(T)Flash

Best Zerg Player
(Z)Jaedong

Best Player
(Z)Jaedong
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
December 05 2009 01:22 GMT
#59
Alot of these won't even be close.

Map: Destination
Rookie: Effort - How can this one be disputed? He's been raping hard
Coach: Park Yong Woon
Protoss: Bisu - He may not be doing too hot now but a majority of 2009 was his stomping ground
Terran: Flash - Not too sure since he wasn't doing that amazing for the majority of the year
Zerg- Jaedong- No contest
Best Player: Jaedong- Back to back osl wins? Seems like an easy choice here
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 02:41:21
December 05 2009 02:23 GMT
#60
Best Map
Return of the King

Best Rookie
(Z)EffOrt

Best Coach
Park Yong Woon

Best Protoss Player
(P)Bisu

Best Terran Player
(T)Flash

Best Zerg Player
(Z)Jaedong

Best Player of all games
(T)Flash
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