EPT6 month winning percentages - Page 2
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disciple
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
(T)iloveoov 72-19 (79.12%) (Z)sAviOr 53-17 (75.71%) Sick. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Gorush is wrong http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=8&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=10&from_day=11&to_year=2005&to_month=1&to_day=11&action=Update Gorush's best 3 month streak is 21-3 where he had his 16 winstreak(greatest of all time) | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
Everyone sucked back then except Boxer and Grrr pretty much | ||
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Godimus
United States126 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:52 samachking wrote: Gorush is wrong http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=8&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=10&from_day=11&to_year=2005&to_month=1&to_day=11&action=Update Gorush's best 3 month streak is 21-3 where he had his 16 winstreak(greatest of all time) That's not when he hit his elo peak, though, which is what these statistics lead up to. | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:40 Foucault wrote: Boxers was in 2001 lol Everyone sucked back then except Boxer and Grrr pretty much Everyone sucked back then because no one had led the development yet. NOthing is more difficult then leadign the development. Coyping other people afterwards and get good that way is a lot easier. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:51 DarkShadowz wrote: Everyone sucked back then because no one had led the development yet. NOthing is more difficult then leadign the development. Coyping other people afterwards and get good that way is a lot easier. x2 Boxer fighting forever (: | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:44 Godimus wrote: its like babe ruth for boxer no one was good or gosu as him at the time lol lol i hate to agree with you but the game has evolved so much now that modern games of sc are far more mechanical and less cheese friendly than they were in 2001. | ||
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
On November 14 2009 17:12 Godimus wrote: iloveoov's tvz winning streak is sickening http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=5&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2003&from_month=6&from_day=15&to_year=2004&to_month=7&to_day=1&action=Update 27 and 0 wtf monster terran indeed oh my god that's crazy. what a beast | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Jaedong 73-25 (74.49%) 1/2/09-7/2/09 THAT IS RIDICULOUS MAN | ||
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UGC4
Peru532 Posts
163 games in 1 year. wow. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On November 14 2009 17:18 Oystein wrote: Its the numbers that make it impressive, not only where they facing the strongest competition in the individual leagues like the others, they where also stomping people in PL on a daily basis. I mean they average more than a game every second day, while the others have had pretty much nothing beside series vs people to prepare for, these 2 have spread there workload over a HUGE amount of games with everyone gunning to take them down. Withstanding a 75+ winrate over 100ish games vs all races is just SICK. Also I am confident both Bisu and Jaedong will break well into the 80s if we shorten their best streaks to similar amount of games as the others on the top. Their stats certainly are impressive, but I'd have to call you delusional if you think Boxer, Oov or NaDa would fail to deliver 75+% wins against the equivalent of today's average proleague competition. Especially if you given them the advantage of winner's league format tournaments. The point Ver is making is that back then, almost all the games counted were Ro16 or later and the bonjwas were consistently playing most of their games deep in individual leagues. The field of competition is already narrowed down considerably at that point. The only counter-argument is that the skill gap between S-class and A-class progamers has decreased, but is that a facet of changes in the metagame, or is it simply proof of how ridiculously talented the bonjwas were? By the way, you're statement "Also I am confident both Bisu and Jaedong will break well into the 80s if we shorten their best streaks to similar amount of games as the others on the top" was completely disproved by the 3 month stats posted just a few posts down from this post you made. Only Flash broke the 80's and that includes time spent in the offseason, so he only played 21 games during that time period. On November 14 2009 17:35 QibingZero wrote: Flash's includes the month of offseason, heh. It's also incredibly unfair to characterize all of recent players' wins as 'against bad players', and older players wins as 'always against the best players'. 1 - Even Boxer's era had it's share of sub-50% players 2 - The skill gap between the best and worst players in the Korean pro scene is much, much smaller than it ever has been 3 - Both Bisu and Jaedong were playing in and won at least one starleague during their 6 month periods (how else would they be playing ~100 games in 6 months?) Overall, pretty much 100% agreed with Oystein. 1 - The difference is that a sub-50% player in Boxer's era was sub-50% after already qualifying for tournaments. The first ever ODT wasn't until 2002. In Boxer's time, the only games factored in were Ro16 or better of any given tournament. Many of the sub-50% players of today have never once qualified for the Ro16 of a tournament. 2 - Yes. As I said, this is the only valid point to argue. The skill gap has decreased. But again, is that truly a facet of the metagame, or is it merely that nobody stands out like the bonjwas used to as the sole dominating force in e-Sports? 3 - It's true that Bisu and JD and Flash have been good about qualifying for leagues and even winning them. JD is probably the most accomplished Zerg of all time (though I wholeheartedly view Savior as having been more dominant) and Bisu is most likely the best Protoss of all time, probably better than Ra or Garimto. The only contender is Giyom, but it's hard to make comparisons there because Giyom was playing in a time before the professional league was really established and many of his big tournament wins aren't in TLPD or recorded by KeSPA. But having played 100 games in 6 months is actually not proof of having won a tournament during that time, or even necessarily having gone deep in one. Consider that Flash and JD and Bisu would have played probably 40 or 50 or even 60 proleague games during that time frame. I tried to explain this before: stats today cannot easily be compared with stats from the previous generations. With the heightened emphasis on PL and the longer tournaments (Ro32, Ro36, and whatnot), it's possible to achieve fantastic looking stats without even getting close to winning a tournament. Out of the 12 people who have entered the 2300+ ELO club, 3 of them have never even won a tournament and one of them has never even made a finals. Would you really say that Jangbi and Best are better than Reach and Kingdom? And lately, we've had Flash on a tear, beating out all of the past bonjwas in ELO when his only recent accomplishment is winning GOM? How can you say that's superior to someone who qualifies for 4 or 5 Starleauge finals in a row?! And then you have the fact that right now there are two people over 2300 ELO. What? And one of them didn't even make a finals last season? How could this happen? That's not to say "Flash sucks" or anything, because his current form is absolutely god-like. Only his TvP shows anything remotely resembling a weakness and it's hard to believe that anyone human could stand up to him. But was it not the same for the bonjwas? The metagame changes of Starcraft have not just been in terms of build orders and strategy. When Boxer was bonjwa, proleague did not even exist. Now it is the single most presitigious event in professional gaming. More games are played today, but don't hold that against the past bonjwas. Anybody who has been following Starcraft for a long time knows that progamers are very streaky. Give a player more opponents to face while he's hot and you're going to give him a bunch of wins; give him more opponents when he's slumping and he's going to walk away with a string of losses. The most impressive thing about Flash and JD should not be the raw number of games played, but that they maintained those win percentages over such long periods of time. Because time is the enemy of any dominant gamer. | ||
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etch
Canada176 Posts
I think it might be better to look at a certain number of games rather than a length of time. Bisu and Jaedong for instance played ~twice the number of games as Boxer. I must say though, it's nice seeing him at the top of a list like this even after all this time. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On November 14 2009 22:55 L_P_Monix wrote: Jaedong played an obscene amount of games in those 12 months Goddamn yea. That's a win like every three days. | ||
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