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StorK IEF Champion："It was lucky that I won"
First place winner of the 2009 IEF, Stork in a final defeated STX’s new player (not sure if this is correct)’s Terror in the StarCraft department but unfortunately his undefeated record have been finally been taken down in the final round. This is his interview.
-How did you feel after winning the tournament?
▲I didn’t really think that I would win, the other Korean players have been knocked out by foreigners in the group section so I am not really that happy about it!
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.
- Too bad you missed out on an undefeated victory.
▲ I was very disappointed. After I lost game two of the finals, I thought hard about why I had lost, and I realized I had forgotten to get dragoon range, which made me laugh. I make the mistake of forgetting upgrades frequently, so it was funny that it happened again.
-Thought on facing Koreans?
▲Since Bisu and I played each other in the finals last year, we were seeded for this year's tournament. When I saw the map pool for this tournament, I was a bit surprised. I worried that I might have to play Effort, and was preparing myself after he beat Bisu. But Effort got eliminated early which let me win the tournament. Still, I was a little disappointed because I've been doing pretty well lately, and I wanted to evaluate my skill against other Korean players in some unofficial matches.
-How does it feel facing Terror?
▲He was a professional gamer before as well my information on him is very little. My teammate helped me a lot!
-Samsung Khan lost again today in the Proleague
▲There are still about 50 games in the Proleague, after I get back from WCG, I will put tons of effort to carry our team to victory. If there is a person that can lead the team, then I believe we will get a huge moral boost so I want to be one leading.
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs).
-Any last word
▲Today was Brave’s debut match in the Proleague, he fought well but still lost. I think that if he can accumulate more experiences, his overall skills will increase so do not be too concerned about this lose. Hopefully our team can work their best to increase our ranking!
Sourse: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_42124.html
NOTE: This is my first time translating, it might be some grammar mistake. PLEASE go easy on me! ^^
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Yeeeaaahhh, go Stork! Make a comeback and carry Khan.
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Heh seems like Stork didn't really enjoy/care about the tournament.
Hopefully Stork can save Khan, they've been doing so poorly in the PL lately.
Thanks for the translation 
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stork forgot to upgrade dragoon's range...
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WHAT THE HELL HE LOOKS SO SKINNY!!
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On November 03 2009 11:58 windofsword wrote:
stork forgot to upgrade dragoon's range...
![[image loading]](http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd345/apex_1337/1a2a3a4-1a.jpg)
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103926 saracen
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Thanks for the translation!
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thanks for the translation!!!
Stork looks too skinny 
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nice translations.... I always assumed it would be a bisu-stork finals though : (
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Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far...
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Damn, his face does not look right. He needs some more meat on his cheeks. He actually used to look somewhat strong and fit when he had flesh left on those cheeks. Now he looks like a stereotypical gamer.
He looked pretty healthy when he was up against ggameo, wonder what happened in the last lil while.
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Chinese food is pretty oily/greasy, but it shouldn't affect you too much if you're only there for a couple of days for a tournament.
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He seemed a little hard on foreigners. Maybe its just the way I read it, but he seemed almost shocked that a foreigner beat a korean.
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On November 03 2009 12:19 dukethegold wrote:
Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far...
why do you think its a good thing to be self degrading...
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On November 03 2009 12:23 lone_hydra wrote:
Damn, his face does not look right. He needs some more meat on his cheeks. He actually used to look somewhat strong and fit when he had flesh left on those cheeks. Now he looks like a stereotypical gamer.
He looked pretty healthy when he was up against ggameo, wonder what happened in the last lil while.
Oh man, you're right. He's taken his diet a bit too far.
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Holy shit Stork looks so skinny now, it just... looks so wrong compared to the usual Stork =/
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On November 03 2009 12:33 DyEnasTy wrote:
He seemed a little hard on foreigners. Maybe its just the way I read it, but he seemed almost shocked that a foreigner beat a korean.
Everyone was, not just Stork.
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Thanks for the translation~
And oh my god! Stork looks like he's going to keel over any minute!
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On November 03 2009 12:35 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:19 dukethegold wrote:
Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far... why do you think its a good thing to be self degrading...
It's not that it is a good thing. But rather, a moderate dose of it keeps a player from slumping. While facing against a lesser player, the player won't be cocky about his own skill but rather put 100% into defeating his opponent. After winning a championship, the player won't think of himself as on top of the world and stop practicing. I think this factor played a part in Stork's overall consistency.
Thanks for the translation.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
Stork please start eating something before you cease to exist! :|
thanks for the translation!
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United States33388 Posts
Translation lost some details due to going from Korean to Chinese to English I guess, here's some tweaks and additions
On November 03 2009 11:53 Xiphos wrote:
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.
- Too bad you missed out on an undefeated victory.
▲ I was very disappointed. After I lost game two of the finals, I thought hard about why I had lost, and I realized I had forgotten to get dragoon range, which made me laugh. I make the mistake of forgetting upgrades frequently, so it was funny that it happened again.
-Thought on facing Koreans?
▲Since Bisu and I played each other in the finals last year, we were seeded for this year's tournament. When I saw the map pool for this tournament, I was a bit surprised. I worried that I might have to play Effort, and was preparing myself after he beat Bisu. But Effort got eliminated early which let me win the tournament. Still, I was a little disappointed because I've been doing pretty well lately, and I wanted to evaluate my skill against other Korean players in some unofficial matches.
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs).
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My question is how did he manage to get this thin in such a short period of time? What is he eating? Or not eating?
I am sure that July is interested in the answer.
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United States33388 Posts
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_-
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Thx Waxangel!
I am sure that the Chinese would forgive Stork. He doesn't deserve anti-fans.
Then again...even Boxer had anti-fans...
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Thanks for the translation.
I see I'm not the first to make this comment, but someone should tell Stork to get off his stupid diet already. He's starting to look anorexic.
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thanks for the translation! i've been waiting the translated one.
hope Stork will do well in the individual league too.
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On November 03 2009 12:42 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:35 IdrA wrote:On November 03 2009 12:19 dukethegold wrote:
Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far... why do you think its a good thing to be self degrading... It's not that it is a good thing. But rather, a moderate dose of it keeps a player from slumping. While facing against a lesser player, the player won't be cocky about his own skill but rather put 100% into defeating his opponent. After winning a championship, the player won't think of himself as on top of the world and stop practicing. I think this is the reason behind Stork's consistency. Thanks for the translation.
Actually no, Stork is a modest boy, I will hand it to you. But that doesn't make him any more consistent. He lost quite a lot of games last proleague, enough to be considered inconsistent. He didn't make anywhere near MSL or OSL final either. But he was always self-degrading, in every single interview. So I don't really think your logic works.
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heres a pic of stork showing off his new skinny bod-
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Stork's going to be the next Silent Control.
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On November 03 2009 12:41 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:33 DyEnasTy wrote:
He seemed a little hard on foreigners. Maybe its just the way I read it, but he seemed almost shocked that a foreigner beat a korean. Everyone was, not just Stork.
I'd be shocked too if i was practicing 12 hours a day in a professional environment , and losing to some foreigner who played half as much, or maybe even a quarter
Nice play from stork! but he looks so skinny now, lol he needs to go to China and eat that greasy food! xD
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On November 03 2009 12:51 LetMeShine wrote:
Stork's going to be the next Silent Control.
The fainting on the stage part, I am assuming? >.>
I hope that Stork is operating on the advise of a dietitian, not his girlfriend's.
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Maybe he's been working out.
Everyone needs to calm down. -___-
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On November 03 2009 12:58 BanZu wrote:
Maybe he's been working out.
Everyone needs to calm down. -___-
For the sake of qualifying into the "Nada's Body" thread, I assume? ^^
I need to see the six pack first.
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On November 03 2009 12:43 Waxangel wrote:Translation lost some details due to going from Korean to Chinese to English I guess, here's some tweaks and additions Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 11:53 Xiphos wrote:
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.
- Too bad you missed out on an undefeated victory.
▲ I was very disappointed. After I lost game two of the finals, I thought hard about why I had lost, and I realized I had forgotten to get dragoon range, which made me laugh. I make the mistake of forgetting upgrades frequently, so it was funny that it happened again.
-Thought on facing Koreans?
▲Since Bisu and I played each other in the finals last year, we were seeded for this year's tournament. When I saw the map pool for this tournament, I was a bit surprised. I worried that I might have to play Effort, and was preparing myself after he beat Bisu. But Effort got eliminated early which let me win the tournament. Still, I was a little disappointed because I've been doing pretty well lately, and I wanted to evaluate my skill against other Korean players in some unofficial matches.
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs).
Thanks Waxangel! I edited it out!
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woot happy for stork go stork!
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If becoming leaner means consistently winning. I support his decision to slim down.
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Stork: the coolest protoss in SC, and perhaps the chillest and coolest SC pro-gamer ever.
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United States1719 Posts
lol korean netizens are not happy with these results they are calling boxer bisu and effort an embarrassment to the country and demanding their retirement (jokingly... ok half-jokingly -__-)
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On November 03 2009 12:49 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:42 dukethegold wrote:On November 03 2009 12:35 IdrA wrote:On November 03 2009 12:19 dukethegold wrote:
Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far... why do you think its a good thing to be self degrading... It's not that it is a good thing. But rather, a moderate dose of it keeps a player from slumping. While facing against a lesser player, the player won't be cocky about his own skill but rather put 100% into defeating his opponent. After winning a championship, the player won't think of himself as on top of the world and stop practicing. I think this is the reason behind Stork's consistency. Thanks for the translation. Actually no, Stork is a modest boy, I will hand it to you. But that doesn't make him any more consistent. He lost quite a lot of games last proleague, enough to be considered inconsistent. He didn't make anywhere near MSL or OSL final either. But he was always self-degrading, in every single interview. So I don't really think your logic works.
Its what makes him awesome. Let the man be himself, though he is taking his diet too far. Stork needs to eat chinese food, put on some weight. Someone in korea please tell him this.
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On November 03 2009 12:44 Waxangel wrote:
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_-
On November 03 2009 12:46 dukethegold wrote:
Thx Waxangel!
I am sure that the Chinese would forgive Stork. He doesn't deserve anti-fans.
Then again...even Boxer had anti-fans...
I was reading the Chinese Netizen's comment, apparently, they aren't happy with Stork's comment about how greasy Chinese foods are, how their bands sucks and about saying china have a lot of H1N1. People are saying stuff like "Yes we might not be as good as your guys (the Koreans) in StarCraft but we will blow you out of the water with other categories." They are also pissed off because Pj/Jaystar practiced REALLY hard now but Stork seems to just saying that it was luck and whatnot. Yeah.....
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On November 03 2009 13:34 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:44 Waxangel wrote:
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_- Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:46 dukethegold wrote:
Thx Waxangel!
I am sure that the Chinese would forgive Stork. He doesn't deserve anti-fans.
Then again...even Boxer had anti-fans... I was reading the Chinese Netizen's comment, apparently, they aren't happy with Stork's comment about how greasy Chinese foods are, how their bands sucks and about saying china have a lot of H1N1. People are saying stuff like "Yes we might not be as good as your guys (the Koreans) in StarCraft but we will blow you out of the water with other categories." They are also pissed off because Pj/Jaystar practiced REALLY hard now but Stork seems to just saying that it was luck and whatnot. Yeah.....
Where did you get this? I want to read some of it.
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On November 03 2009 12:55 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:51 LetMeShine wrote:
Stork's going to be the next Silent Control. The fainting on the stage part, I am assuming? >.> I hope that Stork is operating on the advise of a dietitian, not his girlfriend's.
Yeah the fainting part. Stork really should take a leaf out of Flash's book and learn that you can still stay pretty slim and eat a lot if you spend the time working out. Stork is like a bad pasty white right now and its definitely not cool whether it be healthy or not.
Flash does look up to Reach so...
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To MuffinDude, Just go to the source and scroll down the comments sections and you will find it. Don't really understand why they get so pissed off.
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yeah Stork doesn't seem to care about the tournament and what it does for the global community, just that it was an opportunity for him to play some more koreans
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韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up.
You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage.
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On November 03 2009 13:40 Lumi wrote:
yeah Stork doesn't seem to care about the tournament and what it does for the global community, just that it was an opportunity for him to play some more koreans
Not even the $10,000 dollars? O.o
It's no OSL. But that's a very very nice amount of pocket money.
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On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage.
JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account.
Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments that states level 80 paladins and S class protoss aren't allowed to date.
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On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date.
Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =)
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On November 03 2009 13:51 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date. Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =)
Source?
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On November 03 2009 13:55 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 13:51 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date. Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =) Source?
Hell, I can't find it. I just remember someone mentioned that it was a warlock, but I don't know if he is just joking around so who cares.
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On November 03 2009 13:57 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 13:55 dukethegold wrote:On November 03 2009 13:51 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date. Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =) Source? Hell, I can't find it. I just remember someone mentioned that it was a warlock, but I don't know if he is just joking around so who cares.
It was the Power Rank lol.
I wonder if Stork got his flu shot yet. Probably not.
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On November 03 2009 14:05 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 13:57 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:55 dukethegold wrote:On November 03 2009 13:51 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date. Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =) Source? Hell, I can't find it. I just remember someone mentioned that it was a warlock, but I don't know if he is just joking around so who cares. It was the Power Rank lol. I wonder if Stork got his flu shot yet. Probably not.
The PR mentioned he was getting a level 80 warlock. However, I've heard from somewhere else that he had 3 level 80 characters, so he might have a pally too...
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On November 03 2009 14:11 cakemanofdoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 14:05 dukethegold wrote:On November 03 2009 13:57 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:55 dukethegold wrote:On November 03 2009 13:51 MuffinDude wrote:On November 03 2009 13:50 lone_hydra wrote:On November 03 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
韩国棒子，赶快回家吃你的白菜
This cracked me up. You korean stick, go back home and eat your cabbage. JUST EAT SOMETHING! Man, its too much for one man to manage a girlfriend, an extremely demanding job, and a WOW account. Yes, Stork is so awesome that he has a girlfriend and plays WoW and caused a time space paradox as a result of this enigma. But he is being punished by the Blizzard gods for breaking one of the 10 gaming commandments of states level 80 paladins aren't allowed to date. Sorry, hes a level 80 warlock, and warlocks got succubus. =) Source? Hell, I can't find it. I just remember someone mentioned that it was a warlock, but I don't know if he is just joking around so who cares. It was the Power Rank lol. I wonder if Stork got his flu shot yet. Probably not. The PR mentioned he was getting a level 80 warlock. However, I've heard from somewhere else that he had 3 level 80 characters, so he might have a pally too...
Wtf, I was just joking about Stork distorting time and space but I think there is something X-file fishy going on. Imma go steal his time machine.
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go back home and eat ur fuckin kimchi
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2009 14:20 YPang wrote:
go back home and eat ur fuckin kimchi
ahhahahaha
tsk tsk storky!
other than that congrats to him for WINNIng O_O and i wonder what happened with effort bisu boxers games lol
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On November 03 2009 14:28 alffla wrote:ahhahahaha tsk tsk storky! other than that congrats to him for WINNIng O_O and i wonder what happened with effort bisu boxers games lol
Pj had a probe with 4 kills against effort.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
loooooololol dissing china's food
<3 stork
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Do you think there will be any reps?
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I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
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sigh.. Stork has been poop-socking too much lately with his WoW addiction
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On November 03 2009 15:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
He was honest. It shouldn't be construed as an insult to china. Chinese food doesn't fit with his diet and he doesn't like the music. He was scared of catching a disease in a foreign country, like anyone who travels anywhere ever should be.
How is that offensive, really.
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Dragoon range.....again!? =)
I love you stork!
On November 03 2009 15:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 15:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
He was honest. It shouldn't be construed as an insult to china. Chinese food doesn't fit with his diet and he doesn't like the music. He was scared of catching a disease in a foreign country, like anyone who travels anywhere ever should be. How is that offensive, really.
Do you remember when SARS happened?
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Stork, you need to eat more buddy.
Fuck, I think he has anorexia now Not good.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Rofl Goon Range again. Yet he still manages to deliver some great games even without it.
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51448 Posts
of course stork would hate chinese music after listening to that suwon suwon guy.
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lmao stork and his goon range. Thanks for the translation!
On November 03 2009 15:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
Go read the other 50000 cookie cutter interviews and stop moaning about one of the only ones where a progamer acts like something other then a robot
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there are so many things about china and chinese people that you can pick at haha
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Braavos36375 Posts
On November 03 2009 15:49 ProbeSaturation wrote:
there are so many things about china and chinese people that you can pick at haha
hahahahahhahaha...
ahhahahahah...
hahahah...
haha...
-_-
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Katowice25012 Posts
Stork: unbeatable when he remembers dragoon range
Thanks for the translation!
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On November 03 2009 15:53 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 15:49 ProbeSaturation wrote:
there are so many things about china and chinese people that you can pick at haha hahahahahhahaha... ahhahahahah... hahahah... haha... -_-
Ouch.... oh well yay for stork winning it
Though he looks really skinny.
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wtf Stork ahahahahhahhaa even after that Goon Range fiasco v. Bisu in the MSL Finals, you still forget goon range now? I would think that would be one of the most important things Stork would try to remember to do.
*Pregame*
Stork: "Ok, don't fuck this up, don't fuck this up, don't fuck this up."
*15 minutes later*
Stork: "Why are my goons moving so close....Oh wait....T________T"
Hopefully Stork doesn't forget to upgrade goon range during the OSL/MSL again. That would be both hilarious and disheartening at the same time.
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs).
lol
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China.
That means he likes Kpop, not Cpop.
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Yeah he looks way to skinny ... what happened to you Stork ...
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hoho, then he's gonna LOVE chengdu, oil is a sichuan specialty like garlicky/onion is to korea, butter is to to france, peanutbutter is to malay, vinegar-thai, etc.
anyway only the very sensitive are moaning. if a dude doesn't like oil then get steamed food, or complete soy-based vegetarian which came out of China to begin with, so on. The possibilities are endless. stork will learn that a big country like china's not gonna have just 1 school of food
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On November 03 2009 15:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 15:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
He was honest. It shouldn't be construed as an insult to china. Chinese food doesn't fit with his diet and he doesn't like the music. He was scared of catching a disease in a foreign country, like anyone who travels anywhere ever should be. How is that offensive, really. Actually, comments on H1N1 and Chinese food were his fault (assuming that translation is correct). The only thing that shouldn't be seen as an insult is his favoritism of Korean pop stars.
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hes allowed to have preferences in music but not in food?
and you're far more likely to get sick while traveling, thats not insulting to china either.
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On November 03 2009 17:05 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 15:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 03 2009 15:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I am a huge Stork fan, but that was too much.
Maybe he should have said, "I get homesick when I go to China, so I don't know if I want to do this again," instead of what he actually said.
He dissed China's:
-- dietary habits/standards
-- (pop) culture
-- health/hygiene
in no time flat.
Sounded like kind of a jackass...
Whether or not his opinions are defensible is irrelevant. You don't step on foreign land and rail against it when you can easily speak nothing of it. There's a difference between honesty and unnecessarily expressing your displeasure.
Should have been:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Yes. Yes I can.
Was:
-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲ Oh, good God, no. This place sucks! Let me list the reasons why:...
He was honest. It shouldn't be construed as an insult to china. Chinese food doesn't fit with his diet and he doesn't like the music. He was scared of catching a disease in a foreign country, like anyone who travels anywhere ever should be. How is that offensive, really. Actually, comments on H1N1 and Chinese food were his fault (assuming that translation is correct). The only thing that shouldn't be seen as an insult is his favoritism of Korean pop stars.
I don't see how not liking a certain country's food can be insulting
I, for one, don't really like Indian food. And besides, I know friends who don't like korean food and they tell it to me straightforward, and we're all cool about it.
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to me, korean food is pretty suck, too spicy
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People are afraid of H1N1 when they have to travel in general, not just to China. That comment has nothing to do with China has more diseases or whatsoever. Some people are overanalyzing stuffs ...
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On November 03 2009 12:35 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:19 dukethegold wrote:
Did anybody else notice? Stork is so self-degrading!
I won due to good luck... I was scared... I didn't think I could win...
But he won anyway. The other Koreans got cocky and got eliminated. Stork played scared and won.
I LOVE STORK!
He seriously simply tells you whatever he thinks during the interview. No boring crap like "I will practice even harder to win more." "It's all thanks to my teammates" "If I push harder, I can win more", rather he tells you "I think that Chinese food is bad for my diet".
Love his last words as well. So supportive! I seriously hope that he can return back to the S-level player that he is and carry Khan once more to victory.
STORK FOR LEGEND OF FALL! DOUBLE CROWN!
P.S. I think that Stork is taking his dieting a bit too far... why do you think its a good thing to be self degrading...
I think its self-deprecating not self-degrading....
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On November 03 2009 16:10 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs). lol
rofl
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On November 03 2009 12:04 Seraphim wrote:
WHAT THE HELL HE LOOKS SO SKINNY!!
indeed
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i haven't realized that stork lost a lot of weight until this pic...
and i wonder why both bisu and stork don't like china?
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chinese food > korean food imo
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it's funny how they underestimated so much the foreign players althought i can`t fell angry at all because of that
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United States2822 Posts
I think it's particularly funny about how he's worried about H1N1 because I swear, a new story in K-Pop/K-Drama comes out every day about how <insert star here> was just diagnosed with swine flu.
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I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it).
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China3334 Posts
On November 03 2009 12:44 Waxangel wrote:
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_-
We know this, come on. Chinese/Japanese/Korean (alphabetic order) are bashing the other two all the time. I'm not Korean-friendly and I don't expect him to be Chinese-friendly. I don't care actually. He's someone who plays SC well but I might never know forever in the real life. It doesn't help if he likes China/Chinese food/Cpop. It doesn't hurt either if he dislikes them.
You and I do the same things. We are even 
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On November 03 2009 13:14 0neder wrote:
Reach: the coolest protoss in SC, and perhaps the chillest and coolest SC pro-gamer ever.
There, fixed it for you.
Not too sure how serious his comments about foreign events are. But travel to another country and you'll have different music/food. Get over it.
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Hahaha about Stork worrying about swine flu - GUESS WHAT I WORRIED BOUT when I went to Kor? lolol. oh and the food thingy made me crack up - I was mostly eating cerials in kor.
FML.
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On November 03 2009 21:40 Emlary wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:44 Waxangel wrote:
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_- We know this, come on. Chinese/Japanese/Korean (alphabetic order) are bashing the other two all the time. I'm not Korean-friendly and I don't expect him to be Chinese-friendly. I don't care actually. He's someone who plays SC well but I might never know forever in the real life. It doesn't help if he likes China/Chinese food/Cpop. It doesn't hurt either if he dislikes them. You and I do the same things. We are even
Im not agree, Stork is bashing China in the interview, which is totally different thing compared to some random netizen, who's bashing eachother on the internet.
To Stork, I dont care if those food or cpop things are true or not, but being a progamer, I think your main job is playing starcraft, right? Complain about food and chinese pop doesnt bring you a win.
that's just my opinion.
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On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it).
Someone likes Chinese food, someone not. But no one forces Stork to eat Chinese food, there is tons of Korean/Japanese/Western restaurant in China.
I remember I was with Chinese player in WCG Cologne, they didnt like the food, but they still ate it and shut fuck up, because they are more mature than Stork.
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On November 03 2009 22:10 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Hahaha about Stork worrying about swine flu - GUESS WHAT I WORRIED BOUT when I went to Kor? lolol. oh and the food thingy made me crack up - I was mostly eating cerials in kor.
FML.
LOOOL
I still don't understand why people are surprised about the whole bashing thing. Everyone does it. It makes the interviews interesting.
Stork EAT MAN EAT!!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it).
hmmm i never really felt that chinese cuisine was unhealthy lol but w/e
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On November 03 2009 22:23 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it). Someone likes Chinese food, someone not. But no one forces Stork to eat Chinese food, there is tons of Korean/Japanese/Western restaurant in China. I remember I was with Chinese player in WCG Cologne, they didnt like the food, but they still ate it and shut fuck up, because they are more mature than Stork.
mature like being a whiny little bitch because someone said what they thought in an interview?
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China3334 Posts
What's wrong with the food? One of my friends from Hangzhou said Sichuanese food/hot pot (typical heavy-oil) are greasy, too.
When I was in France, I went to Chinese restaurants for lunch every day. My French colleagues asked me why. My answer was I prefer Chinese food to French food. They weren't enraged. Instead, they introduced me both good Chinese and French restaurants (to have another try) in Paris.
Cool down. No one likes Stork because he's morally right/great. Everyone here knows him as a progamer. That's it.
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On November 03 2009 22:43 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 22:23 emucxg wrote:On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it). Someone likes Chinese food, someone not. But no one forces Stork to eat Chinese food, there is tons of Korean/Japanese/Western restaurant in China. I remember I was with Chinese player in WCG Cologne, they didnt like the food, but they still ate it and shut fuck up, because they are more mature than Stork. mature like being a whiny little bitch because someone said what they thought in an interview?
Why Stork didnt complain about IEF rules then? Yeah, because it was Korea who decided the rules.
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On November 03 2009 22:43 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 22:23 emucxg wrote:On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it). Someone likes Chinese food, someone not. But no one forces Stork to eat Chinese food, there is tons of Korean/Japanese/Western restaurant in China. I remember I was with Chinese player in WCG Cologne, they didnt like the food, but they still ate it and shut fuck up, because they are more mature than Stork. mature like being a whiny little bitch because someone said what they thought in an interview?
Agreed. He did win, they asked him about his opinion and he gave it. You kids have got to stop being so defensive and just enjoy the interview.
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why would he complain about ief rules? he won it and the format was fixed by the foreigners before he even arrived.
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On November 03 2009 22:54 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 22:43 IdrA wrote:On November 03 2009 22:23 emucxg wrote:On November 03 2009 21:21 RamenStyle wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Stork's comments. Btw, there are countries which have healthier gastronomy than others, and China is not on top of that list, and I know what I'm talking about having lived in China for 3 months(ok, maybe not enough time to try ALL food over there, but enough to get a pretty good hint of it). Someone likes Chinese food, someone not. But no one forces Stork to eat Chinese food, there is tons of Korean/Japanese/Western restaurant in China. I remember I was with Chinese player in WCG Cologne, they didnt like the food, but they still ate it and shut fuck up, because they are more mature than Stork. mature like being a whiny little bitch because someone said what they thought in an interview? Agreed. He did win, they asked him about his opinion and he gave it. You kids have got to stop being so defensive and just enjoy the interview.
Waxangel asked Chinese about his opinion and I gave it.
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i think chinese food is unique and some people won't like it thats all
no big deal that someone doesn't like it and is being vocal about it
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On November 03 2009 23:10 phrixus wrote:
i think chinese food is unique and some people won't like it thats all
no big deal that someone doesn't like it and is being vocal about it
Yay finally a rational Chinese individual in this thread.
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he complains about the food just because he is on diet. who knows if he can choose what he wants to eat in China or not? so I don't see anything wrong with what Stork said.
and people shouldn't expect he says all the perfect things every time. He is just a progamer, not someone who is trained to talk well.
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I simply found it interesting that Stork is not willing to let himself go for even just couple days in WCG. I mean, you don't go to another country, an all paid for trip, all that often. If it was me, I'd just screw my plans and enjoy the rare occasion. I think that Stork is too tough on himself.
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Dunno if idra and the others in Korea can confirm but isn't Stork known for this sarcastic/irony/quirky sense of humour? He says random things like toss being weak and Zerg being a "swindle" on national tv so this is not out of character for him...
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I noticed stork looked skinnier (sexier too)!
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Chinese people, especially younger people, are pretty nationalistic and generally defensive when it comes to comments about China. And indeed, the majority of SC fans were quite pissed about Stork's comments. It's kind of odd, considering Stork is a just a regular 20 yr old young guy who gave his opinion on some food.
Personally, I blame it on Stork's diet. As someone with low metabolism and constantly needs to watch his weight, I understand what Stork's saying. He has a diet that he's comfortable with, and one that allowed him to lose a lot of weight. He doesn't like to change it, for fear that it will affect his regiment. I really don't think he's saying that Chinese food sucks. Rather, I think he just doesn't understand enough of Chinese cuisine to "pick" the dishes that fits into his diet. Hence such an uninformed remark.
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Yeah, Stork probably doesn't know of Chinese food.
But he's just on a diet. Stop complaining. If he went to a region of Korean where there is oily food he would also complain.
Oh and Stork needs to stop dieting. He is looking unhealthy now.
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Is that pic current? He looks tiny due to his dieting I guess but he also looks way younger. His response about China seemed a bit stupid, he's worried that all food in China is greasy lol? And srsly he's not some old person he shouldn't worry about getting a little cold...
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Yes Stork lead the team please.
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On November 03 2009 22:49 Emlary wrote:
What's wrong with the food? One of my friends from Hangzhou said Sichuanese food/hot pot (typical heavy-oil) are greasy, too.
When I was in France, I went to Chinese restaurants for lunch every day. My French colleagues asked me why. My answer was I prefer Chinese food to French food. They weren't enraged. Instead, they introduced me both good Chinese and French restaurants (to have another try) in Paris.
Cool down. No one likes Stork because he's morally right/great. Everyone here knows him as a progamer. That's it.
No one likes stork? What?
And chinese food is really oily. I probably have to use a tissue roll to soak up all the oil. But that also depends on the kind of food you eat.
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On November 03 2009 12:44 Waxangel wrote:
Just wondering, how do Chinese fans feel about his pretty blatant China bashing?
He pretty much says Chinese bands suck, and he doesn't like the food -_-
I'm Chinese and it doesn't bother me at all. His critiques are valid. A lot of Chinese food really is greasy, especially for a foreigner who doesn't know which foods to pick. Also, Chinese music does kind of suck. I try hard to listen to C-Pop because it's my Chinese peoples, but god it sucks hard. Jay Chou is like the one saving grace. K-pop is miles ahead in terms of sophistication right now.
So, really, no, I actually agree with what Stork says. Now if he said something ridiculous like Chinese people are bad, or this country sucks, or just some other sweeping generalization that is an obvious shot at Chinese people solely for being Chinese, then I'd be offended.
As it is, he's just telling it like he is. Which is why I <3 Stork.
P.S. Stork eat some pork buns before you die of anorexia.
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I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
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When I first read this interview I was like 'eyebrows are gonna be raising because of the h1n1 and food comment'. People like Stork can be very blunt about. Would have been better if he kept the comment to himself because some people do get offended. But hey, Stork is Stork and that's how he does interviews.
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chinese fodd kicks ass in my opinion,and this progamer is scared of h1n1,shit man don t be a fucking pussy
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On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people.
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On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people.
If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining?
And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic.
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On November 04 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people. If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining? And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic.
Surely you can't think that the Chinese people on this board are representative of the Chinese population in general? Especially since very few true Chinese actually bother to post on an English message board.
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On November 05 2009 02:26 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people. If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining? And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic. Surely you can't think that the Chinese people on this board are representative of the Chinese population in general? Especially since very few true Chinese actually bother to post on an English message board.
Hey Baubo, thanks for interjecting some much needed ethno-centrism into the mix. What exactly is the definition of a "true Chinese?" I'd love to hear your interpretation.
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On November 05 2009 03:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 02:26 baubo wrote:On November 04 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people. If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining? And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic. Surely you can't think that the Chinese people on this board are representative of the Chinese population in general? Especially since very few true Chinese actually bother to post on an English message board. Hey Baubo, thanks for interjecting some much needed ethnocentrism into the mix. What exactly is the definition of a "true Chinese?" I'd love to hear your interpretation.
One that's born and raised in China? As opposed to Chinese Americans or Chinese who grew up in western society. Perhaps the word "true" is kind of bad. Maybe I should've said "native" instead.
Why is this ethno-centrism? I'm speaking of practicality. They don't post on English message boards because their English is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to post on English boards. And therefore they surf on websites in Chinese, which they're familiar with because it's their native language.
Do you think it's ethnocentrism if I told you that most true Americans don't post on Chinese boards? And that any American who do is not representative of US people in general?
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I was born in China and raised there for about 7 years. I grew up in that society and knows the cultures VERY well. Stork's comment about not liking greasy food because of diet problems doesn't really bother me that much because he is just trying to lose a few pounds that's all. The H1N1, I am pretty sure that's just about travelling in generals, I mean here in Canada, there are plenty of news papers article that urges people to stay grounded (even stay at their vocation spot) so that they won't spread the flu or get it on the way. Naturally Stork would be concerned about getting on a plane. I think the thing about the music performance wasn't meant for the Chinese musics but rather wishing the SNSD, SHINee and IU would be in Korea. However the only part that I am not too fond of is that he is saying the Chinese were fluking in the tournaments and whatnot because I am pretty sure that they practiced extra hard against the Koreans.
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Wow why is an "interview" turning into "my nation is better than yours" thread?
After about page 3 this thread turned into "Chinese food does not sux, go shove kimchi up urs" and then "kids are brainwashed into nationalism" then someone does the right thing and wants ppl to "chill it's just an interview what's wrong with not liking Chinese food" then blabla
Guess what, I did exactly what started this mess: simplifying something and putting some sweet bias in it to fire up a discussion. So thanks for reading the above but please forget what you just read.
I'm a Canadian citizen, born in Korea, I'm not picky about food, I'm not very scared about swine flu but my image of China doesn't include best hygiene. I like K-pop better than C-pop, but I usually listen to K-ballad most of the time.
I'm no Stork, but I'm a Stork fan!
Going to read original interview and see what he actually said.
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On November 05 2009 10:24 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 03:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 05 2009 02:26 baubo wrote:On November 04 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people. If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining? And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic. Surely you can't think that the Chinese people on this board are representative of the Chinese population in general? Especially since very few true Chinese actually bother to post on an English message board. Hey Baubo, thanks for interjecting some much needed ethnocentrism into the mix. What exactly is the definition of a "true Chinese?" I'd love to hear your interpretation. One that's born and raised in China? As opposed to Chinese Americans or Chinese who grew up in western society. Perhaps the word "true" is kind of bad. Maybe I should've said "native" instead. Why is this ethno-centrism? I'm speaking of practicality. They don't post on English message boards because their English is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to post on English boards. And therefore they surf on websites in Chinese, which they're familiar with because it's their native language. Do you think it's ethnocentrism if I told you that most true Americans don't post on Chinese boards? And that any American who do is not representative of US people in general?
Maybe it's a problem of English being your second language (if it is. I don't know much about you, unfortunately.) True really has a lot of bad connotations when you use it in the sense of "true" Chinese.
I don't want to be an anal-retentive jerk but there's no such thing as a "true" Chinese. Much like the Han ethnicity is a mutt-up of all kinds of different people. There's no such thing as Han ethnic purity.
Also, by your definition, I could find some Turkish Uigur guy who herds goats on Tian Shan and he would be more "Chinese" than a Han Chinese from California.
It's just a very foolish way of trying to categorize things. Chinese that are born outside of China can identify as Chinese people just as strongly as a Chinese person born in China. I get just as offended when someone calls China a communist dictatorship full of dog eaters and baby killers.
It's a very sticky topic and sweeping generalizations are probably not going to be accurate. I could cite numerous instances where Chinese are not "native" to a region. Would you say people from Yunnan are not "true" Chinese? That used to be Nanzhao territory in the Tang dynasty. Using the logic of being born in a certain place just doesn't work very well.
I could of course extrapolate what you're saying to a broader definition of immersion in Chinese culture, yada yada, about how genuinely Chinese someone is, but that is equally inaccurate. You would need to define what exactly is Chinese culture, and again I could cite numerous aspects of Chinese culture that are externally derived, such as farming rice instead of millet, Sichuan peppercorns coming from Portugal, Buddhism coming from India, Chinese people settling in the Yangtze River valleys, etc etc ad infinitum. Really, anyone who is a scholar of Chinese history knows that to accurately define what is genuinely "Chinese" would be an exercise in futility.
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Kids, this is not the "Let's Debate Nationalism" thread; this is the thread to discuss Stork's IEF winner interview. Now, in said interview, Stork said that he didn't like going to China because he's scared of catching swine flu while travelling, the food is too greasy for his dieet, and he doesn't like the music as much as Korean music; now, if that really bothers you (and why should it?), then that's fine. Go ahead and say your piece...and then let it go.
If you really do want to discuss nationalism, then please take it to the Off-topic forum. Thanks.
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Great translation, thanks again. Keep it up
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he looks like he lost 10 kgs.
regarding the stork HATES china slant.
waxangel is the agent provocateur here.
"how do you guys feel? stork said he HATES you"
besides, a japanese or korean "bashing" china is as cute as a little boy fuming at his daddy.
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Liking food/music isn't the same thing as hating a country.
I despise Indian food and Indian music. Is this insulting to an indian? Why should it be? People should be treated with equal respect regardless of whether or not you find enjoyment in certain aspects of their culture. It's silly to be offended by Stork's comments.
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On November 05 2009 12:10 Captain Peabody wrote:
Kids, this is not the "Let's Debate Nationalism" thread; this is the thread to discuss Stork's IEF winner interview. Now, in said interview, Stork said that he didn't like going to China because he's scared of catching swine flu while travelling, the food is too greasy for his dieet, and he doesn't like the music as much as Korean music; now, if that really bothers you (and why should it?), then that's fine. Go ahead and say your piece...and then let it go.
If you really do want to discuss nationalism, then please take it to the Off-topic forum. Thanks.
Waxangel asked the Chinese TLers their opinion on the issue. People are debating what constitutes an actual Chinese opinion. This is pertinent to IEF since it's a Chinese-hosted tournament, hence why the interviewer asked Stork his opinion on the country. There is nothing off-topic about it. If you can't understand this, you probably shouldn't be calling other people kids.
Interview threads aren't purely for discussing Starcraft. That's why interview questions ask about all kinds of different topics not particularly related to the game.
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thanks heaps for the interview!
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Waxangel asked the Chinese TLers their opinion on the issue. People are debating what constitutes an actual Chinese opinion. This is pertinent to IEF since it's a Chinese-hosted tournament, hence why the interviewer asked Stork his opinion on the country. There is nothing off-topic about it. If you can't understand this, you probably shouldn't be calling other people kids.
Again, it's fine for people to say whether or not they're offended by what Stork said, especially if asked. But actually debating one nation vs another or one group of Chinese vs another is not a profitable discussion, as it is something that can not be definitively settled, leads to flaming, etc. And it is off-topic.
Nevertheless, I do apologize for the "kids" thing; that was rather arrogant of me. But my point still stands.
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I just finished reading the original (Korean) article on fomos.
Actually, I'm surprised that the translation was overall accurate because the OP link to the source article leads to the Chinese (already translated by someone else) article. We know Stork is Korean, and thus I'm assuming Korean article on fomos has the right to be considered "original".
Also, the OP also included a disclaimer at the bottom that it's his first translation and there might be errors. OK, fine enough, but you still have to take responsibility for your translations and its consequences (i.e. the nationality-flame-war). I have no right to discourage you from making further translations, but here's a word of caution: what's there in the Chinese article you found already passed through a Chinese translator and you know in broken telephone, the more links the message moves through, the worse it gets. The only one major mistake was the line about food - which you'll see in my translation later that although the words aren't so much different, the slight change in wording makes the interpretation of it very different.
I don't usually translate stuff because 1) engineering undergrad = deprived of sleep due to work overload 2) repeat reason 1.
But I do want to make sure that everyone has access to a more "directly translated" article - and I try my best as a translator to remain neutral. Most of the translation are similar with the OP, with the exception about the food part (I made it bold in case you wanted to skip to it).
My Translations (Korean -> English)
On the 1st (day of the month), "Commander Toss" Stork (Samsung KHAN) beat Terror[fOu] in the finals to win the Starcraft tournament of IEF 2009.
Stork was unbeaten until the finals but he couldn't achieve the all-win record due to his loss in the 2nd game of the finals. Still, he showed the high-level play of a progamer and won the tournament. (Terror[fOu] is listed as "amateur" - I think he retired already thus they don't call him "pro" anymore)
The following are the Q&A with Stork:
- Your first thoughts after winning IEF 2009
▲ I didn't have any special thoughts about it. I wasn't too ecstatic about it because I think I had an easier bracket to deal with due to the fact that other Korean players got knocked off earlier.
- Korean players got knocked off the group stage
▲ During the tournament I was on different floors/sections so I didn't know the results until some time later. The results did indeed shock me. If they didn't play overly aggressive they should have been able to advance to the elimination stages. I was disappointed that they didn't make it. I personally focused on playing an adaptive style based on my opponents' play.
- You narrowly missed the all-win
▲ I'm a little ashamed of myself for that. I thought about why I lost game 2 of the finals and later realized I forgot to upgrade dragoon's range and chuckled. I made those mistakes before and I made the mistake again today - so I thought it was kind of funny.
- Did you want to play against other Korean progamers
▲ Bisu and I were in the finals last year so we were seeded in the tournament. When I looked at the maps, I got a little nervous/anxious. I was worried I'd have to face EffOrt (I guess Stork doesn't want to face a Zerg in the maps given) and Bisu lost to EffOrt so I mentally fortified myself for a possible match against EffOrt. Actually, EffOrt not making it to the elimination stages probably helped me win today. Still, I thought it'd be nice to test my skills against other top Korean progamers in a non-official match, and I'm disappointed that I couldn't do that today.
- How were the matches against Terror[fOu]
▲ It wasn't very difficult to get information about him since he was formerly a progamer. My teammates helped me find information about him.
- KHAN lost today in the proleague
▲ There's still 50 games left. Right now we're in last place but I'll try my best to put my team back on the top after WCG. I win games and motivate my teammates like a good leader.
- You are now seeded for the next IEF
▲ I heard the IEF is going to be held in China next year; that means that I'll be going to China for two years straight because WCG this year is held in China as well. I'm a little scared of travelling overseas because of H1N1 and I'm reluctant/hesitant to eat the greasy dishes there because I'm on a diet. Moreover, if the concerts/performances would be better if they were Korean because I find Chinese concerts/performances boring. So it's not all smiles for going to China for two years straight. (smiles)
- Last words
▲ Brave played his first match in the proleague today and he lost despite trying his best. His skills will improve with more experience so I want him to keep trying hard. I want the whole team (KHAN) to work harder as a team and climb the proleague ranks together.
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My (not the article) thought's after translating it myself:
- Stork did indeed say that he finds Chinese performances "boring" and Korean performances better. Well, performances in your native tongue (which you can understand) and with the performers that you know (whom you're already familiar with) is probably going to be better for anyone.
- Stork did NOT say Chinese food is bad - he just said he doesn't want to eat the greasy dishes because he is on a diet.
- He did not directly put down foreign players, but yes he did say it would have been harder for him if Korean progamers advanced to the elimination rounds.
Original Article: (In Korean)+ Show Spoiler +1일, 수원종합경기장에서 열린 IEF 2009 스타크래프트 부문에서 ‘총사령관’ 송병구(삼성전자)가 아마추어 이철민을 제압하고 우승을 차지했다.
결승전까지 전승을 기록한 송병구는 결승 2경기에서 패하며 전승 우승에는 실패했으나 한 수 위의 경기력을 선보이며 우승을 차지, 프로게이머의 자존심을 지켰다.
다음은 송병구와의 일문일답
- IEF 2009 우승을 차지한 소감은
▲ 우승에 대한 생각을 못했다. 한국 선수들이 외국 선수들에게 일격을 당해서 대진운으로 우승한 것 같아서 크게 기쁘지는 않다.
- 한국 선수들이 외국 선수들에게 패하며 탈락했다.
▲ 방송경기를 한 다음에 플로어에서 경기할 때는 경기장이 반대라서 결과를 늦게 알았다. 결과를 듣고 충격을 받았다. 안정적으로 했다면 올라갔을 텐데 그러지 못해서 진 것 같아 아쉬웠다. 나는 최대한 맞춰가는 플레이를 하기 위해 노력했다.
- 전승 우승을 아쉽게 실패했다.
▲ 많이 아쉽다. 2경기가 끝나고 왜 졌을까 하는 생각을 한 결과 나중에 보니 사업을 안 했더라. 그래서 웃음이 나왔다. 업그레이드나 리서치를 안 하는 실수를 많이 했는데 오늘도 그런 실수를 해서 웃었다.
- 한국 선수들과 경기해보고 싶은 생각은 없었나
▲ 택용이와 나는 작년에 결승에 올라갔기 때문에 시드를 통해 이번 대회에 참가하게 됐다. 맵을 보고 사실 조금 당황했다. (김)정우를 만날까 봐 걱정했는데 택용이까지 패하는 것을 보고 마음을 굳게 먹고 있었다. 그런데 정우가 일찍 떨어져서 우승할 수 있게 된 것 같다. 그래도 최근 열심히 하고 있어서 한번쯤은 한국 선수들과 비공식전에서 한번 만나서 실력을 체크해보고 싶었는데 그러지 못해서 조금 아쉽다.
- 이철민과의 경기는 어땠나
▲ 예전에 프로게이머로 활동했던 선수라서 정보를 얻기 편했다. 팀원들의 도움도 있어서 승리할 수 있었다.
- 오늘 팀은 프로리그에서 패했는데
▲ 아직 50경기가 남았다. 지금은 꼴찌지만 WCG 다녀오고 나서 열심히 해서 팀을 상위권으로 올리겠다. 한 사람이 정말 잘하면 팀원들도 성적이 향상된다고 생각하기 때문에 내가 그 리더의 역할을 하고 싶다.
- 다음 대회 시드를 확보했다.
▲ 내년에는 IEF를 중국에서 한다고 들었는데 WCG도 중국에 가고 IEF도 시드를 받아서 2년 연속 중국에 가게 됐다. 요즘에 신종 플루 때문에 외국에 나가는 것도 두렵고 살을 빼고 있어서 중국의 기름진 음식이 부담스럽기도 하다. 게다가 축하 공연도 한국이면 기분 좋게 볼텐데 중국은 재미가 없었다. 그래서 중국 행이 좋지만은 않다(웃음).
- 끝으로 하고 싶은 말은
▲ 오늘 처음 출전하는 (임)태규가 정말 열심히 했는데 아쉽게 졌다. 경험이 쌓인다면 실력이 더 좋아질 것 같으니 좌절하지 말고 열심히 했으면 좋겠다. 다들 열심히 해서 상위권으로 올라갈 수 있도록 한마음 한 뜻으로 잘하고 싶다.
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Man, chinese people are so sensitive.
I blame it on their insecurity.
boo hooo
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Forget Chinese food, Stork looks more like he's trying the starving third world country diet. Male anorexia?
Just work out a lot and you can eat all the greasy fatty food you want.
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On November 05 2009 11:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 10:24 baubo wrote:On November 05 2009 03:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 05 2009 02:26 baubo wrote:On November 04 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:On November 04 2009 18:49 pubbanana wrote:On November 04 2009 17:41 Velr wrote:
I really don't get some people.
If someone would complain about Swiss Music or stereotype Swiss Foods. I wouldn't feel insulted at all, chances are high that he doesn't like Cheese, Milk and Potatoes. Why should anyone be insulted by that? I mean, I'm still staggered by what kind of music it makes to the top of our charts, just as staggered as I am that there are actually really are people over 10 years of age that like C, K or J-Pop.
As explained earlier in the thread, the Chinese are extremely nationalistic. I would assume much more so than Swiss people. If i look in this thread, there aren't really many chinese complaining? And yes, a good part of the swiss people, including me, are not very patriotic. Surely you can't think that the Chinese people on this board are representative of the Chinese population in general? Especially since very few true Chinese actually bother to post on an English message board. Hey Baubo, thanks for interjecting some much needed ethnocentrism into the mix. What exactly is the definition of a "true Chinese?" I'd love to hear your interpretation. One that's born and raised in China? As opposed to Chinese Americans or Chinese who grew up in western society. Perhaps the word "true" is kind of bad. Maybe I should've said "native" instead. Why is this ethno-centrism? I'm speaking of practicality. They don't post on English message boards because their English is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to post on English boards. And therefore they surf on websites in Chinese, which they're familiar with because it's their native language. Do you think it's ethnocentrism if I told you that most true Americans don't post on Chinese boards? And that any American who do is not representative of US people in general? Maybe it's a problem of English being your second language (if it is. I don't know much about you, unfortunately.) True really has a lot of bad connotations when you use it in the sense of "true" Chinese. I don't want to be an anal-retentive jerk but there's no such thing as a "true" Chinese. Much like the Han ethnicity is a mutt-up of all kinds of different people. There's no such thing as Han ethnic purity. Also, by your definition, I could find some Turkish Uigur guy who herds goats on Tian Shan and he would be more "Chinese" than a Han Chinese from California. It's just a very foolish way of trying to categorize things. Chinese that are born outside of China can identify as Chinese people just as strongly as a Chinese person born in China. I get just as offended when someone calls China a communist dictatorship full of dog eaters and baby killers. It's a very sticky topic and sweeping generalizations are probably not going to be accurate. I could cite numerous instances where Chinese are not "native" to a region. Would you say people from Yunnan are not "true" Chinese? That used to be Nanzhao territory in the Tang dynasty. Using the logic of being born in a certain place just doesn't work very well. I could of course extrapolate what you're saying to a broader definition of immersion in Chinese culture, yada yada, about how genuinely Chinese someone is, but that is equally inaccurate. You would need to define what exactly is Chinese culture, and again I could cite numerous aspects of Chinese culture that are externally derived, such as farming rice instead of millet, Sichuan peppercorns coming from Portugal, Buddhism coming from India, Chinese people settling in the Yangtze River valleys, etc etc ad infinitum. Really, anyone who is a scholar of Chinese history knows that to accurately define what is genuinely "Chinese" would be an exercise in futility.
You know, just assume I said "Chinese" then. If that makes you feel better. This is just a message board. No need to make such a large amount of implications based on an off-hand comment about what kind of people would post on a forum about a game.
Regardless, if you want to discuss further about Chinese people, I wouldn't mind. But this is not exactly the thread to do it. And I don't exactly want to argue with a fellow Stork fan. There aren't too many of us on here.
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-You can participate IEF again next year.
▲I heard that IEF will be in China next year and same with WCG this year, the winner of IEF will also have to go to China, this will be 2 years straight going to China. I am very concerned about H1N1 so I am not feeling comfortable leaving the country and plus I am dieting too, China have too much greasy food so it might affect my diet. Also, I would enjoy the music performances if the tournament was in Korea, but not so much in China. So a trip to China isn't all good (laughs).
LOLWAT, H1N1 is one topic, but food and music entertainment as reasons not to go to china to win 10,000 LOOOOOL
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LOLWAT, H1N1 is one topic, but food and music entertainment as reasons not to go to china to win 10,000 LOOOOOL
He didn't say that. He said that he'd prefer if the IEF was in Korea because of the music and food.
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