EPTWoes of Fantasy - Page 2
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66224 Posts
Valkyries were used since the times of Boxer So were vulture harass Ninja expos were frequently used by oov | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Against jaedong in the osl semis game 5 on rotk. he walled using his factory, and his vulture was blocked by jd's zerglings. this happens TWICE. What does fantasy do? Change his build? Try getting wraiths? No, he continues to build vultures, and losing them to JD's growing zergling force. It was way too late to do anything by the time the first lings got to his wall. That's a terrible example because he seriously had 0 options. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
I'm saying would he be good if he DIDN'T use all of those things. Read op properly. /me smacks kona | ||
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konadora
Singapore66224 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66224 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:11 koreasilver wrote: It was way too late to do anything by the time the first lings got to his wall. That's a terrible example because he seriously had 0 options. A legit criticism to what Fantasy did there is that his strat loses automatically in that position to 9 pool speed, because of the units spawning on the wrong side. That was something Fantaasy should have realized in practice. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On September 07 2009 12:51 economist_ wrote: Dont think too much, this guy is perfect, his TvsP is now the best and entertaining as hell, his revolutionary TvsZ is on par with JD, his TvsT is only less favourite against Flash. What do you want more? The only remaining thing he needs to get is the mental strength from Oov, though... Perfect? Far from it. His TvP is great but I think Flash's is still better. His TvZ is on par with JD? JD is S-class in ZvT. Fantasy is S-class in TvZ? Umm... no. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
Terrans I prefer to watch playing instead of Fantasy at the moment are: Flash, Leta, Iris, SkyHigh, ForGG, Nada, Sea | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:16 motbob wrote: A legit criticism to what Fantasy did there is that his strat loses automatically in that position to 9 pool speed, because of the units spawning on the wrong side. That was something Fantaasy should have realized in practice. Of course, but the OP wrote it as if Fantasy's response was bad, which wasn't really the case. I mean, he says that Fantasy should have changed his build, get wraiths (lol wtf?), which is just completely wrong because there wasn't anything he could have done. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:17 Warrior Madness wrote: Without Jaedong's supreme mechanics, would he still be that great? Sounds silly right? Yes it does, because I'm not talking about that. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:12 BookTwo wrote: I KNOW THAT. sheesh. I'm saying would he be good if he DIDN'T use all of those things. Read op properly. /me smacks kona I sortof of think of fantasy like iris. Iris before his series vs savior he was considered another average macro terran. No one expected him to even take a game from savior especially with the tvz he showed before when he played keke on rlt. It was similiar to when fantasy played ggplay. Before he played ggplay he was just considered another macro terran. No one expected him to beat him especially with the past tvz he showed. I think without that style that defines his play right now he would probably have been just another bifrost. Average at best. Probably a starleague regular that never gets pass ro8. I remember oov when he became a coach he said that he thought fantasy had potential but he was too passive. It was when fantasy put his own agressive harass style until his play that he started getting really good. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:20 koreasilver wrote: Of course, but the OP wrote it as if Fantasy's response was bad, which wasn't really the case. I mean, he says that Fantasy should have changed his build, get wraiths (lol wtf?), which is just completely wrong because there wasn't anything he could have done. Wraiths to hunt ovvies. he had no den iirc | ||
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natturner
342 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:23 BookTwo wrote: Wraiths to hunt ovvies. he had no den iirc Yeah, because he's going to get a starport up and squeeze out a wraith when Jaedong is seconds away from breaking through his wall and killing everything. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 07 2009 13:15 konadora wrote: what i'm basically saying that he still has a high chance of winning even without all the vulture harass and clever builds and shit To be honest, I don't know if he's actually proven that. | ||
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Pathos
United States94 Posts
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