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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 23:22:35
December 11 2012 04:45 GMT
#1
I randomly decided to get onto ICCUP today and play a game of BW. I haven't played in several months, and I haven't played a serious game in over a year and a half now (thanks to SC2). And the last serious game of SC2 I played was still over a year ago (I burnt out quick after running my University's CSL team for a 2nd year in a row).

I play a couple of single player campaign games just to get the feel of using my keyboard, as well as the hotkeys, but nothing major.

I look for a D-level game, cause I know that I'm going to be really, really bad after taking this long off of playing. I honestly don't remember any of my build orders, or any of my drone count numbers that I used to always keep track of. Nothing.

I find a game, on Python (I have no idea how the newer maps look, so I stay away from any I don't know). I choose Z (my most comfortable race), and my opponent decides to go as P.

I open overpool 11 hatch (no real build order after this point, putting down a 3rd hatch before I take my gas), finding him with my overlord at close air positions, and make 4 zerglings, sending 1 to chase his scouting probe, while the other three to harass his forge FE. I am successful in killing 2 probes while attacking his nexus due to a building placement error on his cannon, while losing 1 zergling. I also manage to force him to slip up and lose his scouting probe, so I feel like things have gone my way so far.

I delay making more zerglings, and that comes back to bite me when he sends out his first 2 zealots to attack me, I end up losing 2 drones, but taking minimal zergling losses in the process, so it could have been worse. At this point, I decide to put down a 4th hatch in my base, and put down a hydra den, and go for a large mid-game presence while securing a 3rd, having not noticed a stargate at this point, and expecting templars.

But, stupid me, I took my 2nd gas way too early, and by the time I realized, I was floating nearly 1k gas. Duh. And, of course, this is right at the point where +1 attack finishes for him, and he has a small force of zealots streaming towards my base. I kill them all, but take some pretty heavy losses in the process (which could have easily been avoided if I built things in a more optimal order.....). I still feel like I have the advantage at this point, but not by as much as I did have.

I take my 3rd, and start a spire for some mutas to snipe templar, and to just cause some general chaos in his base. What else was I going to do with all the gas I had saved up (I don't like using lurkers in zvp, they feel way too immobile)? He sensed mutas somehow, and built a lot of cannons which finished just before I got into his base, so they did very little damage, however, I feel that his overreaction is what sealed the game. Because he built about 15 cannons, his ground army was far weaker than it should have been. This, coupled with the fact that I was intentionally going for a larger mid-game presence, led me to have insane map control in the mid-game, and easily secure a 3rd while denying him when he tried to take it.

Of course, when storms finished and he had a decent sized army (I did snipe a few templar, but lost all of my mutas eventually), he did try to push out and expand behind it. I split my army, keeping the bulk of it to attack his army, while sending a small amount to kill his expansion and the probe. With a bit of fancy micro, I managed to kill a few more of his templar that he left exposed, which really helped me out later, but I lost most of my army in the process of killing those templar and denying that expansion temporarily.

He managed to secure his 3rd right as his main was mined out, however, at this point, I had my 4th and 5th up, and just crushed his army with pure macro (I'm surprised at how well I was dodging his storms, a lot of them completely missed, or only hit like 1 or 2 hydras). With no real army left, no resources in the bank, and only 2 mining bases (soon to be just 1), he left.

After the match, I look up his match history, and in a previous season, he was C high. The rest of the time he was sitting at D+ with decent win ratios, so I know he's not completely terrible. Not stellar, but not terrible.

I did not even get any upgrades during the game, I completely forgot lol. I feel like I played way worse than I can potentially play (I made so many mistakes, I got supply blocked so fucking often, I was floating more resources than I should have at a few points, etc). But winning that game was soooooooo satisfying, I'm not sure why. It wasn't a particularly impressive game.

But it reminded me why I love BW. That game was more fun than any game of SC2 I've ever played. There's something about that shitty, old, ugly interface that leads to absolutely amazingly fun games. It felt so good.

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Next time, try to place your cannon so it can actually protect the nexus.


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While I didn't kill it, I did manage to cause a lot of havoc, and kill 2 probes at the cost of 1 zergling (and I only lost it because I am bad).


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So I heard.....


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That you really.....


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Like cannons..... (13 of them, not 15+, for some reason I thought he made more than that, it sure seemed like it was excessive.....)


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He tried expanding, so I killed it a minute later (not really worth putting a picture of it, I'm sure you can get a good idea of what the minimap looks like when it's missing a few red dots.


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15 seconds later, he quit, with his army completely destroyed.


EDIT 2 - Next blog

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~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 11 2012 06:06 GMT
#2
Wait, you went 4 hatch 2 base? Where did he place those cannons, any at the front?

Especially if he put down some at the front he may have expecting some sort of bust as a zerg on 4 hatches on 2 base, or a long time 2 base w/o going straight muta may have had him thinking some sort of allin/bust was headed his way.

Nice job on the win haha!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 11 2012 06:29 GMT
#3
Pics or it didn't happen.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 11 2012 07:45 GMT
#4
Nice job, I was thinking of getting back into BW myself but have been a bit uncertain about how many people would actually be on ICCup at the moment. How easy is it for you to find games?
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
December 11 2012 08:03 GMT
#5
Nice blog, but pics makes all the difference!
still 5/5, its BW after all
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 11 2012 08:44 GMT
#6
On December 11 2012 16:45 kollin wrote:
Nice job, I was thinking of getting back into BW myself but have been a bit uncertain about how many people would actually be on ICCup at the moment. How easy is it for you to find games?


Pretty easy at D, and at C-; gets harder after that. Pretty much gotta go to channel and msg people for games and hope they won't dodge or be afk. At that point most players head over to fish though.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
December 11 2012 09:04 GMT
#7
Nice blog

Long live BW!!!
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
December 11 2012 11:02 GMT
#8
On December 11 2012 15:06 L_Master wrote:
Wait, you went 4 hatch 2 base? Where did he place those cannons, any at the front?

Especially if he put down some at the front he may have expecting some sort of bust as a zerg on 4 hatches on 2 base, or a long time 2 base w/o going straight muta may have had him thinking some sort of allin/bust was headed his way.

Nice job on the win haha!

Yea, he put up a few extra at his front, but I was expecting to see that after he scouted 4 hatch in my base, and early hydras. And I also would have expected a couple of cannons in his main against mutas or drops, but he made an excessive amount imo. I'll post pics later to show what I mean.

I did delay taking my 3rd, because I know that I found you really don't need it early on with a 4 hatch hydra opening (if he sent his +1 zealot attack at my 3rd, there was no way I would have been able to hold it imo, but I didn't need it for the gas yet, nor did I need it for mining, since I wasn't overly saturated on either my main or natural until my 3rd finished). It's probably not optimal, but it's a small thing I know I used to do, so I just did it again anyways. I haven't played in a long time.....
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
December 11 2012 11:45 GMT
#9
On December 11 2012 16:45 kollin wrote:
Nice job, I was thinking of getting back into BW myself but have been a bit uncertain about how many people would actually be on ICCup at the moment. How easy is it for you to find games?

No idea, but it was fairly quick to find a D level game. It doesn't seem to be as busy as it used to be though
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
December 11 2012 13:00 GMT
#10
nice....

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Damn zerg macro mode


On December 11 2012 16:45 kollin wrote:
Nice job, I was thinking of getting back into BW myself but have been a bit uncertain about how many people would actually be on ICCup at the moment. How easy is it for you to find games?


If you can host you can play all day long.
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 11 2012 13:29 GMT
#11
Broodwar will always feel good .Paramore agrees with me

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
December 11 2012 13:35 GMT
#12
Where are the pics with the funny captions? Haven't you seemed the famed D- to C- battle reports?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 11 2012 15:43 GMT
#13
Well, he made it up for lack of photographs with pretty detailed BR :p
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 11 2012 20:00 GMT
#14
On December 11 2012 20:02 Impervious wrote:
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On December 11 2012 15:06 L_Master wrote:
Wait, you went 4 hatch 2 base? Where did he place those cannons, any at the front?

Especially if he put down some at the front he may have expecting some sort of bust as a zerg on 4 hatches on 2 base, or a long time 2 base w/o going straight muta may have had him thinking some sort of allin/bust was headed his way.

Nice job on the win haha!

Yea, he put up a few extra at his front, but I was expecting to see that after he scouted 4 hatch in my base, and early hydras. And I also would have expected a couple of cannons in his main against mutas or drops, but he made an excessive amount imo. I'll post pics later to show what I mean.

I did delay taking my 3rd, because I know that I found you really don't need it early on with a 4 hatch hydra opening (if he sent his +1 zealot attack at my 3rd, there was no way I would have been able to hold it imo, but I didn't need it for the gas yet, nor did I need it for mining, since I wasn't overly saturated on either my main or natural until my 3rd finished). It's probably not optimal, but it's a small thing I know I used to do, so I just did it again anyways. I haven't played in a long time.....


Yea the pics should be interesting as 15+ cannons is truly a crazy number. I mean 4 or 5 at the front and then 5 in each mineral line...sounds a little overkill haha.

I mean you do need em, esp if you skipped stargate, and obviously muta can do okay vs cannon with good mirco....but you still usually have an archon coming out or something to help.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
December 11 2012 21:59 GMT
#15
lovely blog 5/5

also some pics would be welcomed
ace hwaiting!!
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 02:06:54
December 12 2012 02:03 GMT
#16
PICTURES!!!!!

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[image loading]
Next time, try to place your cannon so it can actually protect the nexus.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
While I didn't kill it, I did manage to cause a lot of havoc, and kill 2 probes at the cost of 1 zergling (and I only lost it because I am bad).


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
So I heard.....


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
That you really.....


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Like cannons..... (13 of them, not 15+, for some reason I thought he made more than that, it sure seemed like it was excessive.....)


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
He tried expanding, so I killed it a minute later (not really worth putting a picture of it, I'm sure you can get a good idea of what the minimap looks like when it's missing a few red dots.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
15 seconds later, he quit, with his army completely destroyed.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
December 12 2012 03:07 GMT
#17
as long as you can make games you won't have any problems finding better opponents than yourself unless you're a top nonkorean. if you can't make games, expect to spend quite some time looking- so many people can't make anymore that public games are joined immediately, and chat channels are mostly just for chatting. :p
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
December 12 2012 03:37 GMT
#18
lol them cannons
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
December 12 2012 23:30 GMT
#19
On December 12 2012 12:37 puppykiller wrote:
lol them cannons

My thoughts exactly.
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