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Just some thoughts into the matter during my night of insomnia.
Ronnie Dio
On May 17 2010 17:34 icyF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2010 14:01 SoManyDeadLings wrote:On May 17 2010 10:50 Fumi wrote:On May 17 2010 10:35 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
God this music is absolutely terrible. I forced myself to listen to a whole min. of Holy Diver before I couldn't bare it any longer.
One less "artist" of this "music" in the world. Even if you don't like his music, a person just died, grow up. I don't care if you're a troll, just...go away. For once, I am not trolling. His music is absolutely terrible. Sad that I am a person has died, I was merely expressing my distaste for such shitty tunes. This thread is in no need of your ignorance. On topic. I am very sad to see Dio pass away. Such a great vocalist and frontman. R.I.P. Ronnie James Dio
On May 17 2010 16:14 Auronz wrote:
Seriously this guy should be banned... Fuck him!
I lol'ed hard in contempt and pity.
Just because an old musician dies there's no need to put him on a pedestal. Rachmaninoff died too, yet people are free to express their dislike for his music. If 50 Cent were to die in place of Ronnie today, I'm sure people would mourn for him and act with much hostility towards anyone who says anything negative about "Candy Shop", but you and I both know what a pitiful joke this "artist" really is.
I apologize for I am about to burst precious little bubbles, but only arrogant tone-deafs could so firmly believe others to be ignorant simply because they do not appreciate certain styles of "music".
Popular music in general has very little musicality in terms of harmony, dynamics, tonal variations and other musical elements. Heavy Metal is a bit better in this regard, as there are a few semi-decent songs that are bearable because they have been written by classical-turned-metal musicians but nonetheless, the genre overall still fits into the popular music category and what I have said applies 99.99% of the time. This is coming from someone who holds his ARCT performers in Piano so my neutrality is naturally questioned, but I listen to just about every style of music and occasionally enjoy the catchy hit songs, but ultimately popular music offers almost no musicality whatsoever.
Let's start with R.A.P. music, but since everyone already knows about the Retards Attempting Poetry, I rest my case.
Then there's J-K-C pop. Sure they arouse certain emotions and are interesting due to the often catchy melodies, but this only applies to the first 30 seconds of the songs heard. Just try and tell me how the ladies in Brown Eyed Girls are great musicians. Exceptions are always present, and the exception here is selected songs by the Chinese artist Jay Chou (#1 Pop artist in China); again, he is a capable classical pianist / cellist and employs an impressive variety of instruments in his songs.
Heavy metal, in general, puts a heavy emphasis on the speed of the music, mashes in a bunch of the simplest chords (the majority of power cords are merely just one interval, normally just the perfect fifth), employs hideously repetitive melodies and rhythms throughout entire songs and sings about the same and boring musical themes (often death, violence, and aggression).
It frustrates me when a certain upbring instills so much damage on one's ability to appreciate real music that they are blind-sighted into a such distasteful genres.
I'd like to throw in an analogy that a SC player could potentially empathize with. On TL you hear all the BW veterans crying about SC2 being dumbed down, while hordes of SC2 fanboys are there to lash out and defend Blizzard's new game. Why? If it's true that SC2 has been dumbed down so much, then why do people still enjoy it? Why would Blizzard implement the changes in the first place? The answer is simple; Blizzard chose to make SC2 more accessible to new players, sacrificing depth for increased revenue but in the end, people who never played BW would become accustomed to the SC2 mechanics and have a very hard time playing and enjoying BW. They would still enjoy SC2 immensely, however oblivious to all the map control concept, multitasking and sexy micro that defined BW. A similar story holds true for Popular Music vs. Classical Music. Sure Popular Music has been dumbed down immensely, but people who have never had proper musical training still enjoy popular songs despite being unaware of all the truly amazing aspects of Classical Music. The trend has only become worse and worse through time, with increasingly dumbed down songs gaining more and more popularity. To illustrate, the first search result on youtube for "Tik Tok" has a view count of over 20 million, in unfortunate comparison to the first hit for "Beethoven's 5th Symphony" which returns a meager result of under 1 million view count. Hell, there are more Tik Tok parodies on youtube than all the renditions of the 5th Symphony combined. Popular "Music" is no longer music, but rather carefully engineered sound waves designed solely to alter the listener's emotion by means of controversial themes and catchy but terribly repetitive melody/rhythm. Add flashy music videos, ridiculous stage choreography, and auto-tune for recent songs.
I guess my point is that the vast majority of popular music will not stand the test of time. People still listen to classical music hundreds of years old, just as how dedicated BW players still play a 12-year old game simply because both aforementioned things are fucking amazing. Yet, out of my somewhat impressive friend circle, I know NO ONE that still listen to older metal music, but I do know a friend who deleted his entire K-pop collection because he was “tired of this shit”. Think people will still listen to Genie or Holy Diver 200 years from now on? It is a possibility, but one that I’m willing to bet my life against.
“Leave me alone, I know my taste is shitty but it’s what I enjoy, so fuck off”. Quote the posts defending SC2 and half the posts in the K-pop discussion thread. Well, just as it would take time and effort to learn and properly appreciate BW, the same thing applies perfectly for Classical Music.
Pure Awesomeness
Listen to the piece in its entirety and maybe even the other movements, then if your brain jizzes in euphoria due to the overwhelming harmonies, dynamic contrasts, mood variations and heavenly melodies, then there may be hope music’s future after all.
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I think you're missing the issue here. The issue isn't what you reckon the best music is, or the best way to masturbate or if watching TV at a certain angle makes shit better.
You simply brought some bullshit that wasn't necessary in a thread about someone's recent death, and you got called out on it. Sometimes you just need to keep your opinions to yourself.
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classical music is best. I listen to it almost every day.
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You dont have a clue what you are talking about when you talk about heavy metal, dio or this community. Just nullified your whole post with a few idiotic statements.
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lolz, I only listen to classical music while i'm studying.... helps me concentrate... i think. but besides that, i love any other genre of more. sorry = (
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Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.
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LOL you say real music and then link to beethoven. So you are saying that just because people listen to it 200 years later, then it is by default better than other music? Anything you have to have "training" in order to like is not automatically better than something else. I could make the most pointlessly complicated game that requires years of study to even understand what to do, and that doesn't make it awesome. If nobody studied classical music, would it still be so "great"? Would it even be listened to? Besides, modern songwriter's goals aren't nearly the same as classical composers. If beethoven wrote lyrics to his symphonies, and sang them himself, would his music have the same effect nowadays?
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heavy metal is great
i really couldnt give a fig if its not musically advanced or repetition or what not, i just want something to sound good, not something to study
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Honestly, no one cares if you don't like the music, you don't need to start some blog to try to defend yourself when clearly you were wrong.
Thread says, XXXX musician has died. Many people reply with they are sad. You decide to post about how his music is terrible, and
"One less 'artist' of this 'music' in the world."
People tell you to grow up and get out of the thread.
Then you try to make a blog about how the music sucks while trying to defend yourself (no one probably bothered reading about it anyway)?
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Most of your respondents will flame you (and with some good cause), and won't even except your fundamental premise (that classical music is far richer then other styles).
Having got more and more into classical myself, I think you are right - by most benchmarks, it is simply superior. The starting point for a classical composer is an orchestra of masters and a absolute understanding of music itself. The starting point for a rock musician is 'I'd quite like to be in a band, and I can play some songs well''. I could go on...
However, despite me agreeing with your premise, I still think you're an idiot. Firstly, despite it's simplicity, there is still a lot of brilliance in non-classical music. There are many moments on a led zeppelin/radiohead/bob dylan/miles davis record which you simply do not find in classical music, and which are well worth hearing.
It's also easier to share experiences with non-classical music. To listen to a classical piece properly, you need to focus in a way you can't often do with friends. It's also much harder to discuss classical with people who don't have a lot of specialist knowledge.
Most importantly, even if you were right that non-classical is worthless, that's no excuse for posting in the Dio RIP thread like that. Do you really think the best place to make your ill-advised stand is in a thread mourning a dead singer?
Also, even if you don't like his music, his impact on rock culture was huge, and he had an undeniably unique voice. I'm not personally a fan of most of his work, but I can see he deserves respect.
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As someone who listens to both classical music (a lot of it, with a passion) and heavy metal, I regretfully inform you that your opinion is wrong.
I kind of agreed with your point until you said Jay Chou was legit. I lol'ed. What, because he used to play classical piano and cello, it automatically makes him "better?" Terrible, terrible damage.
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This is actually the worst blog I've ever seen.
First of all, you're completely distasteful about a man who has just died and who is obviously well liked by a large amount of people here. You insult him when it is completely unnecessary. I don't care how true it is, you keep that stuff to yourself because it is a horrible thing to say. It serves no purpose.
Then you go on to complain about what is wrong with different genres of music. You can't see past your own view of what you enjoy about music. It's completely ignorant. People like music for different reasons. I listen to/watch k-pop because the girls are hot and the songs are fun. Does that mean I can't enjoy prog rock? No.
You're trying to objectively argue that some music is bad. You can't do that. You can only do that if you set up some completely arbitrary features to judge it on, and therefore your argument completely falls down.
Try and see things from other people's perspectives instead of just judging everything by your set of rules, which hold no more merit than anyone else's.
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i fucking hate metal but some of my friends love it, but i'm not gonna put down their taste in music because i don't like it... cos in all seriousness what would i get out of that?
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At this point, I believe his troll account does deserve a ban.
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Seriously can't you just accept some people have different tastes to you? Just because you listen to classical music doesn't make you better than someone who enjoys pop music.
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On May 17 2010 20:05 snotboogie wrote:
I think you're missing the issue here. The issue isn't what you reckon the best music is, or the best way to masturbate or if watching TV at a certain angle makes shit better.
You simply brought some bullshit that wasn't necessary in a thread about someone's recent death, and you got called out on it. Sometimes you just need to keep your opinions to yourself.
This, exactly this.
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This is all opinionated.
Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things.
Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.
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As much as i agree with you that Rap/hip hop music is trash you have no right to speak of someone who recently died like that, even though i didn't listen to Dio there are people who did and are mourning him.
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beethoven is the pop of classic ~~
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On May 17 2010 20:28 SCC-Faust wrote:
This is all opinionated.
Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things.
Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.
wtf LOL
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