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BackHo[BLACK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 06:30:45
September 05 2009 06:29 GMT
#1
I was having this discussion with someone on a Christian forum which has since been shut down.

Some other poster:

Testimonies are nothing if not encouraging and are great to be able to read. Don't you guys think it would be great to have testimonies coming in on a regular basis for things big or small. I think that would rock! I don't know if you guys remember but I made a prayer request for my parents. They had seperated and were looking at divorce and I wanted prayer that they didn't make any rash decisions. Well thank you to those who prayed coz they're not getting a divorce (at least not in the near future) and have moved back in together. They've been back together for a couple of months now and things appear to be going well. Praise God.


So I replied with this:

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I think it's cool how you're wanting to make an effort to get everyone to post a little bit about their testimonies. I guess I could share something too.

I walked past a stall outside Foodtown today and my instant reaction was: "Oh no, it's those Red Cross guys again who want you to sign up for monthly donations". I admire what they do but they've stopped me quite a few times and it's hard to get away from them sometimes without being rude.

But then I saw what the elderly lady was raising money for - and it was for multiple sclerosis. One of the most heartbreaking things I've ever witnessed in my life is seeing the beautiful people my mother looks after with disabilities and all the pain that they have to go through. One girl, her name is Emily, she's suffered from it ever since she was a baby and it's so unfair on her. She has to have a carer 24/7 to look after her and often gets depressed because there's not a lot she can do. She doesn't really have many friends so please pray for her because she truly does deserve so much better than most of us.

Sometimes we have parties and the friends that we invite along are the ones who are all doing OK in life. At a lot of social events the people that you meet will often have things sorted out - good health, good wealth, and are climbing their way up to the top of the social ladder. Don't forget to make friends with those who truly need us the most though. I don't mean to advocate something like how the Green Party has a constitution which says one of their leaders must be male and the other female for the sake of gender balance and equality, but I really would hope that someday I'll be able to say to people that the friends I spend most of my time with are made up of those who are in the minorities in society, because at the end of the day they are the ones who will be able to empathise with you the most and truly care about how you are.

Luke 14:16 A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17 At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, 'Come, for everything is now ready.' 18 But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.' 19 Another said, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.' 20 Still another said, 'I just got married, so I can't come.' 21 The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.' 22 'Sir,' the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.' 23 Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those men who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.'


James 2:1 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, 'Here's a good seat for you,' but say to the poor man, 'You stand there' or 'Sit on the floor by my feet,' 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6 But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?


Then she replied with:

I'm not sure if I would call that a testimony...


And here to the purpose of this post - to say to Christians, today we consider testimonies to mean stories about how God is awesome, and we shape God into what we want to believe God is like. To further explain:

What is your definition of a testimony? A story about something that God has done for you?

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That whole idea, I think, smacks of the individualism that plagues Western evangelism today (the whole: “I AM important to Jesus” - way of thinking). Or to phrase it another way, I don’t think that everybody is equally important to God, and I don’t think we are all supposed to have a 'personal relationship’ with Him. We don’t need Jesus' salvation, help and/or rescue in the sense that other people do - if you are rich, comfortable and well-integrated into society (i.e. the average middle-to-upper-class Church-goer), Jesus probably would not have had much time for you. His time here on Earth was spent on the poor, disabled, outcasts and the ill, and I suspect if He were here today, He’d give far more attention to them and be hanging out with them than walking beside people like us. Which is why I think so many worship songs today are misleading - they make it seem like God pays full attention to us and our cares and so we end up singing about how great God has been to us rather than focus our energy to how we can carry out His legacy of ending injustices and poverty.

However, I know many here will disagree with me because at Church you're taught that everybody needs God no matter who they are and we've linked the problems we've faced in our own lives to the prayers we've prayed and so we are convinced that God has played a large part in how things have turned out. This is what I used to believe as well - until I realised that I wasn't going to save all of my non-Christian friends and that it is likely that most of them are never ever going to receive Christ into their lives and thus be 'saved'. You know, perhaps I could give a testimony about how God helped me get a cool job that I liked, and how He's looked after me and done lots for me in my life. But then my co-worker on the other hand might not attribute his success to God at all and yet be a more hardworking employee than I am and values respecting our boss far more than I do. So basically I'm happy because God has given me a job with a high pay and that satisfies me selfishly whereas he is happy because he gets to contribute meaningfully to society. And I'm sure if Jesus were here today, He would say to me: "You have called me Lord - yet this man is truly more worthy of being called My son".

Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'


I was at a Church service two Sundays ago where a pastor shared about how his mother received Christ during the last days of her life before she eventually succumbed to cancer and died. On the flipside my uncle who also died of cancer never had a chance to even hear about Christ, let alone receive Him into his life. Christianity is never quite so black and white, and I think the things I posted about above, about people with multiple sclerosis and how we must try to make an effort to not forget about them - to me that's what Jesus' life, teachings and ultimately what His testimony was all about - wanting us to remember the broken in society and do something for those who need our help because they can't help themselves. I consider raising awareness about social issues a testimony to the Lord, but of course, I am amongst the worst of those who never seem to quite do enough about it compared to all the doctors, nurses and carers who dedicate their lives to being there for them.
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 07:46:30
September 05 2009 06:40 GMT
#2
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll


User was temp banned for this post.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
September 05 2009 06:43 GMT
#3
On September 05 2009 15:40 SanguineToss wrote:
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll



Uhh, very harsh??


But testimonies are generally stories of what God has done for you, yeah. However, they don't all have to be positive as negative ones also reflect the reality.

motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 05 2009 06:43 GMT
#4
On September 05 2009 15:40 SanguineToss wrote:
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll

wow
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 07:47:23
September 05 2009 06:44 GMT
#5
Today we are going to talk about vacuum cleaners:

Did you guys know that vacuum cleaners are made up of only 6 integral components, if you are fascinated that such a complicated machine can be so simple check out the diagram below:

[image loading]


as we can all see, the first thing the sucks the dust is air and the part called Rotating Brush. It's not really a vacuum that sucks everything in it's wake. It's more of a broom except it uses electricity.

then after the dust or whatever you had that is being sucked by the vacuum cleaner, they go through what we call the FAN! so the fan is a rotating object that blows/sucks air. What happens now is the mystery we call the Filtering! The exhaust fan will burst hot air but traps the dirt/dust/whatever inside your vacuum and WALLA! the cycle goes on and on!

Backho please put this in the OP because this is very important to the people who will read this thread. Thank you berry much!


User was temp banned for this post.
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
September 05 2009 06:47 GMT
#6
On September 05 2009 15:43 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 15:40 SanguineToss wrote:
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll



Uhh, very harsh??


But testimonies are generally stories of what God has done for you, yeah. However, they don't all have to be positive as negative ones also reflect the reality.


no it's not this is his like 10th topic on religion and each have caused flame wars and arguments. He never learns a lesson or understand that religion is very controversial around tlers and it causes beef
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
September 05 2009 06:49 GMT
#7
On September 05 2009 15:44 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Today we are going to talk about vacuum cleaners:

Did you guys know that vacuum cleaners are made up of only 6 integral components, if you are fascinated that such a complicated machine can be so simple check out the diagram below:

[image loading]


as we can all see, the first thing the sucks the dust is air and the part called Rotating Brush. It's not really a vacuum that sucks everything in it's wake. It's more of a broom except it uses electricity.

then after the dust or whatever you had that is being sucked by the vacuum cleaner, they go through what we call the FAN! so the fan is a rotating object that blows/sucks air. What happens now is the mystery we call the Filtering! The exhaust fan will burst hot air but traps the dirt/dust/whatever inside your vacuum and WALLA! the cycle goes on and on!

Backho please put this in the OP because this is very important to the people who will read this thread. Thank you berry much!



Even bigger troll LOL



Ps I don't want to sound harsh and I'm sorry but op seriously needsto grow up and learn a lesson
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 05 2009 06:53 GMT
#8
On September 05 2009 15:47 SanguineToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 15:43 il0seonpurpose wrote:
On September 05 2009 15:40 SanguineToss wrote:
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll



Uhh, very harsh??


But testimonies are generally stories of what God has done for you, yeah. However, they don't all have to be positive as negative ones also reflect the reality.


no it's not this is his like 10th topic on religion and each have caused flame wars and arguments. He never learns a lesson or understand that religion is very controversial around tlers and it causes beef

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
mmmm beef
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 07:49:09
September 05 2009 06:55 GMT
#9
On September 05 2009 15:44 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Today we are going to talk about vacuum cleaners:

Did you guys know that vacuum cleaners are made up of only 6 integral components, if you are fascinated that such a complicated machine can be so simple check out the diagram below:

[image loading]


as we can all see, the first thing the sucks the dust is air and the part called Rotating Brush. It's not really a vacuum that sucks everything in it's wake. It's more of a broom except it uses electricity.

then after the dust or whatever you had that is being sucked by the vacuum cleaner, they go through what we call the FAN! so the fan is a rotating object that blows/sucks air. What happens now is the mystery we call the Filtering! The exhaust fan will burst hot air but traps the dirt/dust/whatever inside your vacuum and WALLA! the cycle goes on and on!

Backho please put this in the OP because this is very important to the people who will read this thread. Thank you berry much!



mummy always told me that it was little angels that make the vacuum go vroom and suck all the dirt up. this just looks too complicated to be possible, heretic. BURN


User was temp banned for this post.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
September 05 2009 07:00 GMT
#10
On September 05 2009 15:53 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 15:47 SanguineToss wrote:
On September 05 2009 15:43 il0seonpurpose wrote:
On September 05 2009 15:40 SanguineToss wrote:
man shut up with all ur religious shit(that's fucking offensive)
Uput a religious topic every week and it causes nothing but flame wars. If u have problems with Christianity why the fuck are u on that forum. All u fucking do is cause flame wars u troll



Uhh, very harsh??


But testimonies are generally stories of what God has done for you, yeah. However, they don't all have to be positive as negative ones also reflect the reality.


no it's not this is his like 10th topic on religion and each have caused flame wars and arguments. He never learns a lesson or understand that religion is very controversial around tlers and it causes beef

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
mmmm beef



Wow! did you say beef?

I found an awesome recipe about Shepherds Pie

Shepherds Pie

Serves 4
Preparation Time: 10 mins
Cooking Time: 40 mins

1kg Beef Mince
2 onions, peeled and finely chopped
olive oil
salt and freshly ground pepper
2 tablespoons tomato sauce
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1½ cups beef stock
1-2 tablespoons flour, with a little water to make a paste

Potato Mash:
1kg potatoes, peeled and cut into chunks
½ cup warm milk, or more if necessary
2 tablespoons butter
salt and freshly ground pepper
¼ cup cream

MINCE: In a heavy based fry pan, heat a little olive oil and cook the onions until they are soft. Remove the onions and set aside. Add a little more oil to pan and add the mince and saute until it browns. Add onions back to frying pan along with onions, salt, pepper, tomato and Worcestshire sauce and cook for a few minutes before adding the stock. Bring to the boil and simmer uncovered for 30-40 minutes. When the mince is cooked add the flour paste and cook over medium heat for a few minutes stirring constantly. Taste for salt and pepper and remove from heat.

MASH: Cook potatoes in a large saucepan of boiling salted water until tender. Drain and tip back into the saucepan. Add the remaining ingredients and mash together until light and creamy.

TO ASSEMBLE: Grease a suitable size casserole dish and pour in the hot mince. Spoon over the mash and spread out to cover mince evenly. Cook on the centre shelf of preheated 200°C oven until top is golden brown.


here is a picture of shepherd pie:

[image loading]


Damn! that makes me look hungry!
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 05 2009 07:07 GMT
#11
It is my expert testimony/opinion that the OP post severely overestimates the lengths required to make your average forum netizen to lose attention. Religion is a cancer on rationality - it makes you believe things happen because you wished for them. Any time wasted on talking about how it "helped" you could have been better spent on doing what actually needs to be done.

Ultimately, everything is done by the people. We are the cause of happiness and unhappiness of ourselves and others.

PS: those are some tasty looking pictures in thar thread.
bigsack
Profile Joined August 2007
Korea (North)220 Posts
September 05 2009 07:13 GMT
#12
Wow this thread is so random.
Hilary Clinton for 2008
caldo149
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 07:14:14
September 05 2009 07:13 GMT
#13
OP why did you even post this here on TL of all places? You were even discussing this on another forum...

my definition:
Testimony: (n) The story a person tells when trying to recount past events to others. The story may be partially or wholly fictional, depending on the person's motives and memory.

For me this word has no religious connotations, because I am not a religious person.
no one really cares how you define a specific word
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
September 05 2009 07:20 GMT
#14
On September 05 2009 15:55 lazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 15:44 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Today we are going to talk about vacuum cleaners:

Did you guys know that vacuum cleaners are made up of only 6 integral components, if you are fascinated that such a complicated machine can be so simple check out the diagram below:

[image loading]


as we can all see, the first thing the sucks the dust is air and the part called Rotating Brush. It's not really a vacuum that sucks everything in it's wake. It's more of a broom except it uses electricity.

then after the dust or whatever you had that is being sucked by the vacuum cleaner, they go through what we call the FAN! so the fan is a rotating object that blows/sucks air. What happens now is the mystery we call the Filtering! The exhaust fan will burst hot air but traps the dirt/dust/whatever inside your vacuum and WALLA! the cycle goes on and on!

Backho please put this in the OP because this is very important to the people who will read this thread. Thank you berry much!



mummy always told me that it was little angels that make the vacuum go vroom and suck all the dirt up. this just looks too complicated to be possible, heretic. BURN



No my dear, angels do not exist per say by OP
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
September 05 2009 07:49 GMT
#15
If you dont want to discuss the topic, dont post.
ModeratorGodfather
Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 08:10:42
September 05 2009 08:10 GMT
#16
A very interesting study done with pigeons by a psychologist of the name of B.F. Skinner. It has to do with "superstitious behavior" and is worth a read if you haven't heard of it already. Somewhat related to these testimonies that include a "god" or "supernatural presence".

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Skinner/Pigeon/

...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
September 05 2009 08:40 GMT
#17
Well, considering the context of the forum in which the post was made, I wouldn't really have interpreted her definition of 'testimony' as anything but a personally-effected testimony to God's greatness. Especially since she followed up her request with a testimony of how prayer was (apparently) able to bring her parents back together (for the time being). This, however, doesn't take away from the wtf ignorance she demonstrated throughout both of the posts you have given us.

On a related note: the more I visit religious discussion sites, the more I see of cluelessness, narrow-mindedness, and blissful yet frustrating ignorance. I feel so enraged at times I just want to bitchslap these people back to school. For example, I've recently read a blog where some idiot was blathering on about how people shouldn't trust 'the government or science' and then going on by 'blaming the fall of this country (the USA) on the lack of true faith and one common religion'. Christ, she didn't have a single clue in her head as to the ridiculousness of 'one common religion' in such a diverse country as the USA! And she wasn't one of those extremist crazy types either, just a simple fool who probably never took a history or social studies class. /rant
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Mah Buckit!
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 09:06:10
September 05 2009 09:01 GMT
#18
They say God is omnipotent.
If I look around me and think a little I have to say he is some wacko sadist.
Yes if we believe in God we can thank him for all that´s good and right, but at the same time we have just him to blame for everything thats f´d up. Now I see a lot more of these bad things --> God is bad/evil/shitty w/e...

When I think of this I think I wouldn´t be Christian if I knew God existed.

Of course, Christian God never existed so I really don´t see the point of being a Christian. Doesn´t that mean you are ok with all the shit in this world , be it done by God or some other way?

E. I mean I don´t understand how people can "understand" all these contradictions:
God is good and omnipotent = Dying, suffering, famine etc...
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Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
September 05 2009 09:27 GMT
#19
On September 05 2009 16:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
If you dont want to discuss the topic, dont post.


Religion is one of those things where people feel they have a duty to post their conflcting (and often inflammatory) views.

Which is another reason why it has no place here.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 05 2009 09:30 GMT
#20
On September 05 2009 18:27 Red_Storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 16:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
If you dont want to discuss the topic, dont post.


Religion is one of those things where people feel they have a duty to post their conflcting (and often inflammatory) views.

Which is another reason why it has no place here.

terrible reasoning.

The NFL thread is a place where people feel they have a duty to post their conflicting (and often inflammatory) views, perhaps about a team or a player. Yet no one would argue that, for that reason, the NFL thread should not exist.
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