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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States228 Posts
July 10 2009 13:17 GMT
#21
obviously iran assassinated jackson to get the media coverage off their backs
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Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
July 11 2009 05:58 GMT
#22
-.-
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 06:07:01
July 11 2009 06:03 GMT
#23
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 11 2009 06:07 GMT
#24
I question our generation. Michael Jackson dies and it's 24/7 news coverage. A real American hero dies and not a mention of it in the news. The media has no honor and God is watching

Why would you soil someone's memory by talking about someone else? "Friends and family of the deceased, we are gathered here today... to make obscure political commentary."
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 11 2009 09:13 GMT
#25
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

heh, this man does in fact speak truth.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
PriitM
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Algeria181 Posts
July 11 2009 12:46 GMT
#26
--- Nuked ---
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 12:49:13
July 11 2009 12:48 GMT
#27
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Gnojfatelob
Profile Joined April 2008
Belgium216 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 12:54:55
July 11 2009 12:53 GMT
#28
One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it.

And also this
I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys

Probably the best starcraft player in the world
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
July 11 2009 13:18 GMT
#29
On July 11 2009 21:53 Gnojfatelob wrote:
One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it.


yes
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
July 11 2009 15:12 GMT
#30
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 15:16:18
July 11 2009 15:13 GMT
#31
On July 11 2009 21:53 Gnojfatelob wrote:
One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it.

And also this
Show nested quote +
I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys


There was a draft during Vietnam. It was either fight in the war, be arrested, or flee to another country.

You act as if they were all blood thirsty savages that just wanted to pillage and burn another country. They were forced into it for the most part by the government in its attempts to stop the spread of communism in SE asia.

If you talk to most Vietnam vets they refuse or grudgingly talk about their experiences. It was horrible for both sides and many vets are shells of their former selves.

Before making comments like that you should have a little bit of knowledge about history instead of going on whatever skewed anti american bias you hold.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
July 11 2009 16:05 GMT
#32
On July 12 2009 00:13 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 21:53 Gnojfatelob wrote:
One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it.

And also this
I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys


There was a draft during Vietnam. It was either fight in the war, be arrested, or flee to another country.

You act as if they were all blood thirsty savages that just wanted to pillage and burn another country. They were forced into it for the most part by the government in its attempts to stop the spread of communism in SE asia.

If you talk to most Vietnam vets they refuse or grudgingly talk about their experiences. It was horrible for both sides and many vets are shells of their former selves.

Before making comments like that you should have a little bit of knowledge about history instead of going on whatever skewed anti american bias you hold.


I doubt his bias is "anti american" I know mine isn't. I despise soldier fighting for the nazi war machine, the russian raping polish women in ww2, the japaneese soldier in nanking just as much as I despise the american pouring napalm on people in vietnam.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
July 11 2009 16:30 GMT
#33
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
July 11 2009 18:58 GMT
#34
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.


Vassilli Zaitsev
Alvin York

Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day)
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 19:20:35
July 11 2009 19:19 GMT
#35
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote:
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.


Vassilli Zaitsev
Alvin York

Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day)


Pop idols haven't been in existence long enough to make that comparison.

Shakespeare, Beethoven, Mozart are better known worldwide than most any war heroes. And most people only know of war heroes because of a required curriculum during their education. Artists actually survive in popular culture. Shakespeare movies and live plays continue to be popular and classical music is constantly used for soundtracks and is performed live. The best treatment war heroes get is having their stories exploited for movie scripts.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
July 11 2009 20:41 GMT
#36
On July 10 2009 09:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys nevertheless he was probably an amazing guy


I hate people like you. You blame the soldiers, but you don't even mention the politicians who send them there.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 21:03:59
July 11 2009 21:01 GMT
#37
On July 10 2009 10:05 Titusmaster6 wrote:
I absolutely agree with this. Before MJ died, it was Iran 24/7, then MJ dies and in a couple hours, the news has been literally nothing but MJ.

It's a great thing to honor an icon like that, but I feel it's a great loss to the public that the news always covers things of greater financial or political interest instead of things of historical or intellectual importance.

Oh well.


The American people don't care about Iran. The American people care about Michael Jackson.

Oh, and enough of this "who should be remembered more" argument. In a thousand years, there will only be one name from our time who will be remembered: Hitler. It's a sad truth, but it's the truth. In 20 years nobody will even care about Michael Jackson or any other pop star or even war hero.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 21:16:35
July 11 2009 21:13 GMT
#38
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote:
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.


Vassilli Zaitsev
Alvin York

Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day)

Actually i didn't know who Alvin York was.
And i only know Vassilli Zaitsev because J.Annaud made an film on him. ( An action movie lol )

Anyway my point is that people like Patton or Rommel are remembered because they won battles and were military geniuses. They made history.

You can kill 10 guys with your bare hands and be a badass but you won't win a war or even a battle alone. That's why people like that remain anecdotic whereas you will find the names of Patton or Rommel in history books.

A general who is a war hero >>> a grunt who is a war hero ( for history )
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 11 2009 21:37 GMT
#39
On July 12 2009 06:13 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote:
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote:
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.


Vassilli Zaitsev
Alvin York

Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day)

Actually i didn't know who Alvin York was.
And i only know Vassilli Zaitsev because J.Annaud made an film on him. ( An action movie lol )

Anyway my point is that people like Patton or Rommel are remembered because they won battles and were military geniuses. They made history.

You can kill 10 guys with your bare hands and be a badass but you won't win a war or even a battle alone. That's why people like that remain anecdotic whereas you will find the names of Patton or Rommel in history books.

A general who is a war hero >>> a grunt who is a war hero ( for history )

It depends much more on how romanticized they are. I don't know any of those generals names, but I know who the Red Baron is. He's not even from my country, but everyone recognizes his skill.

I'll remember names like Abraham Lincoln and M.L.K. longer and better than I'll remember some random American Generals. Those types of people are only important to people who romanticize war and pretend its a glorious and noble thing. I tend to romanticize civil rights figures so those are important to me.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-12 00:04:19
July 12 2009 00:02 GMT
#40
On July 12 2009 06:37 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 06:13 Boblion wrote:
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote:
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote:
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote:
On July 11 2009 21:48 Boblion wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote:
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote:
war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars

doesn't matter what age or place you live in


I would most certainly disagree with you.

Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
P.G.T. Beauregard
George S. Patton

All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable.

War heros =/= generals war heros

;d

Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes.

Also Patton is not a Southern war hero.

Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general.
And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential.


Vassilli Zaitsev
Alvin York

Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day)

Actually i didn't know who Alvin York was.
And i only know Vassilli Zaitsev because J.Annaud made an film on him. ( An action movie lol )

Anyway my point is that people like Patton or Rommel are remembered because they won battles and were military geniuses. They made history.

You can kill 10 guys with your bare hands and be a badass but you won't win a war or even a battle alone. That's why people like that remain anecdotic whereas you will find the names of Patton or Rommel in history books.

A general who is a war hero >>> a grunt who is a war hero ( for history )

It depends much more on how romanticized they are. I don't know any of those generals names, but I know who the Red Baron is. He's not even from my country, but everyone recognizes his skill.

I'll remember names like Abraham Lincoln and M.L.K. longer and better than I'll remember some random American Generals. Those types of people are only important to people who romanticize war and pretend its a glorious and noble thing. I tend to romanticize civil rights figures so those are important to me.


Not to hijack the thread, but Lincoln was no civil rights hero. Do you know he imprisoned Ohio Democrats for disagreeing with him about the Civil War? Do you know he suspended Habeus Corpus?

Your great civil rights hero said this about slaves.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."

He didn't care about them, all he cared about was his damn precious Union (Forcing sovereign entities is not a Union.). That is why we call it the War of Northern Aggression (In case you didn't know, the Civil War started quite some time after S.C. seceeded and the soldiers (Union) in Fort Sumter wouldn't leave so they fired upon them as they were illegally inside a Sovereign country)
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
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