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Singapore6164 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 10 2009 10:21 arrrrmatey wrote: war heros are never remembered more than huge popstars doesn't matter what age or place you live in I would most certainly disagree with you. Robert E. Lee Stonewall Jackson P.G.T. Beauregard George S. Patton All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable. | ||
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Chef
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I question our generation. Michael Jackson dies and it's 24/7 news coverage. A real American hero dies and not a mention of it in the news. The media has no honor and God is watching Why would you soil someone's memory by talking about someone else? "Friends and family of the deceased, we are gathered here today... to make obscure political commentary." | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote: I would most certainly disagree with you. Robert E. Lee Stonewall Jackson P.G.T. Beauregard George S. Patton All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable. heh, this man does in fact speak truth. | ||
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PriitM
Algeria181 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 11 2009 15:03 Aegraen wrote: I would most certainly disagree with you. Robert E. Lee Stonewall Jackson P.G.T. Beauregard George S. Patton All great American War Heroes remembered time eternal. If you ever grew up and lived in the South, you would know we cherish our War Heroes and remember them time innumerable. War heros =/= generals war heros ;d | ||
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Gnojfatelob
Belgium216 Posts
And also this I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On July 11 2009 21:53 Gnojfatelob wrote: One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it. yes | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes. Also Patton is not a Southern war hero. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On July 11 2009 21:53 Gnojfatelob wrote: One killer saving the lives of other killers so they all live to kill again another day. I fail to see whats great about it. And also this There was a draft during Vietnam. It was either fight in the war, be arrested, or flee to another country. You act as if they were all blood thirsty savages that just wanted to pillage and burn another country. They were forced into it for the most part by the government in its attempts to stop the spread of communism in SE asia. If you talk to most Vietnam vets they refuse or grudgingly talk about their experiences. It was horrible for both sides and many vets are shells of their former selves. Before making comments like that you should have a little bit of knowledge about history instead of going on whatever skewed anti american bias you hold. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On July 12 2009 00:13 Pioneer wrote: There was a draft during Vietnam. It was either fight in the war, be arrested, or flee to another country. You act as if they were all blood thirsty savages that just wanted to pillage and burn another country. They were forced into it for the most part by the government in its attempts to stop the spread of communism in SE asia. If you talk to most Vietnam vets they refuse or grudgingly talk about their experiences. It was horrible for both sides and many vets are shells of their former selves. Before making comments like that you should have a little bit of knowledge about history instead of going on whatever skewed anti american bias you hold. I doubt his bias is "anti american" I know mine isn't. I despise soldier fighting for the nazi war machine, the russian raping polish women in ww2, the japaneese soldier in nanking just as much as I despise the american pouring napalm on people in vietnam. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 12 2009 00:12 Pioneer wrote: Lee and Jackson worth both compassionate men when it came to their troops and were very good tacticians and commanders. Their exploits in the Civil War should rank them among other war heroes. Also Patton is not a Southern war hero. Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general. And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 12 2009 01:30 Boblion wrote: Eh maybe i wasn't clear enough but i wanted to say that you can be both a war hero and a general. And a general who is a war hero is always more memorable than a "random" war hero because he is 1000x more influential. Vassilli Zaitsev Alvin York Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day) | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote: Vassilli Zaitsev Alvin York Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day) Pop idols haven't been in existence long enough to make that comparison. Shakespeare, Beethoven, Mozart are better known worldwide than | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On July 10 2009 09:19 Patriot.dlk wrote: I can't honor war heroes who fought for the bad guys nevertheless he was probably an amazing guy I hate people like you. You blame the soldiers, but you don't even mention the politicians who send them there. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On July 10 2009 10:05 Titusmaster6 wrote: I absolutely agree with this. Before MJ died, it was Iran 24/7, then MJ dies and in a couple hours, the news has been literally nothing but MJ. It's a great thing to honor an icon like that, but I feel it's a great loss to the public that the news always covers things of greater financial or political interest instead of things of historical or intellectual importance. Oh well. The American people don't care about Iran. The American people care about Michael Jackson. Oh, and enough of this "who should be remembered more" argument. In a thousand years, there will only be one name from our time who will be remembered: Hitler. It's a sad truth, but it's the truth. In 20 years nobody will even care about Michael Jackson or any other pop star or even war hero. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 12 2009 03:58 Aegraen wrote: Vassilli Zaitsev Alvin York Anyways, war heroes are remembered far longer than pop idols. You think people are going to remember MJ 300 years from now? Where as Erwin Rommel and Douglas McArthur will be remembered for eternity because their etched into the mythos. (Great Leaders will always be remembered, as for example the great battlefield commander Alexander the Great is still remembered to this day) Actually i didn't know who Alvin York was. And i only know Vassilli Zaitsev because J.Annaud made an film on him. ( An action movie lol ) Anyway my point is that people like Patton or Rommel are remembered because they won battles and were military geniuses. They made history. You can kill 10 guys with your bare hands and be a badass but you won't win a war or even a battle alone. That's why people like that remain anecdotic whereas you will find the names of Patton or Rommel in history books. A general who is a war hero >>> a grunt who is a war hero ( for history ) | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:13 Boblion wrote: Actually i didn't know who Alvin York was. And i only know Vassilli Zaitsev because J.Annaud made an film on him. ( An action movie lol ) Anyway my point is that people like Patton or Rommel are remembered because they won battles and were military geniuses. They made history. You can kill 10 guys with your bare hands and be a badass but you won't win a war or even a battle alone. That's why people like that remain anecdotic whereas you will find the names of Patton or Rommel in history books. A general who is a war hero >>> a grunt who is a war hero ( for history ) It depends much more on how romanticized they are. I don't know any of those generals names, but I know who the Red Baron is. He's not even from my country, but everyone recognizes his skill. I'll remember names like Abraham Lincoln and M.L.K. longer and better than I'll remember some random American Generals. Those types of people are only important to people who romanticize war and pretend its a glorious and noble thing. I tend to romanticize civil rights figures so those are important to me. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:37 Chef wrote: It depends much more on how romanticized they are. I don't know any of those generals names, but I know who the Red Baron is. He's not even from my country, but everyone recognizes his skill. I'll remember names like Abraham Lincoln and M.L.K. longer and better than I'll remember some random American Generals. Those types of people are only important to people who romanticize war and pretend its a glorious and noble thing. I tend to romanticize civil rights figures so those are important to me. Not to hijack the thread, but Lincoln was no civil rights hero. Do you know he imprisoned Ohio Democrats for disagreeing with him about the Civil War? Do you know he suspended Habeus Corpus? Your great civil rights hero said this about slaves. "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." He didn't care about them, all he cared about was his damn precious Union (Forcing sovereign entities is not a Union.). That is why we call it the War of Northern Aggression (In case you didn't know, the Civil War started quite some time after S.C. seceeded and the soldiers (Union) in Fort Sumter wouldn't leave so they fired upon them as they were illegally inside a Sovereign country) | ||
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