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I played two ZvPs with some guy, the first game was a one sided win for me and then I threw away the 2nd game even that I HAD A HUGE ADVANTAGE or so it seemed ;p
FFS.
It makes me RAGE SO MUCH. I shouldn't be losing like that, it's fucking retarded. Here's the replay: 0126 AqoZ MyStiQuEP.rep (2nd set)
Games like this make he hate the world and everything that lives on it. So much ANGER. FFFFFFFFFFffffff gonna stop iccuping for today -.-;
Like usually if I lose, I don't care, I'm totally cool with that, my opponent outplayed me, I learned new things, will improve in the future etc. But I was totally robbed off a ZvZ earlier today when I wasted EIGHT FUCKING LINGS after killing him a hatch (YES! OMG!).
Like, the game was in my pocket and then it FELL OUT. It kinda bumped my anger level up, but it was totally my fault for being retarded and greedy with my lings so I didn't care as much.
But now this ZvP is the straw that broke my back, RAGE MODE 100%, I hate this game ;_;
Just kidding I love Starcraft ;p gonna noob bash some D-/D players to relax. If any better players wanna point out what should've I done different in that game (to win) please do.
[edit] censored some rage :o
reading this post 5 minutes later is the funniest thing ever omg
  
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After some months away, two days ago I started playing bw. Yesterday I quit again. This game is too frustrating. 
edit: btw, you shouldn't be putting like "omg i shouldn't be losing to b- noobs, so retarded" or whatever when your only c rank with negative record. kinda contradictory.
lol, edit 2 to make my post make sense
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if that's the same mystique I'm thinking it is he's not a b- noob lol
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I don't know where you thought you had an advantage, you killed a few buildings and that was it, your mid game was really bad and your opening build didn't make much sense
you had 3 hatcheries and under 20 drones 11minutes in and you built useless sunkens when you already had him contained
if you concentrated more on your 3 bases and added more drones/hatcheries you woulda done alot more dmg, you shouldn't be calling others noob when you don't know how to build, he also had bad macro he just played standard and newb bashed you
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sunks -> DTs
drones -> this is how Z works
and I had way more than 20 drones, I don't know how you counted but I can easily find 28 drones on the 10th minute. I added them whenever I had windows for it.
My advantage was the tech lead and the fact that P still couldn't secure a 3rd while I could easily produce units.
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my point was you built sunkens before hatcheries, you dont need 3 sunkens and a spore to kill 1 dt
you can simply defend with hydras if you have him contained
you never had an advantage, stop saying you had 1, this was a basic pvz rape
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I'm going to watch that rep but if that's Mystique (the one from German) then he is a B-/B Protoss irrc
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I watched the game. You never had an advantage, ever.
Uh first off you have no drone saturation at all. Like at your main you didnt even have more drones than mineral nodes for atleast 14 minutes into the game. Your expansion drone saturation wasn't great either.
Second you threw away units left and right for small gains. The first being you made him cancel a single cannon at the cost of all your initial lings. You threw away your 3 mutas, hydras, and lurkers to snipe a building. Then you just kinda ran your units in late game at expansions to kill a few cannons while everything died to the rest of the cannons and the 2 reavers. You really need dark swarm for that kind of aggression.
Speaking of dark swarm, you had no defilers.
The protoss pretty much stomped you. Dont let your emotions get you so worked up, just look at what you did wrong and fix it. You don't look like you're a bad player you just kinda made some dumb agressive mistakes and had a bad economy going. You had some good templar snipes. Also remember to use defilers with your ultra/ling.
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I just watched the game and you never had any advantage during the game. I would say the Protoss was in the lead after his 3 zeal harass. I don't think the game should've lasted that long. If he has 2-3 temps when he had his huge zeal/goon/archon army on the top left of the map then he would've won when you attacked down he ramp but he didn't have any storms so the game just dragged on and he just built upon his advatange. Also you kept throwing away 2-3 ultras + groups of lings at expos and suiciding them to cannons and reavers.
Also, Mystique is pretty good. I guess the lurkers kinda confused him a bit cause he had 1600+ minerals for a long long time.
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Mystique sucks indeed and u should be mad u lost ;D
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would you care to post the game you won as well? I'm curious what kind of cheese you pulled off to net that game.
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I'm also interested in seeing the game that you won against Mystique.
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don't understand how you can say you had a "huge advantange." from the replay looks like you just got raped.
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you opened with 3 mutas, some lurkers, and some hydra on 3 hatches.
If you are going mutas straight out from spire (11+), having 3 hatcheries is fine (3 or 4 depending on opening and how fast you teched to muta)... If you are going hydra/lurk/ling, you need to set up 5 hatches first, with the 4th and 5th for production.
late game, if you want to base raid bases that have HT or reaver support, you need swarm. You need need swarm to fight an archon reaver ball.
The biggest points you should focus on is improving your econ management, not wasting units with overagression (though smart agression is very good), and having a solid opening for a solid midgame.
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Osaka27148 Posts
At 14 minutes 2 of your main mineral patches was still 1000+
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On July 09 2009 21:31 Manifesto7 wrote:At 14 minutes 2 of your main mineral patches was still 1000+
How do you avoid that? Why is that bad? Explain for me????
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I don't see why you people are making a big deal of the low drone count... I've seen A- ZvP replays where Z had like 17 drones on minerals on the 12th minute, depending on how the game pans out Z can't always pump drones like crazy, or else if P is smart he'll just attack at that point and win, Z has no units gg...
Anyway since people asked for the 1st game here it is: 0125 MyStiQuEP AqoZ.rep
If you expect to find some epic cheese brace for disappointment, the most cheesy thing was P trying to get cannons behind my 3rd's mineral line. I love when protoss players do that, yes, give me a free mineral advantage, why not :D
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Aqo, Zerg *can* play low eco but it doesn't mean that you have to. In fact I find that Zerg grows exponentially in power when you take that extra 30 seconds to pump some more drones in the beginning. Remember, just b/c some A- guy did it once, doesn't mean its always right.
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Hey don't get me wrong, up until a week ago I'd have over 40 drones in 9 minutes and would easily get 5/3 ultra out of 3base. As it turns out, this is not the best way to play. Any smart player who scouts Z doing this rapes him ez. I'm changing my gameplay all the time trying out different styles and see what works best for me, and this style just works TONS better than spamming drones.
This is also why my icc account has such a shitty win ratio, the trying-out-stuff thing ;p every once in a while I try out creative cheese stuffs... every once in a while it works too LOL
I had a game EXACTLY like Jaedong vs Stork on Colosseum last week maan I wish I watched the leagues /before/ doing that xD
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On July 09 2009 22:13 Aqo[il] wrote:
Hey don't get me wrong, up until a week ago I'd have over 40 drones in 9 minutes and would easily get 5/3 ultra out of 3base. As it turns out, this is not the best way to play. Any smart player who scouts Z doing this rapes him ez. I'm changing my gameplay all the time trying out different styles and see what works best for me, and this style just works TONS better than spamming drones.
This is also why my icc account has such a shitty win ratio ;p every once in a while I try out creative cheese stuffs... every once in a while it works too LOL
you don't know what you're talking about
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Osaka27148 Posts
Image macros suck. Don't do it please.
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sorry mani
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Do enlighten me lokiM, I'm always open for advice from better players. What kind of drone timing should I use to put myself ahead against P FE?
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you never had an advantage really and your macro sucked
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Thanks for your constructive messages too Zoler 
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On July 09 2009 22:17 Manifesto7 wrote:
Image macros suck. Don't do it please.
But its Uwe Boll :O
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im just stronger you,my friend said theres a blog about me lol so i regged on TL after 11years bw :D
np aqo your loss was normal this could have happend much more worser ! MUCH MORE ;p
where was your advantage?^^ game 1 was lucky
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<3 Mysti wanna play some more ZvP later no rank just for fun? ;p
I made you come into TL yay me ^_^
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hehe if i am online sure ^^ u can add me /f a MyStiQuE but not 100% sure if we will get it this day;)
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cool cya later then
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On July 09 2009 19:39 Pads wrote:After some months away, two days ago I started playing bw. Yesterday I quit again. This game is too frustrating. edit: btw, you shouldn't be putting like "omg i shouldn't be losing to b- noobs, so retarded" or whatever when your only c rank with negative record. kinda contradictory. lol, edit 2 to make my post make sense
ROFL "Last edit: 2009-07-09 19:55:24"
yeah he fixed it rofl. epic fail LIAR.
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im pretty noob but it seems to me if you didn't throw away all your units to those reavers when he was turtling at his expos you could have doom dropped his main and dropped all those gateways which woulda prevented him from massing those archons and you coulda just went muta to take out leftover reavers
im only D level tho xP
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On July 09 2009 21:57 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 21:31 Manifesto7 wrote:At 14 minutes 2 of your main mineral patches was still 1000+ How do you avoid that? Why is that bad? Explain for me????
Make sure all patches are being mined by an scv at all times. When you take off an scv to make a building or something, put another one on that patch. It's bad because it means that you're not fully using all your minerals patches.
If there are 9 patches and you neglect to mine from one or you mine less from a patch your rate of getting patches would be 8 patches x 8 minerals instead of 9x8. Even one mineral patch is so crucial in the amount of minerals mined for example on some maps with more minerals patches one base terran v. zerg is completely viable.
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On July 09 2009 21:57 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 21:31 Manifesto7 wrote:At 14 minutes 2 of your main mineral patches was still 1000+ How do you avoid that? Why is that bad? Explain for me????
You avoid that by having good worker saturation lol, make drones, probes or scvs so they mine and by that 14 minute mark if you're saturated well you should be running down the minerals.
Also you shouldnt try to argue with Mikol, he is a good player and also Zerg so i would take his advice in a freaking golden spoon instead of trying to tell him he is wrong. And even after he pointed this out every other person that posted said teh same thing "No huge advantage", "Poor saturation" etc. Take their advice dont argue with it, they are trying to help you not insult you.
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