• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:20
CEST 14:20
KST 21:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2911Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format10[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!1Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back6BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Latest hotfix to Patch 5.0.16 Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Co-op Commander Guide: Kerrigan
Tourneys
WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4849 users

Theravada Buddhism - Rebirth For Dummies

Blogs > Deleted User 3420
Post a Reply
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 26 2009 03:42 GMT
#1
Ok guys, I am going to try to give a brief lesson on the concept of rebirth in Buddha's teachings. It will be a 2 parter, with this first part introducing the basics.

First I would like to address some misconceptions about what rebirth is/is not.

Rebirth is not reincarnation. It is not the dying of a body and then it coming back to life.

Rebirth is also not the dying of a body and then coming back to life as another body. There is no soul in Buddha's teachings.

So then you may ask, what is reborn? Well, to explain this, I will first introduce the skandas.

The skandas are 5 elements(parts, classes of phenomena, whatever u want to call them) which make up what we experience in our lives. The skandas are manifested into experience through desire, but this is complicated and will probably be delved into in lesson 2.

The 5 skandas are classified as follows:

1.) Form (not particularily important to the lesson)

2.) Feelings (emotion, sensation)

3.) Perceptions (what you think of the feelings - like or dislike, etc)

4.) Volition (intent of your actions. karma is a result of this)

5.) Consciousness (your mental state, it is comprised of many mental factors, Theravada Buddhism separates it into 52 different mental factors)



Ok, so these 5 skandas are what comprise everything you experience. So, in reality, they are what you are. You are the 5 skandas, nothing more. Everything you feel, percieve, believe, remember, experience, it's all just the skandas. You are your skandas.

But the skandas actually come as a result of something else. The skandas are the result of craving. I will give an example, for the sake of simplicity I will choose an easy one to understand.

The 2nd skanda, feelings. When you feel pleasure, it is the 2nd skanda. Now - feeling this pleasure - it is actually the result of a craving to feel the pleasure. It is only because we are so blinded and distracted that we don't realize this. This is the kind of stuff monks are figuring out when they spend all their time meditating - they are seeing past these illusions. But I digress, this blog post could end up running on forever.

The reason this is relevant to rebirth is that what is being reborn, over and over, is actually craving. It is craving that the skandas result from, and so it is craving that our experiences result from. So when Buddha taught about rebirth, he was actually talking about the death of craving, and it's rebirth.

To put this in terms relevant to our physical bodies - when we die there is a death of this craving. Desire for sensation, for the various experiences - ends. Temporarily. But the craving comes back.

The craving comes back and the desire to experience manifests as experience. In doing so, the experiences must have a form - and so they do. That form is a physical body. Understand that this craving has no physical bounds, it is untied to the physical world. But to experience the skandas, there must be a link to the physical world.

So, when you die, your cravings end and then they come back, they are reborn. And so the skandas are reborn. And so, depending on the skandas, they may be attached to a physical form - a body.

And this is what Buddha means when he talks of a person being reborn as another person. There is no soul or self moving, just the elements that result from the craving that was left behind when the body died.


Ok, I hope this isn't too hard to follow. I will write part 2 some time, I don't know when.

Feel free to write questions or comments. The end.

*****
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 03:52:45
May 26 2009 03:48 GMT
#2
shouldnt sensation be a part of perceptions too?

is pleasure possible without being the consequence of a craving? Is pleasure acceptable to experience?

also, what do you mean by illusion? the illusion of cravings that cause pleasure?
HEY MEYT
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 03:55:39
May 26 2009 03:51 GMT
#3
No, sensation is separate from perception. Though the fact that you ask that question means you at least understand what I am talking about, because it really isn't a bad question.

Perception would be "this feels cold" or "this cold feels nice".

Sensation would be just the direct experiencing of cold, with no skanda interpreting it's relationship to you.


On May 26 2009 12:48 JohnColtrane wrote:
shouldnt sensation be a part of perceptions too?

is pleasure possible without being the consequence of a craving? Is pleasure acceptable to experience?


Well this gets very far off track from rebirth but I like receiving any questions whatsoever so I will try to answer.

Pleasure, in the way you most likely interpret it, is not possible without craving.
Experience, in the way you most likely interpret it, is not possible without craving.

Do you have empty moments where you do not experience anything? Those moments resulted from non-craving.

The moments where you experience something result from craving.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 26 2009 03:54 GMT
#4
are you a practising buddhist travis, or just interested in studying it?
HEY MEYT
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 04:00:40
May 26 2009 03:58 GMT
#5
I live my life in practice but I don't do sitting meditation. I believe I will eventually.

Living my life in practice means that i attempt to follow the "noble 8 fold path"


1.Right Understanding
2.Right Thoughts
3.Right Speech
4.Right Action
5.Right Livelihood
6.Right Effort
7.Right Mindfulness
8.Right Concentration


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
May 26 2009 04:01 GMT
#6
oh cool thanks for posting this
pretty random, but its interesting to know their beliefs
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
May 26 2009 04:04 GMT
#7
Why is there such a common misconception with people believing that Buddhism believes in reincarnation?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 04:09:54
May 26 2009 04:09 GMT
#8
On May 26 2009 13:04 SCC-Faust wrote:
Why is there such a common misconception with people believing that Buddhism believes in reincarnation?


I would imagine it is because most westerners have never considered a view where there is no self or soul.

Maybe it's a common misconception in the east, too, actually. I don't really know.
LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1852 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 04:11:56
May 26 2009 04:11 GMT
#9
On May 26 2009 13:04 SCC-Faust wrote:
Why is there such a common misconception with people believing that Buddhism believes in reincarnation?


Because in the west we hear of Buddhism through the study of cultures, not through Buddhist teachings. Since the study of religions in the west is scientific when there is even a mention of rebirth in any form the "reincarnation" box is checked.

@^ That too.
CJ Entusman #14 • http://soundcloud.com/discodinosaur • https://discosaur.bandcamp.com/
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 26 2009 07:32 GMT
#10
I did a few courses in religious studies during my coursework at uni and unfortunately when we covered buddhism I was more focused on writing an essay on daoism to be paying too much attention >_> and the only thing I really remembered from it was that western perception of reincarnation (one body dies, come back as a new body) was grossly flawed, just not why.

So many thanks for this blog
Their are four errors in this sentance.
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
May 26 2009 08:38 GMT
#11
so where does consciousness lie in this?
how are we aware ?

is consciousness = craving?
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 09:23:37
May 26 2009 09:22 GMT
#12
On May 26 2009 17:38 drug_vict1m wrote:
so where does consciousness lie in this?


what do u mean exactly?


how are we aware ?


we are aware because of a desire for understanding, which has culminated through various lifetimes


is consciousness = craving?


craving is the source of anything that we experience. but it is a different phenomena from the experiences theirselves.

there is something like a basic emptiness that underlies everything we experience. it is in this emptiness that craving is conditioned. the conditioned craving brings about the experiences, because that is what the craving is for.

the exact same 2 events can happen but in one example, a person experiences the events through sensations and feelings and forms perceptions and is conscious. but in the other example, that same person could just not experience anything other than emptiness.

it is easy to think of our consciousness as some static part of us, but in reality it is ever changing, all of the parts of it are changing states all the time. and sometimes there is no consciousness experienced at all.
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
May 26 2009 09:45 GMT
#13

Show nested quote +
so where does consciousness lie in this?


what do u mean exactly?

is there a reason for consciousness?or maybe more fundamental what is consciousness?


Show nested quote +

how are we aware ?


we are aware because of a desire for understanding, which has culminated through various lifetimes

so can i say that its the craving for understanding (understanding what?) ?
thus craving = awareness?

Show nested quote +

is consciousness = craving?


craving is the source of anything that we experience. but it is a different phenomena from the experiences theirselves.

there is something like a basic emptiness that underlies everything we experience. it is in this emptiness that craving is conditioned. the conditioned craving brings about the experiences, because that is what the craving is for.

the exact same 2 events can happen but in one example, a person experiences the events through sensations and feelings and forms perceptions and is conscious. but in the other example, that same person could just not experience anything other than emptiness.

it is easy to think of our consciousness as some static part of us, but in reality it is ever changing, all of the parts of it are changing states all the time. and sometimes there is no consciousness experienced at all.


so how do we experience?what gives us such a possibility?and why?
and if we are not our consciousness then who are we?
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 10:32:17
May 26 2009 10:30 GMT
#14

is there a reason for consciousness?


Each skanda is dependent on the previous skandas. For consciousness to exist, there must be presence of the previous 4 skandas. Consciousness is the basis of ideas and concepts. Of thoughts and memories. And of much more.


or maybe more fundamental what is consciousness?


you experience it, you know what it is. I can't explain it any better than your experiences do for you.


so can i say that its the craving for understanding (understanding what?) ?


ignore this I think I misunderstood you


thus craving = awareness?


no. the natural state of our experiences is emptiness. but there is the potential for craving within this emptiness. this craving is on a very basic level, it is nothing more than taking delight in life itself. if you see, it is the result of craving for sight. if you smell it is from craving for smell.

the awareness is just a conditioned aspect of our consciousness. I cannot answer precisely without knowing exactly what you mean by awareness.

but our non-empty experiences just result from a conditioned craving to take delight in whatever it is we experience.

by "take delight" i mean "be involved in".



so how do we experience?what gives us such a possibility?and why?


we experience because the potential exists. even buddha said he didn't know the reason, he said that it just always was that way. natural laws I guess.

but there is a natural progression towards understanding. and through this progression there is a sort of evolution of the mind(and perhaps of form). it is through this evolution that one can be born as a human and have the faculties for awakening(the path to enlightenment)



and if we are not our consciousness then who are we?


we are our consciousness. but we are not selves and we have no souls. in reality you are as much you as you are all the other beings.

the source of our consciousness is an emptiness which is shared by all as it has no form and is not bound by dimensions. from this emptiness comes the craving for skandas. the cravings are what form separate beings, because the cravings are separate. but not the emptiness.

drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
May 26 2009 11:35 GMT
#15
i c i c
and your thoughts about energy?
can emptiness be assumed as energy?or maybe skandas are a form of it?

and about progression
is it also a part of skandas?why do "we" want it?



One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
May 26 2009 14:40 GMT
#16
I had to study all this stuff for my Chinese religion course at uni. Man those Sanskrit names gave me a headache. :|
觀過斯知仁矣.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 26 2009 18:22 GMT
#17
On May 26 2009 20:35 drug_vict1m wrote:
i c i c
and your thoughts about energy?
can emptiness be assumed as energy?or maybe skandas are a form of it?


I think that is just adding mroe views and further complicates things.


and about progression
is it also a part of skandas?why do "we" want it?


all that we experience is the skandas so if we experience progression, then yes it is part of the skandas

we want it because we want to understand our situation. our mind has developed to a point where we see that understanding can set us free. it is referred to as buddha nature.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 15
IntoTheiNu 683
RotterdaM482
WardiTV377
Ryung 216
TKL 197
IndyStarCraft 152
SteadfastSC122
Rex100
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 101
CranKy Ducklings28
CranKy Ducklings SOOP14
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 482
Ryung 216
TKL 197
IndyStarCraft 152
SteadfastSC 122
ProTech96
Rex 92
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4442
Bisu 2081
Rain 1724
Sea 1583
Shuttle 1333
Hyuk 1275
Jaedong 1038
Horang2 628
Mini 370
Light 254
[ Show more ]
Soma 245
firebathero 229
Soulkey 219
EffOrt 208
actioN 204
Stork 196
Last 164
Snow 162
Zeus 154
Mong 139
ggaemo 123
Killer 102
sorry 73
Hyun 64
hero 60
Rush 52
JYJ 49
Free 42
ZerO 40
soO 35
scan(afreeca) 31
ToSsGirL 29
910 26
Aegong 22
Movie 21
Barracks 20
Sacsri 16
Noble 12
ZergMaN 12
Icarus 11
zelot 9
Yoon 8
Sexy 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6240
Dendi486
syndereN83
League of Legends
Doublelift2887
Counter-Strike
byalli435
edward104
Other Games
B2W.Neo761
Lowko295
Pyrionflax211
XaKoH 152
hiko91
KnowMe17
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2560
BasetradeTV194
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 41
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos4330
• TFBlade400
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
20h 40m
CrankTV Team League
22h 40m
Replay Cast
1d 20h
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
4 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.