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pretty unlikely that he's B-
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On April 27 2009 18:31 NEwAcC) wrote:
pretty unlikely that he's B-
Did you read the OP?
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i suppose it could happen, maybe he had an offday or just dident take the game seriously. Also he might have been a bit cooky and not trying to scout your hidden expo.
Keep in mind that if he is a Z player, then he will have next to no practice in PvT. He may have been better had it been TvZ or PvZ.
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off race definently possible
main race i doubt it;;
A d toss beating a b- terran maybe but a b- toss losing to a d terran not a chance.
My friend's about a c+ zerg and i rarely if ever loss to his toss and im only about a d+ terran.
근대 이름 귀엽당ㅋ
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I'm B- and I'd kick your ass any day with all my offraces.
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I'm not an expert on ICCUP rankings, but that would seem really strange. Maybe he was lucky the previous seasons?
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yeah I'm pretty sure cakeman is legitimatly B- using Zerg. And yeah it's also quite common for players offraces to be really bad. Some people just never play with them at all, not even for fun.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
It's possible that he wasn't taking the game seriously. Every so often, we play a game just to mess around. That's probably why he wanted to play a D player.
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On April 27 2009 18:36 nataziel wrote:Did you read the OP?
do you think a B- zerg player would have 105 apm and lose to a D terran even with an offrace?
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Only explanation is that your T V P is B- level obviously.
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How can a B- zerg be only D level in PvT? I mean there are D terrans that are D+ in PvT.
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On April 27 2009 19:22 Diomedes wrote:
How can a B- zerg be only D level in PvT? I mean there are D terrans that are D+ in PvT.
That was the best protoss is easy joke i have read since ...well since they were actually funny.
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United States42179 Posts
Cakeman is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is. He's a Kiwi who consistantly dodges me because after our first showmatch for www.starcraft.co.nz he doesn't want to lose again.
Maybe he once got B-, but he hasn't in the last year I've known him. C is nearer his level imo.
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if someone asks me this horribly retarded question about my rank achivement i always answer with smth like 'd-' or mb 'a-'.
and guess what he just did ? he just lied to you!
i know its hard to believe but the replay's a proof.
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Why would a B- play on west anyway, maybe he just gave you a fake account. Either that or he just cheesed all the way to B- , or is really rough right now. Honestly, this iccup rank stuff is bs. A noob can easily do 5 pool every game and probably get a decent iccup rank, I've known complete noobs who got to C just from cheesing. I've had some people tell me some of my matchups are almost C level, while I've had other people tell me I am like D level. Yeah it gives a rough skill level, but it's kinda flawed. Pretty sure either he isn't the B- he says, or you just got really lucky maybe (or you're just really gosu).
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ya but good his offrace is and how much he practices with it
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^i have no idea what you just wrote;;
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hehe ig.voltron is a new zealand player (aka cakeman i think?). Not sure if hes B- skill level still but C+ would be believable. Anyway i thought his main race was p, but i don't know him to well. i do know hes one of the top new zealander playes though, but not sure if he is very active anymore.
edit: i think he plays p for all matchups except zvp where he plays z. maybe he was just screwing around that game though.
Also, what kwark said.
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Im B- as well with Z and my T surely wont beat an even stats D/D+ player... Some people just never play the other races, you cant say shit about someones skill level on an offrace.... I cant even play with hotkeys with T/P.....
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It is very common nowadays everyone states he would be B-. Actually like 1% of those reached B- but most stop at C-/C with good stats knowing they would get trashed on C+/B- and most likely fall back to C-/C with really bad stats (I'm talking about <40% ratio). I see so many ppl claiming to be B- it's not even funny. B- seems to be the "magical" rank where everyone sees himself "because if I would play on I'd reach B- easily". Yeah, like one game with 300 games and dropping back instantly.
Seriously, anyone can reach C-/C with decent stats when playing only foreigners, dodging weak matchups, playing all-in only and so on. Just look at matchlists, you can recognize such people at their gametime. If all won games are <12-15 min you know what's up.
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if this ig.voltron is the same player as voltron on europe(that player played me in various 2on2s there) i guess its just that he really enjoys playing for fun/not for stats a lot which might explain why you thought his rank to be 'too high'.
fun players often dont relie on cookie cutter builds but on spontaneous strategic alterations etc. to throw you off., which is <FUNNY> if it works out 
so i dont reallly wonder (if its the same player)
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If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them
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On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them
lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them.
I think he just gave you a fake account.
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United States42179 Posts
On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account.
ig.voltron is cakeman.
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its hard to believe but some people dont play for fun and just practice 1 race/1v1 all day so its definitely possible. also ICCUP ranks are BS. C+ rank ive faced either amazing koreans that just crush me or cheesing retarded noobs that if it fails they are terrible. so doesnt say much about skill
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Netherlands4735 Posts
I've played countless of games with this guy on west nillla low..(2v2 n 1v1)
Eventhough that's about 2-4years ago... I did play a few games with him roughly 4months ago.
Back then he didn't seem he had improved one bit.
If he really is cakeman[stfu]:
He used to play(/plays) random nilla low/fmp.
And from what I know I wouldn't rank him any higher than a D+.
(possibly he improved a lot during the last 4months?)
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It's unlikely, but possible. I had B- last season, and my Zerg is pretty good, around C level, but my Terran is awful, like D+. It's not like B- players have really good off-races as well. I know many C+'s whose off-race couldn't get higher than a mid-level D+.
I just watched the rep. It looks like he has C- mechanics & D level strategic sense. So D+ seems like a fair estimate.
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I'm not a real B-, but I reached it last season then sat on my rank for the last day. Assuming he is that kind of b- it seems very possible. I know I probably have a losing record with both of my offraces against D/D+ players in op irc.
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maybe he wasnt playing his main race.
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I play alot of off race games on west and east to warmup for iccup and just do old school fun builds.
I definately have lost tvp vs D level gamers and pvz to some weird ling heavy builds or fast hydra.
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On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account.
Remember that I read this website....
Are you still lying about being C+ on this website?
If so. stop dude.
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Just look at the match list and map statistics, all he ever does is 4-5 pool on Python, gj.
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or maybe there is a difference between 2x2 zerg play and 1x1 toss play O.o
but than again, i didnt see the replay and if he was 100 apm as someone said here, he probably lied about that B- (2v2) beeing his account
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he's b- in 2v2 D; its possible he is c-/c. Maybe my logic is wrong but if you have a decent partner and you two play alot together is pretty guaranteed that you will have a higher chance then winning people who just randomly 2v2.
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You'd have to get super lucky to beat a B- if you are incapable of reaching D+, and by that I mean he has to screw up.
You have to rely on the B- playing sub par rather than you playing somehow amazing that one game.
The average B- player would rape the D rank player any map, any matchup, any time, any day.
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On April 27 2009 23:58 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account. Remember that I read this website.... Are you still lying about being C+ on this website? If so. stop dude.
lol.
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On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account.
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/zoler[mb].html
arent you this guy?
lols C- with your offraces, dream on kiddo
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I dont lose to C players often with my bgh style protoss.
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Did it ever occurd to any1 that he played bad despite he's B-? Maby he just played a shitty game, maby he didnt care or something. Just cuz he's a high rank dosen't mean he preforme as a B- always. Hell can any1 even say exacly what B- lvl skilled player plays like? What's the skill diffrence between 2 ranks anyway? or 3 for that matter?
Can you really see the diffrence between a A+ player and a A- just by having x2-x4 speed in a replay, witout super analyze the game?
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On April 28 2009 01:40 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account. http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/zoler[mb].htmlarent you this guy? lols C- with your offraces, dream on kiddo
I don't need to prove anything to you. Who are you anyway, some random D-? Shush!
Also stop off-topic...
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I beat Shauni's zerg when I was D+. I think people who play protoss tend to have the weakest offraces, unless they were random players and then switched protoss to main or something.
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On April 28 2009 03:46 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I think people who play protoss tend to have the weakest offraces, unless they were random players and then switched protoss to main or something.
Agree with this.
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wow there is a lot of stuff being said that is completely wrong in this thread. Kwark and i actually know who he is so read our dam comments if you want to gain any knowledge reading this thread.
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United States11390 Posts
On April 28 2009 03:35 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 01:40 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:On April 27 2009 21:23 Zoler wrote:On April 27 2009 21:09 BaltA wrote:
If he is Z player.... Yes, Because he dont know all the tactiks for T, not the macro, not the timing etc etc etc
I was D- Terran player before I started massgaming them lol I'm terran and I'm C- at least with both Protoss and Zerg and I've practically never played them. I think he just gave you a fake account. http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/zoler[mb].htmlarent you this guy? lols C- with your offraces, dream on kiddo I don't need to prove anything to you. Who are you anyway, some random D-? Shush! Also stop off-topic...
Zerg 5-8 | 38.5% | 13 games
1-0 | 100%
3-4 | 42.9%
1-4 | 20%
lul "C-"
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Vatican City State491 Posts
Maybe he was eating or talking on the phone? I often eat while playing, what makes my macro very sloppy. In fact, after all those years, I still have some problems in playing and eating soup at the same time; it's like -50% apm
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There are alot of people that just reach b- and quit, playing only c+ and stopping when they reach the blue rank without playing against blue rank people. So technically they are b-, but their skill level probably is more of a high c+.
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On April 27 2009 20:23 damenmofa wrote:
Im B- as well with Z and my T surely wont beat an even stats D/D+ player... Some people just never play the other races, you cant say shit about someones skill level on an offrace.... I cant even play with hotkeys with T/P.....
This usually isn't true though, most B players are pretty experienced with all races. I almost never play zerg and terran, but when I do, I still beat most C/C+ players. Your game understanding and speed, smothness in micro and micro still improves for all races even though you play with one. So yeah, being B- with one race and getting raped by D players isn't very common.
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On April 28 2009 01:56 reachfortherings wrote:
im a terran with B- right now (possibly reach B), but i just lost at D with Z going pure muta vs terran. Literally what i was thinking during game was "rofl i have 6 gas im just gonna rape him with pure muta" but somehow his marines owned my mutas even though i seriously had like 2x more mutas than his marines!! (i doubt he was really D though, more of C material) But one time i was offracing with my toss and i played this guy pvp at D. I was playing seriuosly and i won that intesne game. Turns out he was A- the last season, lol.. '
so i think its possible for a B- to lose to D with an offrace, but only if they are messing around and extremely underestimatin. Also i think zergs would suck with terran/toss and terran/toss would suck with zerg cuz i find terran and toss kinda similar but zerg is way different. Haha crazy. My offraces suck and I even lose to random D+ all in cheese with my T. fml.
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United States11390 Posts
On May 20 2009 21:53 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 01:56 reachfortherings wrote:
im a terran with B- right now (possibly reach B), but i just lost at D with Z going pure muta vs terran. Literally what i was thinking during game was "rofl i have 6 gas im just gonna rape him with pure muta" but somehow his marines owned my mutas even though i seriously had like 2x more mutas than his marines!! (i doubt he was really D though, more of C material) But one time i was offracing with my toss and i played this guy pvp at D. I was playing seriuosly and i won that intesne game. Turns out he was A- the last season, lol.. '
so i think its possible for a B- to lose to D with an offrace, but only if they are messing around and extremely underestimatin. Also i think zergs would suck with terran/toss and terran/toss would suck with zerg cuz i find terran and toss kinda similar but zerg is way different. Haha crazy. My offraces suck and I even lose to random D+ all in cheese with my T. fml.
Just losing to Sent alone is fml worthy, Lucky. 
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On May 20 2009 11:07 closed wrote:
Maybe he was eating or talking on the phone? I often eat while playing, what makes my macro very sloppy. In fact, after all those years, I still have some problems in playing and eating soup at the same time; it's like -50% apm
Ooh.. so doing other things while playing affects your concentration? So that's why the progamers never eats soup while playing
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Vatican City State491 Posts
On May 20 2009 22:17 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 11:07 closed wrote:
Maybe he was eating or talking on the phone? I often eat while playing, what makes my macro very sloppy. In fact, after all those years, I still have some problems in playing and eating soup at the same time; it's like -50% apm Ooh.. so doing other things while playing affects your concentration? So that's why the progamers never eats soup while playing
I can challenge you to a BO3 where we both will be eating soup if you want :-)
We just need to decide on the map pool and the soup pool; I propose python and tomato soup
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I think borrow accounts and stuff.
I just played a korean called JuliaStyle, and he was A- one season, now he is C- at best.
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Well maybe it wasn't his account when whomever played on it got B-
Or maybe his gf was giving him a blow while he fondled his gf's twin sister with one hand so he was kinda preoccupied and was playing one handed.
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On April 27 2009 19:22 Diomedes wrote:
How can a B- zerg be only D level in PvT? I mean there are D terrans that are D+ in PvT.
Well the Terrans play TvP which you can then get an understanding of PvT. Zerg doesn't TvP so he has no experience playing TvP/PvT to draw from.
Still sounds fishy, but just justifying that.
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Last season I offraced Protoss for 2 days and got C- immediately. With Terran I also probably could have easily gotten D+ in 2 days. If a player is actually B-, his mechanics and general game knowledge should carry enough over to easily defeat any D player caliber player. A player with B- should be able to execute what he needs to do, know what he needs to do and do tasks like macro and making workers (something most D level players completely fail at). iirc when Draco was laddering in SCL he would 99 proxy gate every game and come up with outrageous disadvantages but still win just because he was better overall than the other player (like C/B level I'm guessing). Ya it's his main race but still, just having a better grasp of the game with one race should carry over to an offrace enough to easily beat a D.
In this case, him being Protoss should have given him even more of an advantage as an offrace, since getting to C- is extremely easy with it in my experience, and would probably only take a week to get C.
So basically if he's B-, his offrace should be better than D level... otherwise I highly suspect he isn't B- or cheesed his way up there. I didn't much this season so maybe B- got really easy to get, because I remember last season the skill level dropped dramatically. Maybe it happened again this season.
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On May 21 2009 04:07 closed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 22:17 Zoler wrote:On May 20 2009 11:07 closed wrote:
Maybe he was eating or talking on the phone? I often eat while playing, what makes my macro very sloppy. In fact, after all those years, I still have some problems in playing and eating soup at the same time; it's like -50% apm Ooh.. so doing other things while playing affects your concentration? So that's why the progamers never eats soup while playing I can challenge you to a BO3 where we both will be eating soup if you want :-) We just need to decide on the map pool and the soup pool; I propose python and tomato soup
lol that would be awesome ^^
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Isn't it his 2v2 thats B-?
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On April 28 2009 03:46 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I beat Shauni's zerg when I was D+. I think people who play protoss tend to have the weakest offraces, unless they were random players and then switched protoss to main or something.
Lol didn't see this post. WTF man, I've actually played random for 3 years.
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On May 21 2009 09:50 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 03:46 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I beat Shauni's zerg when I was D+. I think people who play protoss tend to have the weakest offraces, unless they were random players and then switched protoss to main or something. Lol didn't see this post. WTF man, I've actually played random for 3 years.
lolololol
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105 apm B- player?
Uh... it is possible, but very very very very unlikely.
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On April 27 2009 19:22 Diomedes wrote:
How can a B- zerg be only D level in PvT? I mean there are D terrans that are D+ in PvT.
Vouch. Not even kidding, by the way.
I beat a D+ Terran in a straight game with Protoss even after supply blocking myself 4 or 5 times, including my first Reaver, and going in with zero build order whatsoever beyond 10/15 gate.
I've never beaten a D+ player of any race EVER other than that, after 100+ games with Terran and a whopping 3 with Protoss.
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thought id sign up/post in here to clear this thread up.
Keen for the soup games btw ! its pretty much winter here in new zealand, temp today where i was 0 - 5 deg celc / 32F - 41F
my known akas are
cakeman[stfu]
DF)Lefty(
uT)ReaperZ
iG.Voltron
~100 apm who knows, what country are you from ? as others have said im from new zealand, so chances are it was 2-4am my time when i played you, which is a bit of a disadvantage, but not enough to drop it that low.
Check iccup stats,
Zerg 51-15
Protoss 4-13
guess that shows the offrace side of it.
this game also appears to be SC, not BW
also i havent been working for the past 2 months, contract work is great get a few months off every year to party/indulge in substances etc.
im not really sure why you made a thread over 1 game to be honest.
cakeman[stfu] = iG.Voltron = low$ user, where did you get fastest user from ???? lol.
Kwaark, our last showmatch you were bad mannered, always make threads in starcraft.co.nz calling me noob etc etc which is the reason i a) stopped talking to you, b) stopped bothering to reply to you, feel free to chat to pingu about this if it 'really gets to you' as i still talk to him often, as hes far from your level of arrogance. result 3-2 ???? hardly bragworthy for you.
for example ..
February 06, 2009, 11:34:42 AM Kwaark/TossPot wrote:
Oi. Cakeman
Long story short, you're bad at Starcraft. Always have been, always will be. I'm just better. Not just at Starcraft but better as a person. And I want to prove it by humilitating you in a showmatch. Any time. Any map. Any server. It's on.
KwarK > Cakeman
KwarK > all
You're always talking shit and acting like you're good at bw. I've had enough of you. I think we'll all agree Cakeman needs to be put in his place. You, Cakeman, are personally going to suffer.
Any questions?
Also your mother sucks.
She's pretty good at it too..
i have nothing against a bit of friendly 'bad mouthing' but when you start getting immature, ill just choose to ignore you and get on with my life.
also if you remember, which i told you before the showmatch, i hadnt slept in close to days.
anyway i wasnt here to make excuses, to the OP with the combination of offrace, timezone differences, being sc and not bw, no lan latency and not working i apologise for my less than adequate performance.
i picked up WGT for New Zealand, as seen in this post
May 24, 2008, 10:08:34 PM Cakeman wrote:Hello all, my name is Daryl and I am from Wellington, New Zealand. I go by the AKAs of Cakeman[stfu], ntn-reaper2k-, Reaper_2000, iamyou, and Voltron. Although I am not a known gamer, I am really interested in picking up where fonger left off in creating our National Team. Judging by this forum that fonger kindly introduced me to, I can tell that some of you are really close. I am hoping to earn that same trust/respect/comradory. My organizing isn't the best but I will do my best. My skill level still needs work but is exceptional, I am a Zerg/Protoss user, B- right now and hoping to reach at least B+ by the end of the season. After giving much thought, I recently decided to join DF)( and have been gaming as DF)Lefty(. Here is a mini-reppack of some of my games: http://download.yousendit.com/D984B20C65C798BC
basicially just wanted to clear my name, provide a rep pack (almost a year old now, too tired to compile a new one), say thanks to the OP for the game, and thank the TL community as i often visit here but havent signed up until now
bnet is for fun, iccup is for gametime peace to all!
*edit PS Averatec-Intel Classic Season 3 has had some brilliant games so far!
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Noo Zeeland? that place still exists?
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ROFL good work taking kwark's post out of context cake 
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On May 21 2009 17:26 PleaseJustChill wrote:
105 apm B- player?
Uh... it is possible, but very very very very unlikely.
did you read the thread at all, it's his offrace
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On July 05 2009 11:57 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 17:26 PleaseJustChill wrote:
105 apm B- player?
Uh... it is possible, but very very very very unlikely. did you read the thread at all, it's his offrace
I know a 100apm B+ player
discuss
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Norway28580 Posts
any smart good player can play all races at a high level. if you are only good at the first 10 minutes because thats how far your build order is memorized, then you are going to be horrible with the other races.
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Unlikely, but very plausible. B- isn't legendary or extremely good, even with their main race, it's simply very solid with few common mistakes IMO. Depends on how much he plays his off-race.
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On May 31 2009 20:37 iG.Voltron wrote:
cakeman[stfu] = iG.Voltron = low$ user, where did you get fastest user from ???? lol.
He said the player he challenged before playing you was a fastest user, not you.
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the top sc player in new zealand is thundergod anyways.
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Cakeman you do realise that the post Kwark made showed your own username that you logged in on right? He wasn't directing it at anyone, it was just a joke. You see your own username in the post:
Oi. skyglow1
Long story short, you're bad at Starcraft. Always have been, always will be. I'm just better. Not just at Starcraft but better as a person. And I want to prove it by humilitating you in a showmatch. Any time. Any map. Any server. It's on.
KwarK > skyglow1
KwarK > all
You're always talking shit and acting like you're good at bw. I've had enough of you. I think we'll all agree skyglow1 needs to be put in his place. You, skyglow1, are personally going to suffer.
Any questions?
Also your mother sucks.
She's pretty good at it too.
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