im considering doing illegal things to make money

On April 08 2009 06:59 MarklarMarklar wrote:
currently im growing magic mushrooms in my closet, i'll get bout 800-1000g fresh cubensis, or 80-100grams dry. which sells for bout 10bux a gram on the street, all the equipment n shipping for that cost me 90bux.

so ill make bout 6-800bux depending on how much i eat

On April 08 2009 06:59 dronebabo wrote:
yeah whatever cool story bro

On April 08 2009 07:05 MarklarMarklar wrote:
dont worry, im a cop irl

On April 08 2009 06:54 travis wrote:
But I KNOW I PLAY WELL and i still just RUN SO BAD FOR SO LONG, CHRIST.

On April 08 2009 06:59 MarklarMarklar wrote:
currently im growing magic mushrooms in my closet, i'll get bout 800-1000g fresh cubensis, or 80-100grams dry. which sells for bout 10bux a gram on the street, all the equipment n shipping for that cost me 90bux.

so ill make bout 6-800bux depending on how much i eat

On April 08 2009 07:21 stk01001 wrote:
um and what exactly is stopping you from getting a real job?? are you being forced to play poker as a living? kind of hard to feel sorry for you since you chose to play poker as a living instead of pursuing a more stable/reliable job... it's actually pretty irresponsible.. this is what happens when people think they can just gamble for a living.. very few people are actually successful at it.

On April 08 2009 07:31 geometryb wrote:
fuck poker seriously. consider going back to school as one of your options .

On April 08 2009 07:42 Racenilatr wrote:
www.centsports.com

It sort of is easier then poker in my opinon As long as you know the sports well enough it isn't that hard to pick up. You start with a little and build your way to the top so if you need money fast its not a good thing

On April 08 2009 06:59 MarklarMarklar wrote:
currently im growing magic mushrooms in my closet, i'll get bout 800-1000g fresh cubensis, or 80-100grams dry. which sells for bout 10bux a gram on the street, all the equipment n shipping for that cost me 90bux.

so ill make bout 6-800bux depending on how much i eat

On April 08 2009 08:21 Amnesty wrote:
I havent logged on PS in a long time but just guessing since the economy is so shit right now, a lot less donators and fish are logging on to PS. So the avg skill has gone up quite a bit. Some of them might be a lot worse then you but the avg is still higher. Just a guess.

On April 08 2009 09:32 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
play off your debts and then stop playing poker already and get a normal job

Oh back to OP... If you're planning to still stay in poker... Clear your head first man, we all go on losing streaks, How you get out of it is all mental shit. I'm sure u knew that already, but just reminding. If you don't plan on staying with poker... i hope you have a degree or else good luck with finding a job out there...its brutal

On April 08 2009 09:22 Mickey wrote:
Why don't you try freelance computer work or something you might have skills in besides poker, or you could do porn. I'm serious I remember reading that a man doing heterosexual porn could make $1,000 in a week or two weeks.

On April 08 2009 08:59 MetalMarine wrote:



LOL centsports. I've never gotten pass 5$. Max was $5.10 and then lost it and lost interest altogether. Plus football season is over and i only bet football

On April 08 2009 10:28 Kwark wrote:
Virgins are worth more in porn. Still worth considering.
What stakes are you playing?

On April 08 2009 10:59 ghermination wrote:
ITT: Why i am still confused as hell as to how so many people are attracted to poker. I dont even like that game, why is it so popular?

On April 08 2009 10:59 ghermination wrote:
ITT: Why i am still confused as hell as to how so many people are attracted to poker. I dont even like that game, why is it so popular?

On April 08 2009 07:11 nataziel wrote:


HAHAHAHAHA, I knew it, damn corrupt pigs!

On April 08 2009 06:54 travis wrote:
man, FUCK POKER. I can't even convey how much bullshit my life is right now. There are just so many factors that have come together to screw me in the perfect ways to make my situation a steaming pile of shit. I admit, I have made many mistakes. But I KNOW I PLAY WELL and i still just RUN SO BAD FOR SO LONG, CHRIST. I can't do this shit anymore. I need another way to make money. But I don't know how. I need to come up with something.

I'm telling you guys, you have no idea the shit I have gone through the last few years. I don't understand why I can't just FUCKING WIN FOR A WHILE GOD DAMNIT. EVERY FUCKING DAY. HONESTLY.

I would trade this shit in for an honest job with a wage slightly above the poverty line in a heartbeat. If there is a god I am convinced he must love me a lot, sexually. And he must have a huge cock.


GOD DAMNIT FUCK FUCKING CHRIST

On April 08 2009 14:14 Rekrul wrote:


LOL

U PLAY WELL BUT U LOSE EVERY DAY!

wow you must be SO UNLUCKY!!!

edit: now i remember why u blocked me on msn lol

On April 08 2009 15:05 Rekrul wrote:
u've been going through this for years now, get a grip and do something other than poker

whiners do not deserve 'understanding' especially given the amount of opportunities you've had

you're slightly mentally derranged, which is great sometimes and bad sometimes. in the case of poker it's really bad.

man up, become a mad scientist or something

On April 08 2009 15:21 travis wrote:


you are in no position to judge me, you do not know what it's like to be me. I don't enjoy going back to poker over and over, it's not something I like to do. For the last 2 years or so I haven't be doing it for me. yes I do bitch quite often like a baby. yes I feel like an idiot after I read it sometimes but I am only human.




Q: what was this blog post about
A: me wanting a job other than poker

On April 08 2009 07:11 nataziel wrote:


HAHAHAHAHA, I knew it, damn corrupt pigs!

On April 08 2009 10:28 Kwark wrote:
Virgins are worth more in porn. Still worth considering.
What stakes are you playing?

On April 08 2009 21:30 EsX_Raptor wrote:

i wonder how bad it must feel for those that arent good at anything...

On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.

On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:


bullshit

On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Obviously starting Poker was a bad decision, so if you recognize the problem, the logical solution is to quit.

Often people flee from a bad situation by embracing a worse one, and that comes immediately to mind when I read this topic, even though I am not certain what your intentions are. When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.

At any rate it has obviously done little to profit either your pockets or your peace of mind, which presents you with the desperate choice of again looking for easy solutions, or honest ones. Mortgaging your conscience or self-dignity against what is a temporal problem can only invoke losses at much higher stakes than what has already been gambled away.

On April 09 2009 06:35 GeneralStan wrote:
About porn. Why are people talking as though its so easy to get into? Do you guys know something I don't? Where would a stapping young man like myself go to get into his first porno?

On April 09 2009 06:40 Luddite wrote:

I've seen ads on Craiglist, so you could try looking/posting there. You might have to move to LA, though, and I'm guessing the pay for the average male actor is complete shit.

WRT the topic at hand: why on earth does Travis get the poker icon if he's struggling to make a living at 50NL? I assumed he was some sort of high roller. 50NL is like, peanuts in the poker world. There's sooooo many good poker players on this site, it's insane.

On April 09 2009 06:35 GeneralStan wrote:
About porn. Why are people talking as though its so easy to get into? Do you guys know something I don't? Where would a stapping young man like myself go to get into his first porno?

On April 09 2009 07:04 Mindcrime wrote:


Contact one of these studios.

On April 08 2009 06:59 dronebabo wrote:
yeah whatever cool story bro

On April 08 2009 17:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


....female virgins

sorry kwark

On April 09 2009 07:09 GeneralStan wrote:


Hahaha . . . no

On April 09 2009 06:58 d1v wrote:
Ok, now if you consider abandoning poker, what are your options in the working environment? What school did you last go to? What do you think of the idea of getting a part-time job to cover some of your bills while trying to build up your BR again?

On April 08 2009 15:05 Rekrul wrote:
u've been going through this for years now, get a grip and do something other than poker

whiners do not deserve 'understanding' especially given the amount of opportunities you've had

you're slightly mentally derranged, which is great sometimes and bad sometimes. in the case of poker it's really bad.

man up, become a mad scientist or something

On April 09 2009 06:47 travis wrote:


because over a 5 year period the limits someone is playing can change. *gasp*
anyways the icon is mine, not "the best poker player's", so don't be an asshole.

On April 08 2009 06:54 travis wrote:
...
I would trade this shit in for an honest job with a wage slightly above the poverty line in a heartbeat.
...

On April 09 2009 07:34 MoltkeWarding wrote:


Depending on where he lives, it may be difficult to get a job at the moment. There is always the option of being the hated English teacher abroad Honestly, that's what I would do if I couldn't get a better job.

Molte, where in Germany do you live, if I may ask?

On April 08 2009 10:10 travis wrote:
first I want to say thanks to everyone for being civil. a lot of people have strong opinions when it comes to things like playing poker for a living, and im glad to see there is no flaming going on in here.



yes the skill has gone up considerably.





this is my plan. funny thing is, I think deep down that when I get to the point where im able to pay off the last of my debts, I will probably have a big enough br and be winning enough that the stress would be gone and I could keep doing it. but... I think I would just like to do something simple that I can take joy out of for a living. If I could walk for a living I would do that for sure.




yeah.. there is so many mental problems that I have when I play poker. I have been dealing with debt for a long time now and it's just been so stressful for so long. I used to be so much better back when I had a clear head. really that's the main reason I want to stop, because I can't figure out how to keep my head clear but still stay motivated. I mean the game isn't even fun for me anymore it's just boring(largely because im playing at low stakes). So to keep my focus up i have to make myself care. But when I make myself care, bad beats bother me more. So it's just kinda gay. but I've never been good at making myself do things I don't actually want to do.




I can't do porn b/c I am a virgin and I have no intentions of ever having sex. otherwise that actually sounds like a good idea lol.

On April 09 2009 08:10 Luddite wrote:

But... usually if you're good enough to do it for a living then the limit you're playing goes up, not down.

On April 09 2009 08:16 Hot_Bid wrote:

Really? Have you ever held such a job for a long period of time? I really doubt you can go from poker to earning $8/hr at some grocery. Do you have the discipline for it?

If I had to describe the worst possible wage employee, 99% of the character traits I list would align with the exact personality of a poker degenerate.

On April 09 2009 08:54 Physician wrote:
travis said he owned elky money
i.e. go to the foreign legion to escape his own debts AND elky

travis wouldn't survive a day in the foreign legion though

On April 09 2009 09:09 travis wrote:


was that supposed to be a reply to what I said? because it's more like you didn't read what I said, and then posted what you said the first time again.

On April 09 2009 09:21 Luddite wrote:

Well what you said didn't really answer my question. I asked, on a site where I'm sure there's at least 10 people playing NL100 or more, why is it that the only guy who has a poker icon is playing NL50? That'd be like if, on liquid poker where there's ex SC pros like Elky, Grrrr..., and Rekrul, if they randomly gave the only starcraft icon to some guy who's C on ICCUP. You said that limits can change, so by that I assume that you used to play higher limits and you've been forced to drop down. Is that right? But that's a really bad sign if you're forced to drop down that much... that means you really should stop playing poker at least for a while. Sorry if I'm being an asshole about this, I just think it's weird.

On April 09 2009 09:22 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what do you mean you NEVER plan on having sex?

On April 09 2009 09:33 Luddite wrote:
All I'm saying is, if you're not even good enough to beat nl50, then you should stop playing poker and they should give someone else the poker icon.

On April 09 2009 09:33 Luddite wrote:
All I'm saying is, if you're not even good enough to beat nl50, then you should stop playing poker and they should give someone else the poker icon.

On April 09 2009 09:31 travis wrote:


I mean that I was awkward and super introverted back in my school years, I never developed much of a sex drive or a desire to have sex, and so it never happened. I have never even had a girlfriend. There have been a couple opportunities the last couple years but really I just am not interested in that sort of thing.

Sex could possibly happen for me if something crazy happened, like a hot girl was basically seducing me, but for some reason I don't think it will.

I am pretty comfortable with being celibate actually. There are certain benefits to it.

On April 09 2009 09:45 d1v wrote:
Travis, you still haven't anwered my question yet. What are your options on the working market besides poker?

On April 09 2009 10:30 Cloud wrote:
Join the army?

On April 09 2009 10:29 PanoRaMa wrote:
You've received a ton of good advice and tidbits throughout this thread, at least with regards to poker. I hope you really take into consideration all of these and try to, as objectively as you can, really evaluate your current situation and make the most out of it. Without going too much into it, I was once approached by people to do network marketing (as they somehow thought because I could be successful with poker that I could somehow be a good network marketer). I didn't go through with it and I know everything associated with it along with the average income, etc. But the most important thing I took out of it was that if everything in my life collapsed, along with my poker abilities/income, I know that if anything, I took solace in the fact that there were careers like network marketing out there for me. While I would absolutely hate the job, the fact of the matter is the world is governed by money and as fifty cent (lol) says "get rich or die trying". i.e. there are a lot of ways to get rich, but in order to take advantage of those you need to shed your ego or be able to tolerate working in undesirable conditions. If everything in my life were to go wrong, I'd devote myself 12 hours a day to network marketing, flipping burgers, whatever opportunity I could get because that's simply what needs to be done. The only other option I have would be blogging about my situation and not taking the necessary steps to not only get myself in a decent spot, but also way beyond that.

Past that, specifically with poker, I think Rekrul has the right idea. You need to come to terms with the reality that pre-leg you dominated the games but you cannot, in your current form, beat the games now. There are tons of people like you, the majority of them have quit. Only VERY few players who dominated pre-leg are still doing well in equivalent stakes (1knl+) these days. Besides them, the ones doing well higher are the ones who were able to figure the games out (which takes 5000x more effort and knowledge than knowing how to beat the games preleg) are the ones that are now winners at those stakes. Rekrul also said you have had many opportunities, this is very true, especially given your history of being staked. If what I understand is correct, you shouldn't really be blaming poker right now tbh - given how much you may have won pre-leg, given how many learning opportunities are given to you being close with so many great players, given the stake(s) offered to you when you needed it, etc.

Additionally, the variance at 50nl simply cannot be that devastating. I've coached several people through these stakes and unless the games drastically changed overnight to mid-stakes difficulty, the variance shouldn't be that high given the low amount of volatile, high-variance spots you can possibly put yourself in playing an near-optimal strategy. Additionally, at 50nl it's very easy to mitigate any severe negative variance by simply playing well and preventing subtle tilt. You blame run bad, but it's very likely that you don't even understand variance in its fullest. I know it doesn't mean much in isolation, but I "ran bad" over the course of more than 6 months in 2008. Of course, anyone can say that and it's hard to validate, so you'd just have to take my word for it. I've spent a lot of time trying to understand statistical variance in Poker, have talked to some of the world's best players (and that means in 2009, not 2006 preleg superstars) with regards to the subject, etc.

I don't know about these "mental derangements" Rekrul mentions, but whatever the case may be, it is simply likely that the way you perceive the game itself may be flawed. The way you understand variance may be flawed. Ultimately, any of these (along with other things) translates to you not being that good at poker. I don't mean to come off as an asshole, so I hope you don't see it that way, but the game has changed. It's become harder, and if there is anything at all that might hold you back, it might be indefinite. Read up on the Peter Principle, as it may be related.

For you I would simply suggest going back to school which seems like the direction you're headed, and owning the fuck out of it. It's not a direction I'm personally going for (I actually have anti-school sentiments, and am not even attending this quarter, so for me to recommend this to you must mean something), but it's simply the only other solid opportunity you have right now so make the best out of it. If you don't, then you don't have any reason to "whine".

On April 09 2009 09:31 travis wrote:


I mean that I was awkward and super introverted back in my school years, I never developed much of a sex drive or a desire to have sex, and so it never happened. I have never even had a girlfriend. There have been a couple opportunities the last couple years but really I just am not interested in that sort of thing.

Sex could possibly happen for me if something crazy happened, like a hot girl was basically seducing me, but for some reason I don't think it will.

I am pretty comfortable with being celibate actually. There are certain benefits to it.

On April 09 2009 11:38 Rekrul wrote:


so you're saying you don't watch porn?

or that you're just totally fine with watching porn and don't need and/or want a female companion?

On April 09 2009 11:53 Rekrul wrote:
fall in love

u'll become ultimate at poker

On April 09 2009 12:12 TheFlashyOne wrote:
Panorama ?! LOL ? i hope you're joking about network marketing.

the success rate in that thing is about as abysmal as poker's

But while I may be a good poker player, I have never been a good professional poker player.

On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:


My dear NoobsofWrath,

in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!

On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
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My dear NoobsofWrath,

in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!

On April 14 2009 16:35 Etherone wrote:


Dear MoltkeWarding,

A Successful poker player does not plague the healthy, he punishes the very vices that leads to the corruption of own intellect or integrity.
For an example i will use both Rekrul and Travis. Rekrul and his like, already being too corrupt for redemption are doing a service to the young Travis's of the world, simply by not allowing them to make a living off poker, thus driving them off this deplorable (deplorable by society's (and apparently Moltke's) standards, not my own) path and onto the other paths of life.

Rekrul is not better nor worse than Travis, both simply are, and in being they have equal worth, each serves his purpose.

Now, if Travis were to "succeed" and join the Rekrul's of this world, I would not consider it living beneath himself, simply because he will be offering something to society and is that not a virtue? what experiences might he behold that might have otherwise been lost to him and do those experiences not educate him or contribute to his wisdom and conscience?
is a life of solitude, comfort and reflection not one of virtue?

On April 16 2009 08:20 travis wrote:
I am certainly not a loser. Was it really necessary to bump this thread?

If an admin reads this could they close it? There really isn't anything to be gained from continuing discussion here. My problems are already solved.