EPTBut I spoke to a friend of mine telling him how things had turned out for me and that things would only get tougher. Then he said "Tough times don't last. Tough men do."
Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country.
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
But I spoke to a friend of mine telling him how things had turned out for me and that things would only get tougher. Then he said "Tough times don't last. Tough men do." Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country. | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
-a billboard I saw | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Unless it kills you. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote: Nationalism doesn't make sense to me. To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. I like this post. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote: But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it. No you don't. I get it when people say they need to protect their families. When they say they need to protect countries is where they lose me for their cause. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote: Nationalism doesn't make sense to me. To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:06 JMave wrote:Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country. From what, exactly? | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote: It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already! | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote: It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. I can understand it if you are proud of your friends, family or yourself. But how can you be proud of a bunch of people you don't even know of, and that just happen to be born inside your territory? I can also understand that you like your culture, and history, etc. But do you think countries go to war so as to protect their culture and history? The answer is no, millions of people die in wars with mainly other interests (economic, etc.) which have nothing to do with culture at all. On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote: But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it. Sorry but that's a lame reason to put your life in risk for. Unless what you meant is that you are forced to because they drew those lines... On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote: I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago Exactly. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote: I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already! It is to create an identity for otherwise really bland people. What if you were a loser and had nothing else than your nationality? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On March 24 2009 01:08 Cloud wrote: Nationalism can be compared in many ways to religion, its just to control the masses | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
To me nationalism is weird. | ||
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Track
United States217 Posts
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