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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
July 22 2010 01:52 GMT
#181
proxy is a word and the base for proximity
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 02:01:28
July 22 2010 01:54 GMT
#182
From etymology dictionary:

Proximity
1480, from M.Fr. proximité "nearness" (14c.), from L. proximitatem (nom. proximitas ) "nearness, vicinity," from proximus "nearest," superlative of prope "near." Proximal is first recorded 1727.

Proxy
c.1440, prokecye, "agency of one who acts instead of another," contraction of Anglo-Fr. procuracie, from M.L. procuratia "administration," from L. procuratio "care, management," from procurare "manage" (see procure).

As far as Starcraft, my understand has always been that the usage of proxy was in the most classic sense an agent otherwise unrelated working on the behalf of a individual, or better yet someone "on the outside"

hence a "proxy" building is an outside factor unrelated to your base. Obviously you control it, not a third party (that would be cheating!) but it's a substitute to your base
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
July 22 2010 03:13 GMT
#183
Goes Down
Maybe they're channeling their inner Cossell "DOWN GOES FRAZIER"

The plural of anecdote is not data.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 22 2010 03:44 GMT
#184
I'm no expert but I think if commentators just relaxed a bit more during their casts [ they are usually at home in plain clothes after all ] they could vastly improve their clarity. Sometimes they'll start talking about one race's worker...for example in PvZ they will talk about a drone scout and then for the rest of the entire match any worker scout or xel'naga scout is automatically a drone.

Also they miss little things like what color and what position people are in regards to 3'oclock, 7'oclock etc... Another thing that I kinda cringe at is commentators in mirror matches call the other player the wrong name. So maybe in a White-rA vs Nony they would say a phase prism that belongs to Nony is actually White-rAs. All of these things are very small details but I think they are the easiest to fix.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 13:38:22
July 22 2010 13:10 GMT
#185
On July 21 2010 06:33 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 05:28 Chill wrote:
On July 20 2010 16:53 Aberu wrote:
As much as you guys complain, you could have it worse, you could be a tournament follower of the Super Smash game scene. Even the WORST commentators from Starcraft are ten times as professional as the ones our community think are the best. In fact most commentators for fighting games are idiots (yipes anyone? reminds me of the background voice in Idiocracy that would announce the president coming out).

Rockefeller from 3S & Family Fun is my favourite commentator of any genre. I used to consciously tried to emulate his style.


loooool FFA commentary guys so goooooood
personal favs
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAus6r3JY2c

last one is done my dirty sanchez and ray ramos(sp)
sanchez is even funny commentating on shit he doesnt even know
+ Show Spoiler +

I'm gonna have to agree with Chill here. Rockefeller is THE best video game commentator I have ever heard. Thing is though, since SC isn't as action packed as fighting games, it doesn't translate well. Here is him giving an interview recently though:


----


Also about this whole proxy thing. In magic the gathering proxy is used when a player takes a shitty card and writes on it and uses it place of an expensive rare of a card they don't have/don't want to wear out.
So in this instance, the word is used like 'fake/placeholder' Approximate. But in a tournament actually, a proxy has to be near by and proved so you could technically also use it like 'proximity'.

Since in starcraft people never use the fake/placeholder version (fake double terran, for example). The usage is exclusively a reference to the fact that it's not at home base, closer to the opponent's base. Proximity.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 22 2010 14:31 GMT
#186
a proxy is not necessarily closer to your opponents base though. They can also be used simply to hide tech, in which case the proximity is irrelevant, but it's still a proxy.

I still maintain that proxy has always been proxy, not short for anything. I can understand the confusion since they both look similar and in some cases you can understand the usage of one over the other, but proxy isn't short for proximity and it's a perfectly adequate term on its own for something outside your base so I'm not sure why people would want it to stand for anything else

I suppose people could argue the fact that a proxy building absolutely must be a production facility with a shorter than usual rush distance to an opponents base, and that that's why proxy is in actual fact short for proximity but to me that's reaching even further to call this spade something other than a spade

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Proxy

Not sure if that was changed recently or not
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 14:49:10
July 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#187
Liqupedia is written by the newschool. Back in the day, proxy was for proximity. A proxy does have to be closer to your opponent. If it's not then it's just hidden tech and not a proxy.

Maybe it's changed but I'm going with the 2000 definitions here.

I mean at this point there's no reason to continue discussing it. They both make sense and proxy has taken on its own meaning in video games.
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 14:59:14
July 22 2010 14:52 GMT
#188
It couldn't possibly be that whoever told you that in 2000 got it wrong to begin with

As far back as I can recall, it was always a "proxy pylon" that was used to make hidden DT tech.

In fact, I don't recall a time when a pylon itself was ever offensive, but was always considered proxy if it was outside of your base. Proxy gateways fit this narrow definition, but why is "proxy pylon" so ubiquitous to SC if proxies are strictly offensive maneuvers
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
July 22 2010 15:21 GMT
#189
On July 22 2010 23:52 floor exercise wrote:
It couldn't possibly be that whoever told you that in 2000 got it wrong to begin with

As far back as I can recall, it was always a "proxy pylon" that was used to make hidden DT tech.

In fact, I don't recall a time when a pylon itself was ever offensive, but was always considered proxy if it was outside of your base. Proxy gateways fit this narrow definition, but why is "proxy pylon" so ubiquitous to SC if proxies are strictly offensive maneuvers

I don't know!
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 22 2010 15:27 GMT
#190
proxy/proximity is starcraft's chicken/egg
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
July 22 2010 15:30 GMT
#191
I read that as nevergg somehow.
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 24 2010 07:00 GMT
#192
Pisses me off:

Colossus // Colossi - that's singular // plural. Now in early beta there was some confusion as to what the plural of Colossus was, but now people are using "Colossi" for singular. Wtf is up with that.

"We'll have to wait and see" - Usually you don't.

"Fast X, X rush" - Some commentators say this regardless of time at which it's built. wth.

"So smart of Huk putting a pylon here to reinforce" - it's not smart. it's superduper standard.

Short air distances - WE KNOW. OH FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WE KNOOOOOW

Extra chance adverbs "could possibly/potentially do x" - asdf.

Hidden expo - when spawning in close positions on a 4p map, taking the main base opposite your opponent's isn't "hidden", it's the clever thing to do.

Day9 also uses "push" a lot when they're attacks. :/

Also "unbelievable" things are usually quite believable

"X loves doing Y", seriously?

that's it for now >_>
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 03 2011 15:06 GMT
#193
Update:

Harass is a verb. Harassment is a noun.
Expand is a verb. Expansion is a noun.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 03 2011 15:21 GMT
#194
This applies more to live commentary, but Early GGs really piss me off. Do they make you mad as well Chill?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 15:34:25
May 03 2011 15:34 GMT
#195
On July 24 2010 16:00 Pholon wrote:
Day9 also uses "push" a lot when they're attacks. :/


much of the community has copied him, and it's annoying
I drop suckas like Plinko
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
May 03 2011 22:12 GMT
#196
Why does everyone and their grandmother pronounce lair as "layer"?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 03 2011 23:25 GMT
#197
I checked the first 5 pages and it wasn't mentioned, but the name of the 8th terran mission in the original campaign was "The Big Push".

It implies you're conquering a lot of occupied/defender territory though. So if you roll through multiple expansions like in tvp SC1 without sieging that's a push. If you break a siege and continue driving to their base it's a push.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 04 2011 15:22 GMT
#198
"It doesn't look like ______ is going to be able to recover from this. Yup, it's gonna have to be GG. There's just nothing he can do to come back from this."
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 16:24:23
May 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#199
Funny how you yourself now use these terms in the wrong context (according to you) since you started doing the TSL
JackOscar
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden50 Posts
May 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#200
I'm utterly annoyed when the commentators try to make it sound like the game isn't or may not be over to make it more interesting.

"Wow, I don't think july's going to be able to come back from this" When he's at 1 base vs 4 base terran who has 14 siege tanks at his nat, OFC he isn't coming back from this.
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