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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:13 GMT
#1
Hello, I need to write an essay on existentialism. The only primary source I can use is the genealogy of morals. I finished the book, but I can think of nothing that can be argued for or against. I agree with nietzsche on everything, even if I was to disagree I'm not gonna go learn latin and check his sources. Please give me some hints or direction to where I should look, thank you.

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24670 Posts
March 04 2009 01:15 GMT
#2
I'm getting sick and tired of all these god damned existentialism help blogs.

More seriously, you really have absolutely no leads? I don't know much about existentialism with my limited philosophy education, so I can't steer you in the right direction, but I'm surprised that you can be content with that entire book yet can't think of even a few ideas to bounce off us...
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:16 GMT
#3
calm down dude I've made two blogs
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
March 04 2009 01:17 GMT
#4
albert camu.

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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:18 GMT
#5
I can only use genealogy of morals
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24670 Posts
March 04 2009 01:18 GMT
#6
On March 04 2009 10:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
calm down dude I've made two blogs

I didn't even realize you had made another existentialism blog before hahahaha
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:19 GMT
#7
there are other existentialism help blogs?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24670 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 01:21:48
March 04 2009 01:21 GMT
#8
No.... + Show Spoiler [abridged for zulu] +
It was facetious, and implied satire of the usual problem with the same help topics over and over in blogs
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 04 2009 01:21 GMT
#9
On March 04 2009 10:17 Zalfor wrote:
albert camu.

the stranger

That book actually shows an existential failure...the MC has an existential epiphany at his death...for the rest of the book, he's a mere absurdist more or less.

at OP: I haven't studied existentialism closely yet...I'm signed up for that class next quarter...haha.

Though if you can't find something to argue about, that's a waste...philosophy is all about discourse and debate...haha. One of the professors at my school said something along the lines of, "In philosophy, any field of study has constant debate going on. People will nitpick and tear apart anything and everything, trying to find everything wrong with it. Then once there's no more problems, we kind of stop talking about it."
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:23 GMT
#10
I read can not find any problems with nietzsche
Tynuji
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
127 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 01:34:31
March 04 2009 01:33 GMT
#11
Try maybe the meaning of life?

Doesn't exisitentialism say we die, that's it, kapoot? We make the choice on how to live blah blah blah, but possibly a hefty arguement on what's the meaning in all of it? If you believe there is no meaning then use Nietzsche to back you up.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 04 2009 01:46 GMT
#12
zulu it would be helpful if you explained what type of essay it is supposed to be
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 01:49 GMT
#13
just 6-10 pages I have to come up with a topic first
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 04 2009 01:56 GMT
#14
it sounds like a stupid assignment, i always hate assignments like these

anyways i would basically just write a synopsis of the book complimented with occasional opinions/criticism of my own
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 04 2009 01:57 GMT
#15
and if i had no differing opinions i might just throw in speculation of alternate views/opinions
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 02:00 GMT
#16
-_-
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
March 04 2009 02:24 GMT
#17
can you arrange a meeting with the professor or TA? never hurts to ask for help as long as you've studied the material and it's far enough in advance of the due date. all my best papers involved a 1 on 1 meeting with the prof
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 04 2009 02:29 GMT
#18
If all else fails, try reconstructing Nietzsche's arguments and develop them yourself. Take his arguments, reduce them logically (if you can), and work from there trying to prove it on your own.

Also, another good thing to do is find major outside criticisms and try to refute them, or at least look into what they're trying to do.

Well...that formula works well for more contemporary western philo...like epistemology, linguistics and whatnot...I dunno about the older stuff.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 04 2009 02:37 GMT
#19
You should be able to write oodles on the blonde beast.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 02:41 GMT
#20
i dont see anything existential about the blonde beast
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 02:45 GMT
#21
On March 04 2009 11:24 Liquid`NonY wrote:
can you arrange a meeting with the professor or TA? never hurts to ask for help as long as you've studied the material and it's far enough in advance of the due date. all my best papers involved a 1 on 1 meeting with the prof


im supposed to meet with him when i think of ideas to get approved. Btw I'm writing a critique of dreyfus on foucault in my spare time, that dudes gonna get owned.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 03:01:55
March 04 2009 02:49 GMT
#22
if you can't argue against nietzsche, defend his stuff against critics. i dont know much about that particular work, but one possible topic is whether the metaphysical attitude of man as a free being of some sort conflict with the materialistic, functional metaphysics of neurobiology. then you can talk about whether existentialism relies on a metaphysics or merely express its ideas on human action etc as one. nominalism vs realism stuff.

you might want to read about compatibilism of free will to get a feel of the operating space for the aforementioned metaphysical nominalism vs realism question. some people, like me, think that we can have free will in a substantial way even under determinism, and it is enough to support the existentialist take on being human.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/#1.1

if free will is not easy to work with, try something like identity. there should be enough stuff written on that to fill trucks

but i think this direction is far off the path of continental philosophy. or you can examine the political implications like jibba suggested. it depends on the focus of your course
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 03:00 GMT
#23
All this will to make choices shit was invented by Sartre, in what I've read so far Nietzsche does not care at all about the individual.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 04 2009 03:05 GMT
#24
well as i said i know pretty much jack about nietzschean existentialism, if it is that. but in any case, there should be plenty of controversial stuff, as long as he's writing about things remotely relevant to any philosophical concerns.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 03:14 GMT
#25
it was certainly controversial when it was first written by nowadays everyone and their mother is nietszchean now
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 03:26:22
March 04 2009 03:21 GMT
#26
well, i dont know if you guys have things like metaethics, but from what i see nietzsche is on the aggressive side of scepticism, and he does not have that good of a control of the line between scepticism about foundational epistemology and nihilistic sounding bites. that is certainly a controversial position, or at any rate an arguable one. not really existentialism per se, but metaethics deals quite a bit with the nature of agency and such. although nietzsche uses different terms, i think it is the basic issue of meaning creation being an action, a positive activity instead of naturally presenting.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 03:27:48
March 04 2009 03:27 GMT
#27
yes exactly the first essay of genealogy is basically nietzsche quoting latin context and showing how our conception of good, bad, and evil has changed along with histoical power conflicts primarily the jews vs the romans. Nothing to argue for or against there except to agree. I mean how do you analytic people argue against skepticism
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 04 2009 03:54 GMT
#28
skepticism about "absolutism" is really easy, but then the interesting question is how one gets any positive moral doctrines at all. personally i just say that normativity is a distinct space of reason and while it is not in any way metaphysically guaranteed to exist, any normative arguments must be defended normatively, and we can place scenarios within the space by questioning them normatively, provided that there are appropriate moral agents involved. so it gives you room for all the normative activities you want to do while not making any metaphysical commitments.

it is against nihilism, normative or completely amoral. for a normative nihilism (which is itself a contradiction btw, so it is a vulgar position entertained by noobs) you simply dispute it as any normative assertion. if a guy says "this is ok...because nothing is wrong." or "we should accept this... because nothing is wrong." you simply disregard the second part of his sentence and challenge the former, noting that it is a normative position in itself and thus requires justification by normative arguments. for the amoral kind of nihilism, you are faced wtih a situation in which no positive normative judgment is being advanced, then you simply bring up the normative dimension by asking a normative question, provided that there are appropriate moral agents involved. say the situation is a guy depriving a cute little girl of her candy, and you say "what a douche!" the sceptic then questions your 'right' to pronounce judgment on the situation. the response you are faced with is probably something like "but you can't say that it is wrong because nothing is wrong" here you declare that you are simply exercising your faculty of moral consideration, of putting whatever issue at hand under normative scrutiny. each moment of moral significance is an application of this faculty. (this is more of a faculty of thought, like the ability to think mathematically) it is your liberty to think of the problem normatively, to live a moral life is thus not contingent on the existence of absolute morality but on you taking the time to do so.

at the end of the day, we have a situation in which the god of fundationalism is being destroyed while that destruction is still understood under its shadow. the dissolution of absolute standards leads some to abandon any ethical contemplation at all, which is not a necessary result. the most interesting issue is why a metaphysics, a cosmology indeed, is required at all in order to think ethically, and the relation between our substantive and pragmatic ethical judgements and metaethical theory.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Diggity
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States806 Posts
March 04 2009 04:33 GMT
#29
Are you absolutely locked on sources?

Otherwise I would suggest a compare and contrast with Soren Kierkegaard. Even if you aren't allowed a direct route of comparison because you are locked on sources, Soren can give you some different lines of thought or counter arguments.

If not Soren you can check up on both of their responses to Hegel or Hegels influences. (Contradiction and negotiation as a means of evolution vs Will to Power as a form of advancement in its place maybe)

Either way both will give you a baseline to argue against or for Nietzsche
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 04 2009 04:48 GMT
#30
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/51715/Xistential.pdf
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 04 2009 05:30 GMT
#31
lol sick thanks
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
March 04 2009 05:39 GMT
#32
Find some books about existentialism in the Genealogy of Morals, go to the sources in their bibliographies, then go to the sources in those bibliographies.
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