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Ok, here's my opinion on Bisu. I know most people don't care about it but it might be interesting to some of you.
There was a replay pack of Bisu I downloaded a long long time ago, I don't think he was pro back then, maybe even he was 14 or 15... I watched the games and in all 3 matchups he was very very aggressive. Most of the games were short (under 12-13 minutes) and opponents cracked under his pressure. I especially remember his PvP on Requiem where he went 2 gate zeal to goon to DT in 6 minutes. He did this by making only 15 probes and teching to the DTs while pumping 5 zealots and 4-5 goons. It was amazing to see him rape. I was really impressed back then. To the point where he became my favorite player.
Then I had to stop playing BW/watching VODs. But I lurked and read TL from time to time. This was during the Savior era. And then came this final where Bisu the utter underdog raped Savior 3 to 0 in like an hour with this hyper aggressive and perfectly timed sair/dt build, the so called Bisu build.
Yeah, it was timed to crush Savior. To put him in a state of mind where he looked completely helpless and lost and unable to defend or attack properly. To make him do his ridiculous hydra dance at the end of game 3 on Blitz (was it Blitz?). Bisu delivered and I was happy. He crushed in a very convincing fashion the best ZvP player with a build so perfectly timed and thought of it reminds art.
Maybe Savior was too much into partying and whore-fucking. I remember Rakrul posting something about that. And that's understandable. I mean... A guy at the age of 18-19 with a shitload of money who sacrificed so so much to become a Bonjwa. And at some point he must have thought something like "WTF am I doing this for? I'm having no fun, I won all that is possible and worth winning, I might as well go get a massage and a few blowjobs". That's understandable.
But back on Bisu and my fan-dom. I really enjoyed watching him. I started watching the Starleagues just to see him play. But he slumped for some time. Then came back in 2008 to win some trophies. And he did in such a dominating fashion people started talking of him as the new Bonjwa. And then he lost some PvZ on Tears of the Moon and in the interview he said it was the map's fault.
At this point my opinion on him dropped to sub-zero. For a lot of reasons. First of all: disrespect to the opponent. The guy against you put a lot of effort in thinking a build, executing it properly and you come and say it's map's fault and if you don't double nex you're pretty much fucked nowadays. That's just not how a champion thinks and acts. The champion swallows defeat and learns from it. The champion types GG and he means it, he shows respect to the guy who owned him and sweated and trained hard. The champion doesn't diminish his opponents' accomplishments... I was really disappointed and sad to read this. At this point I realized Bisu will never be the Bonjwa. At least in my eyes. I will always enjoy watching him play but my respect to him went down the drain.
Now the bright stuff:
And today I watched a game of him vs yellow[arnc]. Bisu went 1 gate to sair. And played a game of perfect adaption and scouting. He scouted lurkers, he went robo to obs before templars. He then scouted mutalisk switch, He went sair heavy. He went very late storm but never seemed behind the whole game. And I was very imppressed by the whole game and how both of them played. Yello[arnc] was the aggressor, Bisu the defender for most of the game. And he defended brilliantly which led to victory.
So I thought to myself "Here he is, playing a game of scouting and adaptation and doing it so good it's sad to see every attempt of Yellow[arnc] die to zeal/cannon or the fleet of corsairs. Look at how he intercepted those mutas, how he killed like 7 overlords and sacrificed 3-4 sairs cause it was totally worth it... He must have been pissed when he said it was TotM's fault back then... That's the Bisu I enjoy watching. That's the Bisu I started to like... Shit, I am pumped and happy! I hope he goes to win this OSL...". Although I doubt he will. Jaedong seems just too strong right now.
But that doesn't matter. I think Bisu's right on track with his PvZ. I just hope he doesn't go like Savior and do the "too-much-whoring" thing. I would understand why but I hope he doesn't do it and continue to play in this inspiring and low base micro intensive style like in the game vs Yellow[arnc].
I guess I just meant to say Kim Taek Yong FIGHTING!!!
Sorry if I lost your time!
 
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On February 26 2009 18:18 hymn wrote:First of all: disrespect to the opponent. The guy against you put a lot of effort in thinking a build, executing it properly and you come and say it's map's fault and if you don't double nex you're pretty much fucked nowadays. That's just not how a champion thinks and acts. The champion swallows defeat and learns from it. The champion types GG and he means it, he shows respect to the guy who owned him and sweated and trained hard. The champion doesn't diminish his opponents' accomplishments...
Wait what? I most likely have missed this. When did Bisu complain about map imbalance and all this disrespect you so claim?
Just curious as I have no recollection of this.
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United States12607 Posts
Great blog...interesting about his early replay packs. You lost all your respect for Bisu based on just one interview? Come on, give the guy a second chance! Pros comment on the maps all the time, and Bisu definitely wasn't like "OMG MAP IMBA".
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On February 26 2009 18:20 omfghi2u2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 18:18 hymn wrote:First of all: disrespect to the opponent. The guy against you put a lot of effort in thinking a build, executing it properly and you come and say it's map's fault and if you don't double nex you're pretty much fucked nowadays. That's just not how a champion thinks and acts. The champion swallows defeat and learns from it. The champion types GG and he means it, he shows respect to the guy who owned him and sweated and trained hard. The champion doesn't diminish his opponents' accomplishments... Wait what? I most likely have missed this. When did Bisu complain about map imbalance and all this disrespect you so claim? Just curious as I have no recollection of this.
when he lost to zero or some shit.
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I don't think bisu will fall to the path of the night, he seems too clean cut tbqh
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On February 26 2009 18:20 omfghi2u2 wrote:
Wait what? I most likely have missed this. When did Bisu complain about map imbalance and all this disrespect you so claim?
Just curious as I have no recollection of this.
There was an interview right after he lost on Tears of the Moon. He said he lost due to the map being impossible for PvZ. It has 2 ways from which zerg comes and the protoss can't make good enough sim city to block both ways without being too much behind. And also said the protoss can't win nowadays vs zerg if he doesn't go double nex.
Yeah, it was kinda harsh to say I lost all my respect to him. He's gaining it all back via great games which is the best way to do it.
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On February 26 2009 18:52 nataziel wrote:
I don't think bisu will fall to the path of the night, he seems too clean cut tbqh
don't think he needs it anyways
at least not the whoring part
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On February 26 2009 18:56 hymn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 18:20 omfghi2u2 wrote:
Wait what? I most likely have missed this. When did Bisu complain about map imbalance and all this disrespect you so claim?
Just curious as I have no recollection of this. There was an interview right after he lost on Tears of the Moon. He said he lost due to the map being impossible for PvZ. It has 2 ways from which zerg comes and the protoss can't make good enough sim city to block both ways without being too much behind. And also said the protoss can't win nowadays vs zerg if he doesn't go double nex. Yeah, it was kinda harsh to say I lost all my respect to him. He's gaining it all back via great games which is the best way to do it.
have you read the interview(s) he did after that were he basically apologised for being so arrogant? respect came back for me. 
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Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
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On February 26 2009 19:21 fearus wrote:
Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
God you're such a fanboy.
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On February 26 2009 19:44 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 19:21 fearus wrote:
Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
God you're such a fanboy.
Numbers don't lie, even in a fanboy's hands.
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On February 26 2009 19:21 fearus wrote:
Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
THAT PROVES NOTHING!
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If you haven't, you should really read Bisu's interview after his OSL Wildcard win if that TotM comment turned you off.
"It seems like that I have been playing starcraft with my mouth rather than my hands these days, so I have been doing very terrible. I said stuff like "I will get to finals", "I can never lose to Zergs" yet I lost every single game. So I decided not to say much from now on."
Overall it sounded pretty sincere, he got a bit cocky and arrogant (and rightly so I think) but he's been showing that he recognizes the fact that he let things go to his head, and he's calming down a bit now.
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On February 26 2009 19:46 rkarhu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 19:21 fearus wrote:
Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
THAT PROVES NOTHING!
Of course it proves nothing, but there definitely is some strong evidence in favor of zergs winning more easily on this map.
On another note your anti-Bisu fanboyism is hypocritical and amusing =D
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KIM TAEK YONG FIGHTING!
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1196 Posts
To be fair, I think anyone that thinks Totm isn't imba in pvz are just kidding themselves.
There is a reason p's fe whenever possible, even before this recent fe craze.
Bisu just realises that vocalistion this fact will
a) not change that fact that he was out of the osl at that point, so is pointless.
b) will not make him popular, even if he has a good point.
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United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 19:47 erin[go]bragh wrote:
If you haven't, you should really read Bisu's interview after his OSL Wildcard win if that TotM comment turned you off.
"It seems like that I have been playing starcraft with my mouth rather than my hands these days, so I have been doing very terrible. I said stuff like "I will get to finals", "I can never lose to Zergs" yet I lost every single game. So I decided not to say much from now on."
Overall it sounded pretty sincere, he got a bit cocky and arrogant (and rightly so I think) but he's been showing that he recognizes the fact that he let things go to his head, and he's calming down a bit now.
Wow, this is a great quote - I'd missed this interview. Nice post.
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On February 26 2009 20:01 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
To be fair, I think anyone that thinks Totm isn't imba in pvz are just kidding themselves.
I agree it's imbalanced. But that's not my point.
The way I see it a champion just doesn't act this way. The champion, the player to be Bonjwa fights through all that is thrown at him, tears the opposition apart, makes them enter the player booth almost sure they've already lost, regardless of map or matchup or opponents.
That's a bonjwa. A guy whose whole attitude screams "I'm a raping you on this imbalanced for me map just to show you who's the bitch" is a bonjwa...
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are you an IdrA fan? just wondering. he has the "spirit of a champion", right?
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On February 26 2009 20:43 hymn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 20:01 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
To be fair, I think anyone that thinks Totm isn't imba in pvz are just kidding themselves. I agree it's imbalanced. But that's not my point. The way I see it a champion just doesn't act this way. The champion, the player to be Bonjwa fights through all that is thrown at him, tears the opposition apart, makes them enter the player booth almost sure they've already lost, regardless of map or matchup or opponents. That's a bonjwa. A guy whose whole attitude screams "I'm a raping you on this imbalanced for me map just to show you who's the bitch" is a bonjwa...
I dunno. I like a champion who says it like it is. The map in imbalanced, so he points it out. He's not gonna ignore it and nod when people want to know why he lost and let the fans/antifans come to their own conclusions. I don't like a champion who plays politics and keeps his mouth quiet even if it speaks the truth just to look noble. It's just my idea of a champion anyways.
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I'm pretty sure Bisu has also said in the Taek Bang interviews that, during the "Golden Age of Protoss," maps favored protoss which allowed them to gain more wins. And I believe it was Bisu himself who predicted that the age of protoss would end when the maps shifted away from Protoss favor.
Anti fans are quick to point out his statement about maps favoring non protoss, but he also has made statements about maps favoring protoss just the same.
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The 'ideal champion' of you guys is just BORING.
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China3334 Posts
Every time I see a bunch of Bisu fanboys and haters fight for who's next Bonjwa, it's hilarious to me. I don't really care about the Bonjwa thing. I'm not pretending.
Bisu is the one who pulled me back to the progaming scene. For me, he stands for the showmanship, the most entertaining games and the gold age of human being. I've seen too many great players up and down then progaming becomes simple entertainment for me. He's the one whose victories make me happy, that's more than enough.
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You might say that after Savior owning everyone on RLT and Longinus 2, and Flash owning everyone on Katrina (and maybe Medusa), Bisu has a lot to live up too.
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does anyone have the raw source (korean) of the interview bisu said that in? I remember watching that game and reading the thread and don't remember him saying something so soreloser-like.
That was a really good read btw. I can especially relate because I'm a pathetic bisu fanboy as well =)
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On February 26 2009 21:14 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I'm pretty sure Bisu has also said in the Taek Bang interviews that, during the "Golden Age of Protoss," maps favored protoss which allowed them to gain more wins. And I believe it was Bisu himself who predicted that the age of protoss would end when the maps shifted away from Protoss favor.
Anti fans are quick to point out his statement about maps favoring non protoss, but he also has made statements about maps favoring protoss just the same.
Did he really say this? If he did, I don't think as many people would be so quick to call Bisu the arrogant bastard he is.
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On February 26 2009 20:58 Skyze wrote:
are you an IdrA fan? just wondering. he has the "spirit of a champion", right?
More like eye of the tiger *roar* ammarite
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On February 26 2009 21:39 Emlary wrote:
Every time I see a bunch of Bisu fanboys and haters fight for who's next Bonjwa, it's hilarious to me. I don't really care about the Bonjwa thing. I'm not pretending.
Bisu is the one who pulled me back to the progaming scene. For me, he stands for the showmanship, the most entertaining games and the gold age of human being. I've seen too many great players up and down then progaming becomes simple entertainment for me. He's the one whose victories make me happy, that's more than enough.
This.
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Hungary4707 Posts
Well, Bisu is my favorite protoss player too.
When I played protoss, I learnt a lot from his replays.
I think, his multitask and harassing ability is why he is the best.
I remember, my first impression of him was a replay, Bisu[shield] vs Nal_keke on Neo Forte.
I dropped my jaws, because I simply didn't know why the zerg quit.
Bisu was bottom right, zerg up left. Bisu opened with fast expand into speed zealot build and taking the only mineral. Meanwhile Nal_keke tried keeping the upper hand in macro, while pumping constant mass hydralisk. It was a never ending battle at the edge of Bisu's new, building only mineral expo. And, the zerg quit. I was watching the rep at fastest, or 2x, and I didn't understand it.
After I rewatched the replay carefully, while the big battle lasted, he controlled a DT through the streaming hydralisks, sneaked into the zerg base, and killed every single drone off from all the 3 bases of nal_keke. Meanwhile he microed and macroed pretty much perfectly.
This is his signature, he does pretty much everything almost perfectly while doing more tasks at the same time than his opponent.
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Bisu is my favorite cause he's HOT!
;p
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Regardless of what anti-fans say (myself included, I hate Bisu), he is really really really fucking good. He is an incredible player and deserves every bit of credit he gets.
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Tears of the Moon is fucking broken ZvP...sorry. Every starleague season, there's a map that shafts a race in at least one MU. It was zerg the last two with Tiamat, the most ridiculous map ever (TvZ 100%????) and Plasma (zerg graveyard, tho it was possible to win...GGplay vs Flash). Now it's protoss's turn.
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Get over yourself, whether you respect him or not has nothing to do with him becoming bonjwa or not. If your appreciation for a player's game goes down the drain after a loss on an imbalanced map and a subsequent frustrated response, you can look elsewhere for an SC idol. Results are results, regardless of him being bm or gm. No one judges character when classifying a bonjwa, they judge their dominance and success. Oov was BM for a while. Boxer bunker rushed 3 games in a row, in a finals, against his greatest rival. Is this not worse than blaming an 11-2 map for Bisu's loss? Jesus.
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On February 27 2009 00:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Regardless of what anti-fans say (myself included, I hate Bisu), he is really really really fucking good. He is an incredible player and deserves every bit of credit he gets.
This. Also, I`ve always found most of his games to be kinda boring. Obviously there are exceptions. Just my opinion.
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On February 26 2009 21:39 Emlary wrote:
Every time I see a bunch of Bisu fanboys and haters fight for who's next Bonjwa, it's hilarious to me. I don't really care about the Bonjwa thing. I'm not pretending.
Bisu is the one who pulled me back to the progaming scene. For me, he stands for the showmanship, the most entertaining games and the gold age of human being. I've seen too many great players up and down then progaming becomes simple entertainment for me. He's the one whose victories make me happy, that's more than enough.
Exactly, I also recently got this feeling when watching Leta play on Tau Cross in this thread.
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nice write up. the only question unanswered is if you had one night would bisu, would you spit or swallow?
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On February 26 2009 19:21 fearus wrote:
Hey.
People bag him for that Tears of the Moon comment but fuck..
Tears of the Moon: ZvP record: 11-2 (84.6%)
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Explanation why there are so many fanboys it's because Bisu has the face of an actor in Korea (gay mode) and the skill of a GOD.
Nuff Said..
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like Flash said, being so charismatic really compensate the lack of talent, which bisu actually has as well, so yeah bisu will always be a star in the korean esport scene and the highlight of almost every starleague or PL intro
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On February 27 2009 03:55 disciple wrote:
like Flash said, being so charismatic really compensate the lack of talent, which bisu actually has as well, so yeah bisu will always be a star in the korean esport scene and the highlight of almost every starleague or PL intro
Flash was an idiot when he said that... there are plenty of talented people who are charismatic.
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Personally i'm sick of anti-Bisuism.They say they hate us fanboys but they curse Bisu as if he killed their whole family. Stop the hate !!!!
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I like Bisu but sometimes he does come off as a bit arrogant in his interviews. But in that recent wildcard interview he acknowledged it so I guess its alright
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Interesting thoughts. I love Bisu for what he did with the Revolution, but sometimes I question his character. But ultimately I don't know the guy, so I'll just maintain my fanboy-ish mentality and cheer Bisu on in every match.
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On February 26 2009 18:18 hymn wrote:
Sorry if I lost your time!
not at all fellow lurker
one of the better blogs i have read in a while
kudos
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On February 27 2009 06:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:not at all fellow lurker one of the better blogs i have read in a while kudos
Yeah definitely...well written and thoughtful.
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he's pretty damn good ^^
bisu fighting!
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