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An important clue is missing: do other people know what i know?
The point of the game is not to shoot people who has real bullet and has not shot yet; otherwise less than 3 people are killed and no one can escape the room.
If i have the gun, i'll explain to other people the problem and ask all people who have the gun to reveal themselves so that people without guns can be killed.
If i don't have the gun, then i only have 25% chance of surviving. Unless other people don't know what i know, in which i'll let the first person shoot (30% chance of shooting the person without a real bullet) then trick other people to shot that person (since he's safe to be killed now) and trick the last one with real bullet to kill the person who killed the first person.
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On February 23 2009 11:52 dasanivan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2009 11:22 Azrael1111 wrote:
Easy, pull out the gun and have everybody else with a gun pull them out. 3 of the people who can't produce a gun (4 people), are then killed by the people with guns.
If you don't have a gun, wait for death as the other people do what I just said. The problem with this solution is that there are only three bullets in the room. If all 6 people divided their aim toward 4 different people, there is a chance that fewer than three people would die by getting shot. But my solution is guilt free 
They don't all have to shoot simultaneously.
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Then again firms have a tendency to cut the weak ones from their own group...
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On February 23 2009 11:47 mikeymoo wrote:
If you don't have a gun, tell the 6 guys with guns that you know how to keep them all alive if they listen to you and keep you alive in return. Then shoot the other 3 guys.
lol? you only have one bullet at max.
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I'd push for not doing anything until the hour is up and the oxygen runs out. Then this becomes a less question of morals and more of a question of which 3 have the smallest lungs. Once 3 people suffocate to death, door opens, oxygen returns, 7 live with their conscience intact... some of whom are armed and loaded, ready to take down the buster who set this entire thing up in the first place.
BTW, at the 59 minute and 59 second mark, i'd tell a funny joke, so everyone else would be laughing and wasting precious air ... Either that or fart. XD
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On February 23 2009 11:51 travis wrote:
1 guy shoots the lock, 2 guys shoot leg straps of one of the guys. that guy goes and gets help
"The door will not open to this room until three people have died."
=D I wouldn't know how to respond to a question like that.
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On February 23 2009 11:54 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2009 11:52 dasanivan wrote:On February 23 2009 11:22 Azrael1111 wrote:
Easy, pull out the gun and have everybody else with a gun pull them out. 3 of the people who can't produce a gun (4 people), are then killed by the people with guns.
If you don't have a gun, wait for death as the other people do what I just said. The problem with this solution is that there are only three bullets in the room. If all 6 people divided their aim toward 4 different people, there is a chance that fewer than three people would die by getting shot. But my solution is guilt free They don't all have to shoot simultaneously.
good point, but how terrible it would be at the receiving end in that case.
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Ok this question is a maximize expected gain/minimize expected loss question, so it's not about teamwork or altruism.
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ok the 3 guys with bullets hand their bullets to the guy with the strongest hands
he opens up 2 of the bullets creating a trail of gun powder, and then shoots it
the powder burns through the coat/chair. he then stands up and pulls out his cell phone, calls his mom.
turns out his entire family (mom, dad, sister) just died in a car accident. door opens, everyone is saved.
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On February 23 2009 11:45 29 fps wrote:
this sounds like a pretty difficult question... how much time did you have to answer this question?
oh, and how was this relevant to the job? reasoning? decision making?
Maximize expected value given incomplete market information. (Kinda like poker)
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On February 23 2009 12:03 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2009 11:45 29 fps wrote:
this sounds like a pretty difficult question... how much time did you have to answer this question?
oh, and how was this relevant to the job? reasoning? decision making? Maximize expected value given incomplete market information. (Kinda like poker)
business is a cold world :[
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On February 23 2009 12:03 travis wrote:
ok the 3 guys with bullets hand their bullets to the guy with the strongest hands
he opens up 2 of the bullets creating a trail of gun powder, and then shoots it
the powder burns through the coat/chair. he then stands up and pulls out his cell phone, calls his mom.
turns out his entire family (mom, dad, sister) just died in a car accident. door opens, everyone is saved.
what if there was poor reception in the room?
LOL GG
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On February 23 2009 12:03 travis wrote:
ok the 3 guys with bullets hand their bullets to the guy with the strongest hands
he opens up 2 of the bullets creating a trail of gun powder, and then shoots it
the powder burns through the coat/chair. he then stands up and pulls out his cell phone, calls his mom.
turns out his entire family (mom, dad, sister) just died in a car accident. door opens, everyone is saved.
i think this would work very well!
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What if one of the people who had a gun+bullet wasn't able to kill a person, so there would be no bullets left and only 2 people dead.
Then the rest of the 7 are gg?
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I look at my arms, and say "It's impossible that i don't have a gun"
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On February 23 2009 12:10 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2009 12:03 travis wrote:
ok the 3 guys with bullets hand their bullets to the guy with the strongest hands
he opens up 2 of the bullets creating a trail of gun powder, and then shoots it
the powder burns through the coat/chair. he then stands up and pulls out his cell phone, calls his mom.
turns out his entire family (mom, dad, sister) just died in a car accident. door opens, everyone is saved. what if there was poor reception in the room? LOL GG
verizon wireless ftw
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the only thing you need to concern yourself with (apart from the general fucked-up-ness(?) of the situation) is making sure that everyone with a gun and a real bullet kills someone.
In both cases you have to concern yourselves with the decisions others make. I'm going to assume they're rational creatures that are just as smart as you and are in the room for the same reason (to live).
if you have a gun, you guarantee survival just like it's been said previously (shoot non-gun people). This assumes other gun people agree with this logic, and since they want to live, they will.
if you don't have a gun, it's tricky because you have to rely on the decisions made by other people. However, given the smart and rational assumption, they would would implement the same strategy even without your help (because that guarantees the gun people 100% of survival, and the non-gun people don't have a say in the matter.)
So, if you have a gun you have 100% chance of survival, and if you don't, you have a 25% chance. I don't see how you could alter this if my smart and rational assumption is reasonable.
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This is most interesting if you don't have a gun, assuming that all you care about is maximizing your own survival and the situation is set up so there's no easy way out.
Here's two possibilities:
1. Quickly speak up and tell the gunholders the strategy of taking turns shooting 3 of the defenseless people. Plead with them that since you just worked together with them - have them kill the other 3 defenseless people.
2. Quickly start with "OK EVERYONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN. If anybody here pulls out a gun before we agree on a strategy, the rest of us are going to shoot you." (The goal of this is to try to prevent the gunholders from identifying each other and executing 3 defenseless people.) Then try to get people to agree on the strategy of first identifying one person without a gun, have the person to his/her left shoot at him or reveal that they don't have a gun, and continue on clockwise. Then everyone has exactly a 30% chance of dying, depending on whether or not the guy to their left has a loaded gun. You can even be the one to reveal that you don't have a gun first (it doesn't actually hurt your chances, except that you might piss people off), or wait until it's closer to the hour for someone else to.
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not a solution, but could be a potential problem
after one shoots a defenseless person, whether it's a blank or real, the shooter also becomes defenseless, since there's only one bullet......
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