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kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
February 18 2009 04:49 GMT
#1
does 1st player always win @ highest level of skill? aka computer

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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
February 18 2009 04:50 GMT
#2
no im pretty sure its possible for player 2 to always draw the game assuming he plays perfect
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huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
February 18 2009 04:52 GMT
#3
Yeah, piece in the middle wins for player one. Other columns I think are a draw or a loss.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
February 18 2009 04:53 GMT
#4
On February 18 2009 13:50 Atrioc wrote:
no im pretty sure its possible for player 2 to always draw the game assuming he plays perfect

i think it's 1st player wins with perfect play
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
February 18 2009 04:54 GMT
#5
On February 18 2009 13:52 huameng wrote:
Yeah, piece in the middle wins for player one. Other columns I think are a draw or a loss.

No, I haven't played in a while, but I remember that the best move is to start at the very edge.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
oxidized
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States324 Posts
February 18 2009 04:56 GMT
#6
Wikipedia says 1st player can force a win by putting his first piece in the center:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect_Four
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
February 18 2009 04:57 GMT
#7
On February 18 2009 13:54 T.O.P. wrote:
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On February 18 2009 13:52 huameng wrote:
Yeah, piece in the middle wins for player one. Other columns I think are a draw or a loss.

No, I haven't played in a while, but I remember that the best move is to start at the very edge.

Then you're not very good at connect 4

Starting at the edge basically does nothing for you. You limit yourself by playing there first. So much in fact it gives player 2 the advantage.
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Makiva
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
88 Posts
February 18 2009 05:00 GMT
#8
why you got to go and reveal the hustlin' secrets of my elementary school days XD

at least my tic-tac-toe, wall-ball, and paper airplane strategies are safe.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 18 2009 05:06 GMT
#9
On February 18 2009 14:00 Makiva wrote:
why you got to go and reveal the hustlin' secrets of my elementary school days XD

at least my tic-tac-toe, wall-ball, and paper airplane strategies are safe.


tic-tac-toe always start in the corner, you should never lose if you go first

dunno what other kind of strats you can have xD
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
February 18 2009 05:12 GMT
#10
God man.... top of the wikipedia article 'the first player can force a win by starting in the middle column' haha....
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Thavg
Profile Joined July 2008
United States35 Posts
February 18 2009 05:13 GMT
#11
You always tie if your opponent has any clue about tic tac toe ghostclaw...
oxidized
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 05:15:36
February 18 2009 05:13 GMT
#12
Tic-tac-toe was the stupidest game ever. I remember all those elementary school kids thought that hitting center first was the best strat, so they always wanted to go first. Man, I was a smooth talker and was all like "I'll go first, but I'll let you have center." I was such a pimp back in those days.

@ post above me: yes, but its still a "never loosing" strategy. Better yet, taking corner first has many pathways where you can win if your opponent makes one bad move.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
February 18 2009 05:16 GMT
#13
Tic-Tac-Toe is stupid. Omok is the best game ever!
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
February 18 2009 05:27 GMT
#14
Connect 4 is a solved game, first player can always win
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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
February 18 2009 05:30 GMT
#15
On February 18 2009 14:06 GHOSTCLAW wrote:

tic-tac-toe always start in the corner, you should never lose if you go first



A mix between center and corners is good.
You should never lose, ever, regardless of whether you go first or second.

These are children games tbh, paper football is where it's at.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 18 2009 06:04 GMT
#16
On February 18 2009 14:30 Spike wrote:
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On February 18 2009 14:06 GHOSTCLAW wrote:

tic-tac-toe always start in the corner, you should never lose if you go first



A mix between center and corners is good.
You should never lose, ever, regardless of whether you go first or second.

These are children games tbh, paper football is where it's at.


Meh, my favorite has always been thumb-wrestling. My hands our pretty big, so it generally imbalances it in my favor.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 06:11:18
February 18 2009 06:10 GMT
#17
On February 18 2009 13:57 TaP.Nuada wrote:
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On February 18 2009 13:54 T.O.P. wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:52 huameng wrote:
Yeah, piece in the middle wins for player one. Other columns I think are a draw or a loss.

No, I haven't played in a while, but I remember that the best move is to start at the very edge.

Then you're not very good at connect 4

Starting at the edge basically does nothing for you. You limit yourself by playing there first. So much in fact it gives player 2 the advantage.

Oops, I meant putting it in the very edge is the best counter to red's first move.

Actually, I'm pretty good at Connect 4.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
February 18 2009 06:39 GMT
#18
at least you cannot lose when you start from the center, and logically it is the best place to begin with. some of the noobs doesn't understand how important it is since they can't think enough far in the game.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
February 18 2009 06:40 GMT
#19
On February 18 2009 14:06 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 14:00 Makiva wrote:
why you got to go and reveal the hustlin' secrets of my elementary school days XD

at least my tic-tac-toe, wall-ball, and paper airplane strategies are safe.


tic-tac-toe always start in the corner, you should never lose if you go first


what the fuck
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
February 18 2009 06:57 GMT
#20
i love this game
i think i still have it lying around in storage somewhere
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
February 18 2009 07:06 GMT
#21
Connect 4 is the shit, well, for the first couple hundred games or so.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 18 2009 07:20 GMT
#22
Now I just need to figure out the optimal move in every situation as player 1...I'll be INVINCIBLE!
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
February 18 2009 07:21 GMT
#23
On February 18 2009 16:20 JWD wrote:
Now I just need to figure out the optimal move in every situation as player 1...I'll be INVINCIBLE!


Yeah, and old.
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b3tty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada216 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 10:36:57
February 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#24
edit: sorry, misread what ghostclaw said. -.-''
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 18 2009 11:08 GMT
#25
There is a list of solved games on wikipedia somewhere. I forgot the terms but there are different levels of 'solved' games.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
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