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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
December 29 2008 07:54 GMT
#1
Hi Tl.net!

I have been trying to figure out what is wrong with my play lately... I mean.. I make noobs feel like I am an A+ Player and usually get complimented a lot saying I have a shot at being top foreigner etc... but in the other hand when I play against someone my caliber.. I usually lose.. regardless of the situation, let it be cw, friendly match, etc.

My apm keeps increasing I used to average 220 Apm and about 180-200 eapm. My last games I been about 260-280 almost 300 :O and eapm of 220 or something crazy like that.
Also my knowledge about the game keeps increasing.

I seriously want to know wtf is wrong with me and what keeps me apart from good players if I have all the things I think I need..

For reference, I know for a fact these are my flaws:

- Emo Player
- Sore Loser
- Cannot mass game for shit.. I usually have to take long breaks after just one game
- Always! Always! try to do cute shit and over extend myself.
- Everytime I get a lead I get super greedy and never finish the game when Im supposed to and sometimes I lose for being a fagget

I wont post reps since alot of people dont even dl em or whatever.. but if any of you that reads this and has played with me or once you were in this position and overcame it and became a strong player, what were some of things u had to overcome

=(



**
w/e
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
December 29 2008 07:55 GMT
#2
stop letting emotions get in the way, mass game, stop doing cute shit? i mean, what else can we say D:
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
December 29 2008 07:58 GMT
#3
Something else I have noticed is that when I have people watching me I play better...

I have never been to a LAN but I think if I had tons of people obsing me I think I could play more serious I dunno

[image loading]

w/e
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
December 29 2008 08:02 GMT
#4
I'm also a very emotional player... When I lose to stupid shit I get really angry and quit BW. I wish I could be jedi and not give a fuck... there really is no way to get over it, just tell yourself its just a game or just go make an alternate account and bash D noobs like i do

I know, its pathetic
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
December 29 2008 08:02 GMT
#5
You don't have a shot at being a top player because a large percentage of being the best is how hard you can work. Since you seem to be just playing casually and unable to dedicate yourself to it, you are just like the many thousands of other players who "could be a top foreigner" because of their "potential" but never realize it.
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
December 29 2008 08:07 GMT
#6
On December 29 2008 17:02 DanceCommander wrote:
I'm also a very emotional player... When I lose to stupid shit I get really angry and quit BW. I wish I could be jedi and not give a fuck... there really is no way to get over it, just tell yourself its just a game or just go make an alternate account and bash D noobs like i do

I know, its pathetic


dude this is exactly what I DO LOL!

I love clearing my stats and bashing D noobs it makes me feel so goood =( its kinda sad


On December 29 2008 17:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
You don't have a shot at being a top player because a large percentage of being the best is how hard you can work. Since you seem to be just playing casually and unable to dedicate yourself to it, you are just like the many thousands of other players who "could be a top foreigner" because of their "potential" but never realize it.


I guess this summarizes it pretty much, cuz I guess a lot of the peeps I know have a huge potential of being the best as well but they dont care and dont try

w/e
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 08:12:07
December 29 2008 08:09 GMT
#7
BASICS BASICS BASICS... just like amateurs when they wanna become progamers, they practice BASICS!!!...

micro , macro, BOs... the rest comes with practice...

edit: get an smurf account on iccup, and dont give a shit about your stats... that helps alot...
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
December 29 2008 08:12 GMT
#8
Dude one time I played you about a year and 3-4 months ago on hamachi. Before the game, you were saying how bad you were going to beat me and that you ruled. We played on Peaks of Baekdu, and I made my 3rd at the expo below your main (you were 12 o'clock) and slow dropped lurks into your main. My nat/main were defended when you tried to counter, and you used all your scans. You flipped out, said i sucked at starcraft, and we never played again. That was my experience
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
December 29 2008 08:13 GMT
#9
That sounds like a good idea...

as stupid as this may sound... i have never had a smurf account

starting tomorrow I will start a smurf account and see if I feel the improvement with the dont give a shit losses... hopefully!
w/e
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 08:14:56
December 29 2008 08:14 GMT
#10
On December 29 2008 17:12 Quesadilla wrote:
Dude one time I played you about a year and 3-4 months ago on hamachi. Before the game, you were saying how bad you were going to beat me and that you ruled. We played on Peaks of Baekdu, and I made my 3rd at the expo below your main (you were 12 o'clock) and slow dropped lurks into your main. My nat/main were defended when you tried to counter, and you used all your scans. You flipped out, said i sucked at starcraft, and we never played again. That was my experience


lol dude... I always say dumb shit but its stupid humour when I talk about rape before games, etc...

but I dont remember that game, I was never good at peaks but I bet I can rape u ez now LOL jk

wanna play a bo3 for money? jk
w/e
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 08:16:04
December 29 2008 08:15 GMT
#11
the smurf acc won't do all the work by itself... you shud practice hard anyway...
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
December 29 2008 08:22 GMT
#12
Don't gg when you lose. That usually helps.

Another thing is to leave early. I want to kill a man when I see other people raping my base.
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
December 29 2008 08:23 GMT
#13
here is an idea grow some ballz n mass game like ya had a pair
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i can't mass game either
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
December 29 2008 08:52 GMT
#14
you sound like a huge fag from what ques said..
stop being like that to people and learn how to mass games
mass gaming is really a skill in its own and if you can't develop it you will never be great.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 29 2008 08:54 GMT
#15
I make noobs feel like I am an A+ Player and usually get complimented a lot saying I have a shot at being top foreigner etc


anyone in the C ranks bashing D level players will get the same reaction.

My apm keeps increasing I used to average 220 Apm and about 180-200 eapm. My last games I been about 260-280 almost 300 :O and eapm of 220 or something crazy like that.
Also my knowledge about the game keeps increasing.


what does APM have to do with anything? KwarK for example is sub 100 APM player and is about B+ skill. if you actually have that much APM, then you have some other serious flaws if you aren't a really good player.

I seriously want to know wtf is wrong with me and what keeps me apart from good players if I have all the things I think I need..


how do you know you have all the things you need? because D players say you should be a top foreigner? because you have high apm? clearly there is a huge gap you aren't seeing.

For reference, I know for a fact these are my flaws:

- Emo Player
- Sore Loser
- Cannot mass game for shit.. I usually have to take long breaks after just one game
- Always! Always! try to do cute shit and over extend myself.
- Everytime I get a lead I get super greedy and never finish the game when Im supposed to and sometimes I lose for being a fagget


those are flaws but I bet there are others you are overlooking that are MUCH more important to you actually getting better.

I wont post reps since alot of people dont even dl em or whatever..


look at your own replays to see what you're doing wrong. if your apm is 220+ and you're still struggling at C level then you should have some pretty obvious flaws. watching your replays will help you pinpoint them. if you can't do that, ask people for help, aka post your replays. but tbh if you can't see your own flaws from your replays I think you should take a step back and try to look at your play more objectively, because your judgment of your own skill might be flawed.

*I'm not intending this to be bad manner or anything, but it's a serious response.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
December 29 2008 08:55 GMT
#16
If you can't mass game, then your knowledge isn't increasing enough. You're not going against enough scenarios to know the perfect reaction to everything, something that higher level players have done.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 29 2008 08:56 GMT
#17
On December 29 2008 16:58 InfeSteD wrote:
Something else I have noticed is that when I have people watching me I play better...

I have never been to a LAN but I think if I had tons of people obsing me I think I could play more serious I dunno

[image loading]



okay, seriously, wtf is up with this image?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 29 2008 08:57 GMT
#18
On December 29 2008 17:14 InfeSteD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 17:12 Quesadilla wrote:
Dude one time I played you about a year and 3-4 months ago on hamachi. Before the game, you were saying how bad you were going to beat me and that you ruled. We played on Peaks of Baekdu, and I made my 3rd at the expo below your main (you were 12 o'clock) and slow dropped lurks into your main. My nat/main were defended when you tried to counter, and you used all your scans. You flipped out, said i sucked at starcraft, and we never played again. That was my experience


lol dude... I always say dumb shit but its stupid humour when I talk about rape before games, etc...

but I dont remember that game, I was never good at peaks but I bet I can rape u ez now LOL jk

wanna play a bo3 for money? jk


I can vouch that he does always say this shit but he's actually quite manner
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
December 29 2008 09:03 GMT
#19
Well, if it obviously isn't apm setting you aside, you are just a poor decision maker and can't understand the flow of the game as well as semipros.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
December 29 2008 09:04 GMT
#20
I think this is the point where you find that you've gotten your mechanics right, your appropriate actions and you've obtained a certain level of game sense. Its time to bring that game sense further.

Maybe you should talk to someone really good like Nony as to how to bring yourself further. I think one of the really huge reasons why Koreans get so good and why us Foreigners are usually stuck down here is because of the kind of dedicated coaches that they get. So maybe if you find yourself a good mentor.. who knows? Maybe WCG 2011 Infested vs Stork or smth.
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