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is absolutely fucking beautiful. There are a few skills that I see in others that I really admire, and by that virtue, also envy. In truth there's a TON of things I can't do, athletic wise, intelligence wise, and so on, but there's but a handful of those that I actually really want to be able to do.
In particular, Flash's macro is just jaw droppingly good. I never use to appreciate the macro side of things, but after comparing my games, and the games of very good foreigners, and then to compare us against the progamers. It feels like I've stepped off the cliff of a mountain and fallen. It's so hard to explain.
I've watch a ton of replays, fpvods, and I even analyzed via bwchart and eapm but it's unexplainable. It's perfection. You swear someone would need 2 additional hands to pull off the things he pulls off but nope, he's got as much as us to work with but can do twice as much.
 
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watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!
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On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!
oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level.
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i remember when yellow was talking about flash and how every single unit and supply timing was just done perfectly, he said it was amazing and inexplicable
maybe he just has some 6th sense about it? kind of like bisu and multitasking
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On December 17 2008 23:31 gg_hertzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^! oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level.
Did Forgg die or something?
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Bisu's macro is amazing lol. I was watching a fpvod and I saw him cycle through his gateways so fast I couldn't even tell what was building in each one. Then he goes back to juggling his 5 hotkeyed armies...
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Yeah Flash is fucking insane. He's on another level compared to all other progamers.
I saw a replay he played vs Savior, Flash had FOUR (4) mining bases and still he never went over 300 minerals.
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ForGG my fellow
he is a machine gun of pumping units, of course his accuracy cant be compared to flash's but wow
And NaDa==Jaedong==Bisu
a different style that of play that got only 3 players based off in perfection, both microing and macroing like god
special thanks to boxer
but this isnt fair competition cause he doesnt even need to know how to macro to be god
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Yeah I have to agree, ForGG Macro to produce units is fucking amazing.
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i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.
and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else...
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The beautiful thing about flash's macro is not that it is perfect, its also he has scary fucking sick army control, no matter what the size
Thats what made me a flash fan, when he is on 3 base 200/200 and pushes a 6 base toss is just awsome
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as i said, forgg isnt better macroer since he isnt as accurate with timings as Flash
But he pump units like a M60
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PuSan in his amateur days and Tempest  That's what I call macro!
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On December 18 2008 00:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.
and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else...
For sheer amount of units produced forGG's macro is superior.
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On December 18 2008 01:09 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 00:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.
and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else... For sheer amount of units produced forGG's macro is superior.
how the hell do you want to know that.
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On December 17 2008 23:48 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 23:31 gg_hertzz wrote:On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^! oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level. Did Forgg die or something?
For serious do people not remember ForGG and Stork who are constally bashed on for just A moving with 10981023 units. I mean common their micro used to be shit and they won off of raw power. Notable macro is Def GoRush/OOv/ForGG/Stork/Savior/Pusan in spirit toss
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All S Class progamers have immense macro!
Stork/Best/Bisu/Free/Jangbi all amazing macro
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Tempest was probably the first person (amateur at the time) who just suprised me with his macro. There is a game of him on longinus vs ArtofTerran I believe where he basically just does a 3 base quick 9 gate build and is 200 pop in about 11 min. Terran is just barely over 110 psi and Tempest just attack moves and decimates him.
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On December 18 2008 00:52 Ki_Do wrote:
as i said, forgg isnt better macroer since he isnt as accurate with timings as Flash
But he pump units like a M60
You know what the nickname "Time Attacker" is for?
Flash has better game sense but fOrGG has indisputable better macro and timing, though Flash one-ups him in the micro category.
ForGG's real strngth is in his preparation for a series though.
On December 18 2008 02:32 Elsi wrote:
All S Class progamers have immense macro!
Stork/Best/Bisu/Free/Jangbi all amazing macro
Jaedong, in his game vs Bisu on Blue Storm, he displayed crazy macro, though it's hard to notice with all the harass. Any zerg with lesser macro would have been decimated.
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The two players macros I admire most are Flash and Jaedong.
Very few terrans even compare to Flash on a macro level, Sea? ForGG?
Jaedong... doesn't even have a rival zerg to compare to.
Protoss macro is easy - -;;
But I definately relate. It's how I felt about Best when I was watching his first few.
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Flash is beastly but once against like Forgg or something he racked up like 2000 minerals
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On December 18 2008 05:01 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Flash is beastly but once against like Forgg or something he racked up like 2000 minerals
i bet he had no gas. D:
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Personally i feel forgg's macro is the best for all terrans. Talking about tvz His first hanbang has more units than any other pros and he reinforces faster than any other too. I have no idea how to explain how he has so much units. Forgg's series vs jaedong was the greatest display of terran macro i've ever seen.
After that Flash, Sea and Ruby. Ruby is underrated and not as known but watch his tvz games. One i recommend is him vs GGplay on zodiac. He pumps and reinforces so well he literally just rolls over ggplay's nat before hive even though he was behind. Flash and Sea are obvious just watch any game of them on Andromeda going sk terran.
Tvp though is another story ^^. In tvp flash's macro/timing is untouchable and is a work of art in itself. The timings of his builds, when he adds his facts, the amount of scvs he maynards, his expo timings literally everything. No one else comes near.
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On December 18 2008 00:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect.
Can we agree that nothing on Broodwar can be executed perfect please? It may be good, amazing and truely incredible, but "perfect" isn't true :D!
Edit: BeSt's macro is beastly. He conjures units up out of nothing and pounds his opponent with that :S^^
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On December 18 2008 03:08 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 00:52 Ki_Do wrote:
as i said, forgg isnt better macroer since he isnt as accurate with timings as Flash
But he pump units like a M60 You know what the nickname "Time Attacker" is for? Flash has better game sense but fOrGG has indisputable better macro and timing, though Flash one-ups him in the micro category. ForGG's real strngth is in his preparation for a series though. Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 02:32 Elsi wrote:
All S Class progamers have immense macro!
Stork/Best/Bisu/Free/Jangbi all amazing macro
Jaedong, in his game vs Bisu on Blue Storm, he displayed crazy macro, though it's hard to notice with all the harass. Any zerg with lesser macro would have been decimated.
i think jd displays more multitask than macro in that game.
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I'm sure you'll figure out the secret and then refuse to share it with anyone
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On December 20 2008 08:11 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
I'm sure you'll figure out the secret and then refuse to share it with anyone
Well of course that's how it has to work. Otherwise how else would people know that he doesn't actually know it? Can't share a secret you don't know
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