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A progamer's macro.

Blogs > gg_hertzz
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
December 17 2008 14:25 GMT
#1
is absolutely fucking beautiful. There are a few skills that I see in others that I really admire, and by that virtue, also envy. In truth there's a TON of things I can't do, athletic wise, intelligence wise, and so on, but there's but a handful of those that I actually really want to be able to do.

In particular, Flash's macro is just jaw droppingly good. I never use to appreciate the macro side of things, but after comparing my games, and the games of very good foreigners, and then to compare us against the progamers. It feels like I've stepped off the cliff of a mountain and fallen. It's so hard to explain.

I've watch a ton of replays, fpvods, and I even analyzed via bwchart and eapm but it's unexplainable. It's perfection. You swear someone would need 2 additional hands to pull off the things he pulls off but nope, he's got as much as us to work with but can do twice as much.



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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 17 2008 14:28 GMT
#2
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
December 17 2008 14:31 GMT
#3
On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!


oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level.
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
December 17 2008 14:36 GMT
#4
NaDa could do both hehe
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36382 Posts
December 17 2008 14:44 GMT
#5
i remember when yellow was talking about flash and how every single unit and supply timing was just done perfectly, he said it was amazing and inexplicable

maybe he just has some 6th sense about it? kind of like bisu and multitasking
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 17 2008 14:48 GMT
#6
On December 17 2008 23:31 gg_hertzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!


oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level.


Did Forgg die or something?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
December 17 2008 14:50 GMT
#7
....Amazes me as well...
ya had ya shot kid!
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
December 17 2008 14:54 GMT
#8
Bisu's macro is amazing lol. I was watching a fpvod and I saw him cycle through his gateways so fast I couldn't even tell what was building in each one. Then he goes back to juggling his 5 hotkeyed armies...
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 17 2008 15:07 GMT
#9
Yeah Flash is fucking insane. He's on another level compared to all other progamers.

I saw a replay he played vs Savior, Flash had FOUR (4) mining bases and still he never went over 300 minerals.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 15:17:22
December 17 2008 15:15 GMT
#10
please
ForGG my fellow
he is a machine gun of pumping units, of course his accuracy cant be compared to flash's but wow

And NaDa==Jaedong==Bisu
a different style that of play that got only 3 players based off in perfection, both microing and macroing like god



special thanks to boxer
but this isnt fair competition cause he doesnt even need to know how to macro to be god
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 17 2008 15:25 GMT
#11
Yeah I have to agree, ForGG Macro to produce units is fucking amazing.
dats racist
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
December 17 2008 15:34 GMT
#12
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.

and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else...
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
December 17 2008 15:44 GMT
#13
The beautiful thing about flash's macro is not that it is perfect, its also he has scary fucking sick army control, no matter what the size
Thats what made me a flash fan, when he is on 3 base 200/200 and pushes a 6 base toss is just awsome
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
December 17 2008 15:52 GMT
#14
as i said, forgg isnt better macroer since he isnt as accurate with timings as Flash
But he pump units like a M60
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
December 17 2008 16:01 GMT
#15
PuSan in his amateur days and Tempest That's what I call macro!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
December 17 2008 16:09 GMT
#16
On December 18 2008 00:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.

and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else...

For sheer amount of units produced forGG's macro is superior.
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Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
December 17 2008 17:08 GMT
#17
On December 18 2008 01:09 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2008 00:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
i've only see 2 replays of forGG, and an fpvod, so i can't comment. But flash is just perfect. I think it's possible forgg be AS good, but to be even bettern, no, i'm sorry i cannot believe that. It's like asking me to believe that someone out there can run faster than usain bolt. Not possible.

and the thing about flash's macro, is that it's not speed. it's something else...

For sheer amount of units produced forGG's macro is superior.


how the hell do you want to know that.
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
December 17 2008 17:25 GMT
#18
On December 17 2008 23:48 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 23:31 gg_hertzz wrote:
On December 17 2008 23:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
watch old oov games.. :o! Also GoRush is known for incredible good macro^^!


oh i have. But flash's macro stands out above all i think. it's another level.


Did Forgg die or something?

For serious do people not remember ForGG and Stork who are constally bashed on for just A moving with 10981023 units. I mean common their micro used to be shit and they won off of raw power. Notable macro is Def GoRush/OOv/ForGG/Stork/Savior/Pusan in spirit toss
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
December 17 2008 17:32 GMT
#19
All S Class progamers have immense macro!

Stork/Best/Bisu/Free/Jangbi all amazing macro
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
December 17 2008 17:53 GMT
#20
Tempest was probably the first person (amateur at the time) who just suprised me with his macro. There is a game of him on longinus vs ArtofTerran I believe where he basically just does a 3 base quick 9 gate build and is 200 pop in about 11 min. Terran is just barely over 110 psi and Tempest just attack moves and decimates him.
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