Don't be so quick to make generalizations about hip-hop, it's a very eclectic and creative genre. People who say Rap/Hip Hop only talks about [gangs/drugs/girls etc] are as annoying as people who say metal is just people screaming. That is not to say there aren't good songs that explore these topics...
Regardless, I liked a lot of the Korean Hip-Hop in this thread, I just wish I could understand more lyrics than I did.
wait what?
I listen to hip hop. I know what's good and what's bad. I said good rap doesn't talk about sex, girls, or drugs (not like the main concept). I'm confused. I thought the quote you quoted about me says "good rap doesn't talk about sex/drugs/girls" o_o and yoo said that "people who say rap/hip hop only talks about [gangs/drugs] etc etc"
Are you saying I'm part of "these people"?
Gotta love Sick Symphoniez :D
People with good taste in music don't try to define a genre with sweeping generalizations. How does that fit?
On November 24 2008 06:16 SpiralArchitect wrote: Jesus Christ how can anyone even think that Korean Hip Hop is remotely close to the level of Hip Hop in the United States. Soulja Boy and Little Wayne are a thousand times better than any Korean Hip Hop I have ever heard, and I hate both of them. Despite my hatred for them they utilize the current popular styles of Hip Hop to A) Make them money and B) Make chicks ass' shake. Besides that the music is what Hip Hop is right now.
I am a big Hip Hop fan and I have probably listened to alot more than most of the people here at TL.net. I see alot of you using the same old stereotypes like "Rappers only rap about chicks, cars and drugs". Thats just fucking retarded, thats like saying pop songs shouldn't be about love or girls/boys. Sex, Drugs and Cars is what speaks to alot of the people that Hip Hop is meant to, and despite everyone thinking that makes Hip Hop shallow it doesn't. It is the median of the genre not the definition of it, its where the fans that dont pay attention are.
I cant believe anyone would even try to argue that Korean Hip Hop is better than American Hip Hop. The difference between Korea and America in this case is bigger than the skill gap between Best and Nony.... no im not joking either. Hip Hop was created here and there will never be anyone who can surpass the rappers who lived here or are living right now. Tupac. Biggie. Dr. Dre. Ice Cube. MC Ren. Tha Alkaholiks. Hiero. De La Soul. Need I continue?
With that being said two of my favorite artists right now are Japanese, Nujabes and Tsutchie. Just because America is the king of Hip Hop doesnt mean that rap from other countries isnt good, it just means that you are learning from us :D I enjoyed the first track in the OP thought he other ones didnt really speak to me that much.
wtf soulja boy and lil wayne eats shit compared to other rappers and hip hop from around the world. now im not saying korea is better but using lil wayne and soulja boy as an example of "1000xs better" is disrespectful to anyone
I dont like Soulja Boy really, but Lil Wayne is probably one of the best producers right now. His songs arent the best but his beats are fucking awesome and he does what the public wants well. If you havent heard some of Lil Waynes mix tapes then you cant really judge him because he does shit for the radio and then he does shit for his mix tapes. Im not a huge Lil Wayne fan but I would rather listen to him than anything in the OP of this thread.
I dont like Soulja Boy really, but Lil Wayne is probably one of the best producers right now. His songs arent the best but his beats are fucking awesome and he does what the public wants well. If you havent heard some of Lil Waynes mix tapes then you cant really judge him because he does shit for the radio and then he does shit for his mix tapes. Im not a huge Lil Wayne fan but I would rather listen to him than anything in the OP of this thread.
Lil Wayne doesn't produce any of the beats. Not one.
I dont like Soulja Boy really, but Lil Wayne is probably one of the best producers right now. His songs arent the best but his beats are fucking awesome and he does what the public wants well. If you havent heard some of Lil Waynes mix tapes then you cant really judge him because he does shit for the radio and then he does shit for his mix tapes. Im not a huge Lil Wayne fan but I would rather listen to him than anything in the OP of this thread.
Lil Wayne doesn't produce any of the beats. Not one.
My mistake. Like I said I am not huge Lil Wayne fan but as far as I know he collaborated on quite a few of his mix tapes. Either way Id still rather listen to him than anything in the op.
Dynamic Duo - Gone their mv's are known for their hilarity and randomness but their rap is great
Double K - Nu school just cause i cant find his video/song for 너가 날 떠나면 안되는이유_(feat_정표)
and epik high has been continually getting worse since their album that had 'fly' in it im so disappointed by them lately that i dont even bother downloading or listening to their newest songs
On November 24 2008 06:53 clazziquai wrote: Korean hip hop you ever heard? you judge hip hop on how it sounds? not the meaning?
can you even understand Korean? lol you're one to talk
Of course I judge Hip Hop on how it sounds when I cant understand the language... How else would I judge it?
Fail.
I am so fucking confused here. Do you and Clazzi expect me to learn every foreign language I listen to hip hop in? All I can go off of when I cant understand the language is vocal flow and the beat. I am not going to learn Swedish, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish or any other damn foreign language just so I can understand one song...
No, but you're just one of those people who listens to music PURELY for the musical perspective, and there's a whole set of other people who really like lyrics. I myself am kind of in the middle.
For some people, shit lyrics = shit song. I agree with that.
Its true that I listen to music which is in a language I dont understand purely from a musical perspective, I fail to see how I can look at it any other way besides learning the language or looking up the lyrics to every song and memorizing them.
On November 24 2008 06:53 clazziquai wrote: Korean hip hop you ever heard? you judge hip hop on how it sounds? not the meaning?
can you even understand Korean? lol you're one to talk
Of course I judge Hip Hop on how it sounds when I cant understand the language... How else would I judge it?
Fail.
I am so fucking confused here. Do you and Clazzi expect me to learn every foreign language I listen to hip hop in? All I can go off of when I cant understand the language is vocal flow and the beat. I am not going to learn Swedish, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish or any other damn foreign language just so I can understand one song...
You can also try to read books written in a language you don't understand...
Or maybe try to not make stupid comments or at least read a translation of the lyrics before saying it is garbage because rap is a lot about lyrics. You were quite rude. " I dont understand what they are saying but it is bad LOLZ "
Learn language, find and read an English translation or don't make this kind of comment. Rap isn't all bout the flow or the beat.
On November 24 2008 06:53 clazziquai wrote: Korean hip hop you ever heard? you judge hip hop on how it sounds? not the meaning can you even understand Korean? lol you're one to talk
Of course I judge Hip Hop on how it sounds when I cant understand the language... How else would I judge it?
Fail.
I am so fucking confused here. Do you and Clazzi expect me to learn every foreign language I listen to hip hop in? All I can go off of when I cant understand the language is vocal flow and the beat. I am not going to learn Swedish, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish or any other damn foreign language just so I can understand one song...
You can also try to read books written in a language you don't understand...
Or maybe try to not make stupid comments or at least read a translation of the lyrics before saying it is garbage because rap is a lot about lyrics. You were quite rude. " I dont understand what they are saying but it is bad LOLZ "
Learn language, find and read an English translation or don't make this kind of comment. Rap isn't all bout the flow or the beat.
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Thats not what I said at all. I never even said the music was crap because of the language... I said I did not like it, thats my opinion. There is very little music I would call crap, without a doubt Bon Jovi is one of those but I didnt ever say this music was crap. In fact I said I liked the first track...
What I said was I am not going to learn a bunch of languages in order to understand music which I already enjoy just fine. I see no problem in liking the style and rap of a person who I cannot understand at all. I listen to music in quite a few languages and enjoy it without knowing what they are saying. You didnt even quote my original post >.< Did you read it?
Your an idiot. So I can't enjoy opera in Italian? I cant enjoy a Beatles song sung in french? I am sorry but what the hell dude music is about sound yes the content of the lyrics is important but lyrics are just poetry without music.
On November 24 2008 13:25 SpiralArchitect wrote: Your an idiot. So I can't enjoy opera in Italian? I cant enjoy a Beatles song sung in french? I am sorry but what the hell dude music is about sound yes the content of the lyrics is important but lyrics are just poetry without music.
Rap is mostly about lyrics... it isn't rock or electro. It is like saying that a book or a film is bad just because you can't understand. Thank you for calling me an idiot.
I would never listen rap if i couldnt understand the meaning of the lyrics.
On November 24 2008 13:25 SpiralArchitect wrote: Your an idiot. So I can't enjoy opera in Italian? I cant enjoy a Beatles song sung in french? I am sorry but what the hell dude music is about sound yes the content of the lyrics is important but lyrics are just poetry without music.
Rap is mostly about lyrics... it isn't rock or electro. It is like saying that a book or a film is bad just because you can't understand. Thank you for calling me an idiot.
I would never listen rap if i couldnt understand the meaning of the lyrics.
Then you have no appreciation for a good beat... Why would you listen to rap if you dont enjoy a good beat? Rap isnt about lyrics. That may be your opinion but you should really look into where rap came from and what its about. One is no good without the other in the world of Hip Hop and you cant have lyrics without a beat and have it be a good song. Likewise you cant have a good beat and no lyrics and have it be a full song. Though I do enjoy instrumental hip hop.
Your welcome, thanks for saying the same about me :D
What makes a good rap song is not only good instrumentals, but good lyrics.
Good beats don't mean shit when you're blabbing shit about bitches, cars, hoes. Rap is truly at its finest when the lyrics actually mean something, and it also has good beats...
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