On November 23 2008 16:04 NoobsOfWrath wrote: Korean hiphop is generally better than English hiphop for me due to the heavy use of strings and piano and generally lyrics that are deeper than pimping and killing rival gang members
Kflow is my favorite korean group, along with MC Sniper, Epik High, and CB Mass
I like American hiphop better cause it's not like Korean hiphop, full of random asians trying to be gangster and rapping about kimchi or some shit.
Lol shallow generalizations.
rofl. American rap is fucking horrible. Soulja Boy? Young Jeezy? Young Joc? go fuck themselves.
Unless we're talking about the underground scene, with Celph Titled, AOTP, Move.meant, Lowkey, etc etc etc
lol korean rap is arite but then again all rap always talks about similar shit anyways american rap tends to talk about sex girls drugs politics thats just the way it is i dont know what koreans talk about cause i dont understand it but that guy saying its about kimchi...ROFL first of all hes ignorant and second...no one raps about food =D! i notice a lot of asian bands rappers though do rap about love and girls leaving them, getting a girl, something about loving which gets old.
soulja boy, jeezy, joc, wayne, bird, blah they all suck but im pretty sure there are a hand of bad famous rappers everywhere
On November 24 2008 05:24 OhThatDang wrote: lol korean rap is arite but then again all rap always talks about similar shit anyways american rap tends to talk about sex girls drugs politics thats just the way it is i dont know what koreans talk about cause i dont understand it but that guy saying its about kimchi...ROFL first of all hes ignorant and second...no one raps about food =D! i notice a lot of asian bands rappers though do rap about love and girls leaving them, getting a girl, something about loving which gets old.
soulja boy, jeezy, joc, wayne, bird, blah they all suck but im pretty sure there are a hand of bad famous rappers everywhere
Don't be so quick to make generalizations about hip-hop, it's a very eclectic and creative genre. People who say Rap/Hip Hop only talks about [gangs/drugs/girls etc] are as annoying as people who say metal is just people screaming. That is not to say there aren't good songs that explore these topics...
Regardless, I liked a lot of the Korean Hip-Hop in this thread, I just wish I could understand more lyrics than I did.
Don't be so quick to make generalizations about hip-hop, it's a very eclectic and creative genre. People who say Rap/Hip Hop only talks about [gangs/drugs/girls etc] are as annoying as people who say metal is just people screaming. That is not to say there aren't good songs that explore these topics...
Regardless, I liked a lot of the Korean Hip-Hop in this thread, I just wish I could understand more lyrics than I did.
wait what?
I listen to hip hop. I know what's good and what's bad. I said good rap doesn't talk about sex, girls, or drugs (not like the main concept). I'm confused. I thought the quote you quoted about me says "good rap doesn't talk about sex/drugs/girls" o_o and yoo said that "people who say rap/hip hop only talks about [gangs/drugs] etc etc"
I don't see the need for the big fight here; American rap is also pretty great. I forgot who created the blog, but he introduced me to CunninLynguists and Cyne and Brother Ali and what not. Since then, I haven't stopped listening to them. I also think they are really good, just thought I'd post some random korean songs that I do think are also worth a gander =D
Basically, mainstream rap is not that good..
epik high got better recently, but I still dont like them as much. PS: Yeah, Garion and Primary Skool are sooooooo good. Meta and 나찰 = awesome =D some more songs I though people'd enjoy
동전한닢 Remix ft frigging 31 MCs. Some of the greatest are in this song; Garion, E-Sens, Simon Dominic, Palo Alto, Quiett, FANA (or hwana whatever you prefer xD), IGNITO Great song~
배치기 - Unfade from a couple of years back, this was one of those mainstream songs that I do think is good ;D It's basically a ballad and rap combined together, and i really like the melody.
Outsider - 연인과의 거리 korea's fastest rapper. this is his first song that i listened to, and i immediately downloaded all his songs. very good overall!
I'm simply saying that many people pigeon hole hip-hop, and that you shouldn't suggest that no good rap speaks of girls/gangs/drugs. Moreover, I didn't post it for your benefit, as you seem to have fine taste if I may judge.
Jesus Christ how can anyone even think that Korean Hip Hop is remotely close to the level of Hip Hop in the United States. Soulja Boy and Little Wayne are a thousand times better than any Korean Hip Hop I have ever heard, and I hate both of them. Despite my hatred for them they utilize the current popular styles of Hip Hop to A) Make them money and B) Make chicks ass' shake. Besides that the music is what Hip Hop is right now.
I am a big Hip Hop fan and I have probably listened to alot more than most of the people here at TL.net. I see alot of you using the same old stereotypes like "Rappers only rap about chicks, cars and drugs". Thats just fucking retarded, thats like saying pop songs shouldn't be about love or girls/boys. Sex, Drugs and Cars is what speaks to alot of the people that Hip Hop is meant to, and despite everyone thinking that makes Hip Hop shallow it doesn't. It is the median of the genre not the definition of it, its where the fans that dont pay attention are.
I cant believe anyone would even try to argue that Korean Hip Hop is better than American Hip Hop. The difference between Korea and America in this case is bigger than the skill gap between Best and Nony.... no im not joking either. Hip Hop was created here and there will never be anyone who can surpass the rappers who lived here or are living right now. Tupac. Biggie. Dr. Dre. Ice Cube. MC Ren. Tha Alkaholiks. Hiero. De La Soul. Need I continue?
With that being said two of my favorite artists right now are Japanese, Nujabes and Tsutchie. Just because America is the king of Hip Hop doesnt mean that rap from other countries isnt good, it just means that you are learning from us :D I enjoyed the first track in the OP thought he other ones didnt really speak to me that much.
Firstly, I agree with your entire post as a whole. However:
Soulja Boy and Little Wayne are not hip-hop, and their music is garbage. They are pop singers.
Also, where do you find/ do you listen to new hip hop?, because aside from Soulja boy, Wayne, and possibly the 2 Japanese artists, all those acts are at least fifteen years old.
there are plenty of good korean rappers out there, just not enough attention paloalto the quiett loptomist plastik mic e-sens simon dominic the list goes on~
Who can decide what is better? I just listen to whatever I think is good, even if it's commercial music that is generally considered to be shit just cause a lot of other people listen to it.
I just find these music discussions pretty funny, aren't you supposed to listen to music because you enjoy it? Why do you then have to argue about which one is better, does it make your music sound more awesome if you get that other guy to change his mind? He obviously won't change his mind since taste is a thing that goes deeper than two pages of discussion in a thread.
Why I like korean hip-hop is because the underground scene has an awesome old-school sound and the language works great for rapping imo. My only gripe with is is that I can't understand the lyrics and as such I lose one pretty important factor from the songs.
On November 24 2008 06:58 keit wrote: Who can decide what is better? I just listen to whatever I think is good, even if it's commercial music that is generally considered to be shit just cause a lot of other people listen to it.
I just find these music discussions pretty funny, aren't you supposed to listen to music because you enjoy it? Why do you then have to argue about which one is better, does it make your music sound more awesome if you get that other guy to change his mind? He obviously won't change his mind since taste is a thing that goes deeper than two pages of discussion in a thread.
Why I like korean hip-hop is because the underground scene has an awesome old-school sound and the language works great for rapping imo. My only gripe with is is that I can't understand the lyrics and as such I lose one pretty important factor from the songs.
I suppose that if you think there is nothing artistic about music than an argument in quality does sound pretty funny...
But forgetting all other genre's, hip-hop forgoes singing for lyricism, and thus I treat it as poetry foremost. I can't understand how people can listen to rappers that sound like they have but a second grade education.
Instrumentals don't exactly take the backseat however. As hip-hop's musical quality stems from the artists voice and flow, as well as the beat itself, these variables separate the best from the mediocre.
On November 24 2008 06:16 SpiralArchitect wrote: Jesus Christ how can anyone even think that Korean Hip Hop is remotely close to the level of Hip Hop in the United States. Soulja Boy and Little Wayne are a thousand times better than any Korean Hip Hop I have ever heard, and I hate both of them. Despite my hatred for them they utilize the current popular styles of Hip Hop to A) Make them money and B) Make chicks ass' shake. Besides that the music is what Hip Hop is right now.
I am a big Hip Hop fan and I have probably listened to alot more than most of the people here at TL.net. I see alot of you using the same old stereotypes like "Rappers only rap about chicks, cars and drugs". Thats just fucking retarded, thats like saying pop songs shouldn't be about love or girls/boys. Sex, Drugs and Cars is what speaks to alot of the people that Hip Hop is meant to, and despite everyone thinking that makes Hip Hop shallow it doesn't. It is the median of the genre not the definition of it, its where the fans that dont pay attention are.
I cant believe anyone would even try to argue that Korean Hip Hop is better than American Hip Hop. The difference between Korea and America in this case is bigger than the skill gap between Best and Nony.... no im not joking either. Hip Hop was created here and there will never be anyone who can surpass the rappers who lived here or are living right now. Tupac. Biggie. Dr. Dre. Ice Cube. MC Ren. Tha Alkaholiks. Hiero. De La Soul. Need I continue?
With that being said two of my favorite artists right now are Japanese, Nujabes and Tsutchie. Just because America is the king of Hip Hop doesnt mean that rap from other countries isnt good, it just means that you are learning from us :D I enjoyed the first track in the OP thought he other ones didnt really speak to me that much.
wtf soulja boy and lil wayne eats shit compared to other rappers and hip hop from around the world. now im not saying korea is better but using lil wayne and soulja boy as an example of "1000xs better" is disrespectful to anyone
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