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Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-17 17:50:01
November 06 2008 21:08 GMT
#1
..so yeah. Anyways, one of my sites on my StarCraft network is currently in a "beta", or public testing, phase.

The site is: http://vgcache.com

The purpose of it is to provide a fast, basic, and easy place for SC players to upload and share anything from maps, replays, images, files, and links. So far the site has all the basics working, but I am open to suggestions and ideas to improve it.

Update 11/17/2008: Made some graphical overhauls to make it more pleasing on the eye.

# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 06 2008 21:22 GMT
#2
That's a really neat idea, but just wondering how you'll make it exclusive to SC players?
No I'm never serious.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
November 06 2008 21:23 GMT
#3
yeah how about letting us upload movies, music, games, windows vista, various tools, anything we want that would be cool
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-06 21:32:43
November 06 2008 21:29 GMT
#4
Ok some constructive critisim...

1. Advertise banners should not be central thing in any website that doesn't revolve around spam/advertising. Different/more subtle placement/removal of ads is recommended.

2. The design is pretty much non existant, i see a gray background with a bunch of boxes with text in them, you need to..

A) ORGANIZE the design the menu should never be hidden away in some corner, it should be easy to see, easy to access. Think about what you want to promote with your website - put it in the center of attention and not some random colorful ad-banners that completely destroys the first impresson of a possibly great website contentwise.

B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired. Design every single element of the website with the thought that it should look like it belongs together and makes sense to the visitor, which it does not atm.

C) Use contrasts way more, to be honest, using different kinds of grays against eachother is the perfect recipe for a depressive and boring looking website, i can't stand looking at it atleast.
Use stronger contrats such as white vs blue, black vs blue, black vs green/turtquouse(spelling) etc. Anything really, it can do magic to any website when you have the right color combination - and remember, these colors that choose(if you choose) should run through the entire websites design, from links, text, menu etc.

D) Overall the website needs more depth embedded in the design to not make the visitor bored, using BG-gradient for certaint buttons, shadow on the banners text.. small things such as these really do wonders.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
November 06 2008 21:34 GMT
#5
On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:
B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired.


looks up at the top of the page...
I feel like pwning noobs
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 06 2008 21:36 GMT
#6
I think that you're going to get a lot of random stuff uploaded, and you're not going to have space to host all of it. Just a suggestion as to how to fix that:

only allow .rep, .jpeg, or .scx files to be uploaded. All that will leave you with is dealing image spam and stuff.

I guess the nice thing about hosting sc stuff is that you don't need 100% uptime, although it would be nice. You can probably get away with like 90-80% uptime.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
November 06 2008 21:39 GMT
#7
On November 07 2008 06:34 liger13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:
B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired.


looks up at the top of the page...


What do you mean? Vilegaming? What does that have do with anything?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 06 2008 21:42 GMT
#8
On November 07 2008 06:22 Nytefish wrote:
That's a really neat idea, but just wondering how you'll make it exclusive to SC players?

It isn't coded yet, nor final decision, but I was thinking at least having minimal "captcha"-esque security. Such as, when uploading something it would ask you a simple SC related question like..
"What hotkey is used for training a Marine?"
"What race does the Zealot belong to?"
"Can a Zergling attack air units?"

Nothing too hard, but at the same time requires at least minimal knowledge of SC.

On November 07 2008 06:23 hugitout wrote:
yeah how about letting us upload movies, music, games, windows vista, various tools, anything we want that would be cool

If only my VPS was hosted in a country where piracy was not illegal.

# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 06 2008 21:45 GMT
#9
On November 07 2008 06:42 Spartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:22 Nytefish wrote:
That's a really neat idea, but just wondering how you'll make it exclusive to SC players?

It isn't coded yet, nor final decision, but I was thinking at least having minimal "captcha"-esque security. Such as, when uploading something it would ask you a simple SC related question like..
"What hotkey is used for training a Marine?"
"What race does the Zealot belong to?"
"Can a Zergling attack air units?"

Nothing too hard, but at the same time requires at least minimal knowledge of SC.

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:23 hugitout wrote:
yeah how about letting us upload movies, music, games, windows vista, various tools, anything we want that would be cool

If only my VPS was hosted in a country where piracy was not illegal.



thats a good idea

but have so you have to write the answer self, so that you cant guess and get right answer
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-06 21:52:51
November 06 2008 21:45 GMT
#10
On November 07 2008 06:39 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:34 liger13 wrote:
On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:
B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired.


looks up at the top of the page...


What do you mean? Vilegaming? What does that have do with anything?

I think he is talking about our herd of snowhorses.

(GET HIM!)
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
November 06 2008 21:56 GMT
#11
lol
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
November 06 2008 21:56 GMT
#12
It looks very unstructured and has an information overload. Don't like this design.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 06 2008 21:59 GMT
#13

On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:1. Advertise banners should not be central thing in any website that doesn't revolve around spam/advertising. Different/more subtle placement/removal of ads is recommended.

Yea, I realize that. However, how is a site supposed to stay up and running without some source of income.

Agreed. As of this since reading your post I have removed the top advertisement (the 728x90 banner) on the index page so as to now bombard any new user upon first visiting the site. The ad unit will still be visible on any other page of the site though.

On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:2. The design is pretty much non existant, i see a gray background with a bunch of boxes with text in them, you need to..

I have to disagree with you on this one. The design is simple, fast, and clean; as is the focus.

On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:A) ORGANIZE the design the menu should never be hidden away in some corner, it should be easy to see, easy to access. Think about what you want to promote with your website - put it in the center of attention and not some random colorful ad-banners that completely destroys the first impresson of a possibly great website contentwise.

Half-agree/disagree here. The navigational menu is pretty easy, and from my first pool of testers a while ago they all found it right away and reported that it was simple to get the hang of. I do want to add some kind of background to help focus on it. Something subtle like a texture pattern under the menu that fades out as it goes away from the corner.

On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired. Design every single element of the website with the thought that it should look like it belongs together and makes sense to the visitor, which it does not atm.

C) Use contrasts way more, to be honest, using different kinds of grays against eachother is the perfect recipe for a depressive and boring looking website, i can't stand looking at it atleast.
Use stronger contrats such as white vs blue, black vs blue, black vs green/turtquouse(spelling) etc. Anything really, it can do magic to any website when you have the right color combination - and remember, these colors that choose(if you choose) should run through the entire websites design, from links, text, menu etc.

D) Overall the website needs more depth embedded in the design to not make the visitor bored, using BG-gradient for certaint buttons, shadow on the banners text.. small things such as these really do wonders.

Agree. As I stated before, this is still a beta. While I do plan on keeping the same basic design I want to add a few minor graphical details to help it "stick". I have an artist drawing something up for the background of the top left corner and bottom of the site. I have some ideas for other small additions, too. I'll amend them later today.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 06 2008 22:07 GMT
#14
On November 07 2008 06:36 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
I think that you're going to get a lot of random stuff uploaded, and you're not going to have space to host all of it. Just a suggestion as to how to fix that:

only allow .rep, .jpeg, or .scx files to be uploaded. All that will leave you with is dealing image spam and stuff.

I guess the nice thing about hosting sc stuff is that you don't need 100% uptime, although it would be nice. You can probably get away with like 90-80% uptime.

I mentioned above my solution for random stuff being uploaded, in the form of the SC security questions.

As for uptime, I have my own server that I host several sites on and everything has been running fine for the past year with the traffic I get.

The file formats you mentioned are already restricted to each upload form.

On "spam", one of the ideas I had planned from the start, but isn't coded yet, is a self-purging system that deletes uploads that have fall below certain restrictions. For example, for maps..
Types supported: .scm, .scx
Size limit: 3mb
Lifespan: 1 month

Double-life: X hits or X downloads
Triple-life: X hits or X downloads
Stable-life: X hits or X downloads

To explain the above information, only maps with the .scm or .scx ending will be allowed for uploading. The max size of a map is 3mb. At the end of a month the map will be deleted. However, there are double/triple/stable life markers, if you will. Say a map reaches X hits and/or X downloads before a month is up then that map will get it's current lifespan doubled. Meaning it will be hosted for an extra month (a total of 2 since being uploaded). If during that extra month the map reaches the next X hits or X downloads it will get it's current lifespan tripled (current was 2 months since, triple that, 4 months extra, 6 months total).
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 06 2008 22:08 GMT
#15
On November 07 2008 06:45 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:42 Spartan wrote:
On November 07 2008 06:22 Nytefish wrote:
That's a really neat idea, but just wondering how you'll make it exclusive to SC players?

It isn't coded yet, nor final decision, but I was thinking at least having minimal "captcha"-esque security. Such as, when uploading something it would ask you a simple SC related question like..
"What hotkey is used for training a Marine?"
"What race does the Zealot belong to?"
"Can a Zergling attack air units?"

Nothing too hard, but at the same time requires at least minimal knowledge of SC.

On November 07 2008 06:23 hugitout wrote:
yeah how about letting us upload movies, music, games, windows vista, various tools, anything we want that would be cool

If only my VPS was hosted in a country where piracy was not illegal.



thats a good idea

but have so you have to write the answer self, so that you cant guess and get right answer

Of course.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
November 06 2008 22:18 GMT
#16
On November 07 2008 06:39 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 06:34 liger13 wrote:
On November 07 2008 06:29 Senx wrote:
B) Work on your banner and make that more obvious and starcraft-inspired.


looks up at the top of the page...


What do you mean? Vilegaming? What does that have do with anything?

hes talking about LOTR!!!!!!1111
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 17 2008 17:42 GMT
#17
Okay, made some graphical changes. It does look much more pleasing.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
November 17 2008 18:45 GMT
#18
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://vgcache.com/&charset=(detect automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 17 2008 18:54 GMT
#19
On November 18 2008 03:45 FreeZEternal wrote:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://vgcache.com/&charset=(detect automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0

What is your point? I never claimed for it to be 100% W3 valid. Besides the idea of coding to 100% validity is bullshit and no one even follows it. It is just another stupid "web standard". Digg, Microsoft, Yahoo, TL, and any other major site do not even have 100% validity.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
December 06 2008 03:56 GMT
#20
Redid almost all of the graphics so they're easier on the eyes.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
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