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Savior's ZvT: A Statistical Analysis

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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-04 01:02:43
September 04 2008 00:39 GMT
#1
Savior's ZvT: A Statistical Analysis

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edit: I'm blatantly ripping off of this site:

http://indexed.blogspot.com/

might do many more in the future

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 04 2008 00:40 GMT
#2
lol

sadly so true
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 04 2008 00:41 GMT
#3
Guh, he's been told by everyone including progamer strategist Xeofreestyler and wont listen.
Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
September 04 2008 00:42 GMT
#4
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
September 04 2008 00:43 GMT
#5
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.


then that one is retarded.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 04 2008 00:44 GMT
#6
On September 04 2008 09:43 Nitrogen23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.


then that one is retarded.

Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
September 04 2008 00:45 GMT
#7
On September 04 2008 09:43 Nitrogen23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.


then that one is retarded.


ROFL~
this is my quote.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
September 04 2008 00:50 GMT
#8
yeah i don't want to be mean but come on
nezera
Profile Joined March 2008
Indonesia176 Posts
September 04 2008 01:11 GMT
#9
LOL
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 04 2008 01:49 GMT
#10
On September 04 2008 09:41 Kennigit wrote:
Guh, he's been told by everyone including progamer strategist Xeofreestyler and wont listen.


actually if you look at a lot of his recent games hes being going really heavily lair tech in a lot of them
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DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 04 2008 01:49 GMT
#11
Ha nice. 5/5
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
September 04 2008 01:56 GMT
#12
Seems Demetri Martin-ish
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 04 2008 02:06 GMT
#13
On September 04 2008 09:44 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 09:43 Nitrogen23 wrote:
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.


then that one is retarded.


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Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
September 04 2008 02:13 GMT
#14
On September 04 2008 09:41 Kennigit wrote:
Guh, he's been told by everyone including progamer strategist Xeofreestyler and wont listen.

LOL, so true! Can confirm!
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LinkinPork
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada223 Posts
September 04 2008 02:19 GMT
#15
That graph makes me depressed.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
September 04 2008 02:32 GMT
#16
It doesn't fix his ZvZ or his ZvP. Maybe he'll train Idra in the ways of TvZ.
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Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
September 04 2008 02:51 GMT
#17
rofl at pic. I love it.
5/5
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 03:58 GMT
#18
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.



I agree, it would be easy for a creative mind to interpret the graph this way.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
September 04 2008 04:01 GMT
#19
rofl so true. I like analysis like this.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
September 04 2008 04:12 GMT
#20
On September 04 2008 12:58 travis wrote:
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On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.



I agree, it would be easy for a creative mind to interpret the graph this way.

rofl if by "creative mind" you mean "someone who never went to college" then yes, sure
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Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
September 04 2008 04:44 GMT
#21
On September 04 2008 13:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 12:58 travis wrote:
On September 04 2008 09:42 Insane Lane wrote:
One might read this graph wrong and think the faster his hive is, the higher his win percentage.



I agree, it would be easy for a creative mind to interpret the graph this way.

rofl if by "creative mind" you mean "someone who never went to college" then yes, sure


I never went to college and I got the graph fuck off you ;P
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
September 04 2008 04:47 GMT
#22
Hmm it looks like his ability becomes discontinious at 0. So if he never makes a hive, his win percentage is infinite (not 1, INFINITE).
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
September 04 2008 04:49 GMT
#23
So he is not only assured a win, he also automatically wins in every other dimension.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 04 2008 04:49 GMT
#24
hahaha
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
September 04 2008 07:05 GMT
#25
That blog has some hilarious figures. I really like:
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Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
September 04 2008 08:10 GMT
#26
I'm in year 10 and I understood the graph, so yeah. fuck you

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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 04 2008 11:23 GMT
#27
Haha nice graph ^^
I'm not sure I agree with it though. I think most would agree that his zvt was at its skill peak in his OSL finals against NaDa and around that time he generally went for the fast hive. Albeit perhaps not the super fast nest before lurker aspect that is tried from time to time nowadays.
Savior's zvt started slumping around the time that terrans (fbh) figured out that the way to beat a camping zerg is to simply camp yourself and beat the hive tech rush with a legion of vessels and tanks. (FBH vs savior at desparado is a decent example) .

However I don't think it's possible to revert back to the style savior played as IPX. Terrans nowadays simply are too good and have too good build orders. The game most people think of when dreaming of saviors old lair style is the one versus oov at RoV. But do anyone remeber the build oov used in that game?. It was an 8 rax bunker rush that hardly did any damage at ALL versus a 12 hatch. He then teched firebats and medics before finally claiming his nat. The game was still close... A real build order would probably have raped savior. Hard.
If you look at for example the recent luxury-flash at andromeda it becomes painfully obvious what OUGHT to happen when the terran completly and utterly fails at a bunker rush. And flash grabbed his nat way earlier than oov did in that match.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
September 04 2008 13:36 GMT
#28
That's the whole point. He's been teching hive without a midgame flank. His old style was killing the terran's first push with a flank or mutaling or countering or whatever and kill the second push with swarm. But now he actually tries to get hive before the first push or at a weird timing like halfway between first and second push. I mean I understand why, because his swarm and plague and hive usage is a strength, but it's way too much of a sacrifice to try to get it that early.
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triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
September 04 2008 13:44 GMT
#29
Yeah, what's with fast hive?

Like when Luxury kept going for stupid ultralisk rushes that NEVER WORKED.
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blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
September 04 2008 15:39 GMT
#30
Are you guys serious? I've never seen a graph with the x axis measured in inverse seconds before.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
September 04 2008 23:13 GMT
#31
Given how he didn't provide units, it should be a graph showing the general relationship, the actual unit and progression of the x axis doesn't particularly matter there imo.
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