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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
August 28 2008 15:14 GMT
#21
On August 28 2008 22:32 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2008 21:14 Boonbag wrote:
Your text was nice and stuff, but there's one thing you forget or don't apprehend enough about pro gamers irl, is that a very large chunk of them are carved in with (foolish?) humility.

It's nothing casual really... like, the dude gets beaten, even badly, while hes on top of his game : Most of the time he wont go like "omfg, I wanna die" or "How the fuck could i lose to that nub", but more "wow me very humble cho bo / he cho gosu starcraft virtual deity" and then, like a mindless bot, eventho sad, will just go back team HQ and grind practice even more.

Hum, i disagree. Although Koreans have the built in humility on the surface I can virtually guarantee that they still get knocked on their ass at least once in their career. I mean, say Savior after he lost to Bisu, you could see that he took that pretty hard. And likewise with other gamers. Humility on the surface is one thing, but if you delve deeper there is always going to be the anger at oneself especially if you put it all on the line and failed due to a simple mistake (e.g Stork)


I think you underestimate what 8 hours of daily starcraft for 10 years in a half starved state does to your brain.

I saw amazing players on the same level than other amazing players there, getting owned and saying right after with a smile "I lost because he is so good and im so bad".

However, I didn't state none of them was cocky or not on the mindless humble psy. And what you said in this entry clearly applies more to champions than regular runner ups or poolists.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-28 15:32:50
August 28 2008 15:32 GMT
#22
yea it's quite different if you keep getting knocked down when you're still on the rise, anyone who gets frustrated at those kind of situations simply won't last long enough to make an impression. Thats one thing the koreans have over us their innate respect for elders makes losing easier! But obviously when you do reach the upper echelon and there are real prizes up for grabs and knowing that your career could be over tomorrow, or in a months time, i would imagine fucking up can really get to you.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Zortch
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada635 Posts
August 28 2008 15:45 GMT
#23
Gotta hate those tough tests.
I'm in math too and find that when I think I did badly, almost everyone else did worse and it all works out. Keep your chin up and think relatively to everyone else who wrote it ^^
Respect is everything. ~ARchon
Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
August 28 2008 17:12 GMT
#24
On August 28 2008 18:49 Plexa wrote:
Or when Backho, bless his little soul, ran over Jaedong's foot with his tricycle.

Made me lol.

Really interesting writeup.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
August 28 2008 18:01 GMT
#25
Hey Plexa how hard is it studying/majoring math? I didn't catch at what level you're at; uni? I'm thinking of pursuing either math or theoretical physics, but tbh pure math scares me. I like the subject immensely and am good at it, though I'm kinda afraid I won't "get it" once I reach a higher level, since it seems to be so extremely demanding @ uni.

Help pls, through a well thought out RL->Starcraft metaphor if possible .
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
August 28 2008 19:18 GMT
#26
Man I know just that feeling. You get out from a test and one of your friends goes:
Man number 7 was tough, I hope everyone figured out it really was the simple answer and didn't try to calculate further (or something of the sorts).
And you go:....*You have died. Your deeds of valor will be remembered*

Worse still is when apparently everyone got the trick question, it was totally obvious and so on. Thats getting knocked on your ass.

LaLush where are you studying? I'm thinking about going into physics, possibly Theoretical, at Uppsala university (where i'm currently studying). The Theoretical physics department at UU is extremely famous and prestigious (in comparison with other departments on UU). Seems like a awesome place to study.
"If I think, everything is lost"
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 02:28:53
August 29 2008 02:25 GMT
#27
On August 29 2008 03:01 LaLuSh wrote:
Hey Plexa how hard is it studying/majoring math? I didn't catch at what level you're at; uni? I'm thinking of pursuing either math or theoretical physics, but tbh pure math scares me. I like the subject immensely and am good at it, though I'm kinda afraid I won't "get it" once I reach a higher level, since it seems to be so extremely demanding @ uni.

Help pls, through a well thought out RL->Starcraft metaphor if possible .
I'm technically first year university - but practically im 2nd year maths. Math is something which you either get immediately and is ridiculously easy, or is something you kinda get and you can push into the 90's with a bit of work or something you flat out just don't get. tbh so far math has been really easy for me, although my principles of mathematics paper is starting to scare me =/. I don't know what level your at but (at least in NZ) theres quite a bit of freedom before you actually need to commit and thus you'll be able to experience both before you have to stick to your decision.

PM me if you have any more questions

btw, the metaphor was in no way planned out per say. It was a spur of the moment write down how i feel thing haha
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Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
August 29 2008 05:04 GMT
#28
Man, this always happens to me. Multiple choice, if I ever think it may be another answer and:

A. Don't change it, it was the other answer.
B. Change it, it was the original answer.

I have also changed my long answer MATH exam questions and realized (after handing it in) that my original answer was wrong. Life kind of sucks like that. But of course to the rest of the world, in the end it doesn't matter, but it may always matter to you. And that's just how it is. You expected more but it didn't happen. Oh wells. Just worker harder for that next time!
Soli Deo gloria.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 29 2008 19:58 GMT
#29
Plex, you gotta learn to centre your qi

Whenever I'm about to take an exam, I listen to Eye of the Tiger on the way to the test, and then look at fine art or out the window to whatever nature I can see to feel good and confident.

It's good to have high standards for yourself, especially in math where your grade really is your grade. But if you find yourself thinking this way in other aspects of life, which are more subjective, I hope you can feel more relaxed about it, because sometimes it doesn't matter how good you are, your grade will be based mostly on the grader. I find that I'm an incredibly consistent person. My teachers will always give me the same grade, to the point that it's eerie and they comment on it as well. 74% on every essay one teacher gives me, while I get an A on every essay of approximately the same quality that I hand into a professor. It doesn't bother me, because I know there's nothing I can do about it after I've worked as hard as I wanted to. The same goes with people... On internet forums people tend to think I'm either a dick if they don't like me, or very passionate if they do. There's not really much I can do about that when I don't think I've done anything wrong. Even in person with friendships, I'm always passionate about my friends, and if things go sour I don't blame it on myself. Half of everything is luck. The other half is fate.

PS: The progamer I think I'm most like... BoxeR, if I may flatter myself I think he's a creative and passionate person who gives it all to the one dream he has, and I can relate to that. I'm taking risks now so that I can pursue the only career I can imagine myself being happy doing, and I think that BoxeR did the same thing when he got obsessive about StarCraft before it became a stable career possibility, and it luckily paid off. Very do or die attitude.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 30 2008 01:42 GMT
#30
hey plexa you're awesome but your post was more retrospection than introspection
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 30 2008 10:49 GMT
#31
On August 30 2008 10:42 travis wrote:
hey plexa you're awesome but your post was more retrospection than introspection
Well, the *goal* of the post was to justify to myself why i am a fan of pusan despite the fact he's sucked for about 2 years now. That required introspection on my part, while the rest is, as you pointed out, retrospection
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2008 04:21 GMT
#32
fair enough haha
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